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Al Borland Corp. posted:Why would he be on thin ice with them? He just delivered them two Krill vessels, saved a colony from extinction, and has a Krill count of four cruisers at this point while having successfully completed all his missions and discovered a space ark. That's nothing. The Olympia in the same time frame destroyed thirteen Krill vessels, Discovered three O'Neill cylinders, revived a group of Native Americans who were kidnapped by aliens and frozen in a comet, discovered a new element, and went back to the year 1908 to almost completely stop a time-travelling Krill superweapon from destroying the earth.
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Lister posted:I didn't like the episode overall since the social media criticism is kind of played at at this point. I did like that it was a satire of outrage culture. Don't forget that this statue humping controversy, actually happened. Now see, I heard left wing people saying this episode explored the evils of nationalism. The statue was a settler, not a civil rights icon. Its like some kind of perfect super position of social commentary. Anyone can see it and think its talking to them.
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Oct 27, 2017 20:10
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Zoro posted:Some of that is inevitable though. If you did that in a small town before social media, it would not be shocking if everyone treated you like an rear end in a top hat. Being fired is very possible. What social media did is expand upon a natural human social policing drive that picks out behaviors disliked by the community and ostracizes the offender until the individual either change the behavior or accepts permit ostracisation. This is a natural human response but it's normally limited to the local community. Social media made it global and made it to the anyone is now acceptable to the Natural Human ostracization Social policing Drive of any community no matter where they are. Yeah, it's basically one of the unforeseen consequences of everyone being able to instantly communicate with each other. Our little chimpanzee brains aren't really equipped to handle it. Or handle huge social groups of more than about 150 people or so. If you want to think of something really nightmarish, imagine a society where all your thoughts are uploaded to twitter. A lot of twitter users pretty much do that anyway. I think eventually the culture of outrage spawned by the Internet has to reach a breaking point, because no one is perfect and there comes a point where there isn't anyone left who hasn't done something stupid or horrible. Maybe the real problem is that we have a voluntary destruction of privacy. And we do it for attention and validation. The only way to win the game is to not play at all.
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moldovan scullery posted:like how were his appearances on The View and Leno not taking his situation seriously, I don't get this way of seeing it Because on the first show, he went out there and didn't even answer their question. He just said "Wow, I sure do feel bad about that thing you're mad about *winks into camera*" How hard would it be to realize that people were offended by what he did and say "I'm not from around here, I didn't realize what I was doing was offensive. I understand now, and hope you can forgive me." He never once realizes that he's in an alien civilization who have different values from him. Then when the guy asks if he has any kind of talents that would endear him to the audience, he blows it off and says "LOL I can drink a lot!" Then his idea of getting people to like him is to run out like he's on a game show. The publicity officer had bad advice, but Lamarr didn't even follow that very well. At least Alara got in trouble for wearing a hat from someone's culture, she tried explain herself instead of telling the guy to gently caress off because she can do whatever she wants.
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Oct 27, 2017 20:52
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This was like a Black Mirror episode but somehow actually entertaining. I do like San Junipero alright!
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Of course that was only after the initial science team and a member of her own landing party were downvoted into prison. She might have punched that guy into orbit if there weren't a bunch of people with trapezoidal cell phones all around her.
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Gammatron 64 posted:The only way to win the game is to not play at all. That's why I killed all my social media accounts. Paid shills and trolls, obtrusive ads, algorithmic hucksters, gently caress all of that. Hope Lowtax and CCP doesn't close down SA and Eve, respectively, or I'll never have a use for the internet ever again.
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Oct 27, 2017 21:21
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mycomancy posted:That's why I killed all my social media accounts. Paid shills and trolls, obtrusive ads, algorithmic hucksters, gently caress all of that. There will still be porn
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So after spending the night discussing this episode with my friends Jim Beam and Mary Jane, my thoughts are: First, the setup they have is very shaky. Isaac easily floods the main feed with fake images, which no one questions; plus, literally the first person they meet has hacked badges for sale. The obvious corollary is that the system is very prone to manipulation. And, since this is a capitalist society, it follows that big companies do manipulate it. Release a new brand of margarine, hire college students for $9/hr to upvote and write positive reviews, rake in money. Companies do this IRL, and no one even cares when they get caught. Second, the social media system seems all about punishment. One gets shunned at 500K downvotes, arrested at 1 million, and corrected at 10 million... but upvotes do nothing. Of course they must have some effect somewhere, because people are willing to pay money for fake upvotes, but I get the feeling it's just dick-waving. Mash this together and you get a brainwashed, consumer-driven culture where values are designed by corporate committee and dissidents are vanished.
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Oct 27, 2017 21:25
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Gynovore posted:So after spending the night discussing this episode with my friends Jim Beam and Mary Jane, my thoughts are: So basically 21st century earth?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:There will still be porn Excellent point, I stand corrected. Shame if the whole thing is just used to replace tattered magazines found in the woods.
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Baronjutter posted:So basically 21st century earth? We're only halfway there, but the train is rolling downhill and the brakes are out.
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Oct 27, 2017 21:41
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Gynovore posted:So after spending the night discussing this episode with my friends Jim Beam and Mary Jane, my thoughts are: yes, i found the uselessness of upvotes to be odd; would you be arrested at 1 million downvotes if you had 50 million upvotes? how does a famous musician survive a bad album, or an actor a bad movie? an upvote-downvote balance system could have been a lot more interesting, maybe on a somewhat related note, i wonder how close alara was to being arrested
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Oct 27, 2017 22:17
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Community did it better where the higher your ranking was the more weight your votes had, which led to an upper elite of people with high scores forming since they controlled the bulk of the social capital in the society.
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Zoro posted:Some of that is inevitable though. If you did that in a small town before social media, it would not be shocking if everyone treated you like an rear end in a top hat. Being fired is very possible. What social media did is expand upon a natural human social policing drive that picks out behaviors disliked by the community and ostracizes the offender until the individual either change the behavior or accepts permit ostracisation. This is a natural human response but it's normally limited to the local community. Social media made it global and made it to the anyone is now acceptable to the Natural Human ostracization Social policing Drive of any community no matter where they are. Why do you think fandoms don't have social policing?
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so i had an awful idea and checked back in the episode to see whether i was right the surviving researcher still has a badge after being corrected. corrected people can still vote
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Jazerus posted:yes, i found the uselessness of upvotes to be odd; would you be arrested at 1 million downvotes if you had 50 million upvotes? how does a famous musician survive a bad album, or an actor a bad movie? an upvote-downvote balance system could have been a lot more interesting, maybe Like she couldn’t just rip off handcuffs and punch a hole in anyone trying to arrest her.
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Oct 27, 2017 22:32
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Yeah, but she can still get shot a bunch
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TheDon01 posted:Yeah, but she can still get shot a bunch I don't think bullets would harm her. Shes basically Kid Goku level.
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Rutibex posted:I don't think bullets would harm her. Shes basically Kid Goku level. She literally got shot a few episodes ago (remember the turtle-shaped world ship?), and the bullets did indeed harm her.
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calling it now: they end up going back and gordon's familiarity with 21st century memes accidentally makes him the person with the most upvotes, resulting in him becoming de facto president of social media planet society
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Oct 27, 2017 23:17
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Rutibex posted:I can tell this show is brilliant, because I have seen both left and right wing culture warriors claim this episode is designed to appeal specifically to them.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:There will still be porn How does porn work in upvote downvote land, huh??!
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How come the prison guards don't have more downvotes? Also, I was expecting 4 of the guards to downvote John while he was sitting in the chair.
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I thought it was only an okay episode overall. Still fun, but certainly not their greatest. It was good that LaMarr got center stage for a change, even if all of his character beats pretty much just double down on what we already know about him. And I agree with whoever first said it feels exactly like a lost Sliders episode. Three-quarters of the script could be a find-replace of the character names Quinn, Wade, Rembrandt and Arturo. Random thought: did anyone else think that Lysella (the guest star barista girl) looks a bit like a younger Commander Grayson? Something about the eyes. I mean, they aren't spitting images but if you told me the actresses were related in real life, I'd believe you. Ratings this week are up a bit: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/the-orville-ratings-fox-1202600964/
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Kazy posted:How come the prison guards don't have more downvotes? In other words, don't analyze it too much and just sit back and enjoy the silly show. Now that I'm caught up, I can see both sides of the "John acted too dumb" argument. Admittedly, I wanted him to act smarter than he did. Even a lovely college bro in North Korea acted with more empathy than John did on his apology tour. However, what came back to bite me and realize I was wrong to expect this is the fact that this whole loving show subverts expectations. I've posted about this before but almost every time you expect as specific trope or plot change or character growth, something else happens to subvert that expectation. I say "almost every time" because let's face it, I'm sure most of us guessed they were going to hack the vote somehow. Anyway, this is just another case of expectations being wrong and the way to push that forward was by having John just act unnaturally aloof, offended, and spaceman-elitist. Part of this is the fact that we really don't have any character development for him and his doing this perhaps is supposed to make us find him more unlikable. We're all too used to serial television so we're guessing that this will come back to bite him in a later episode but also help grow his character... but this show is barely serial at all and, with the massive editing it undergoes, I actually wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't get resolved this season. Or even ever... This just might be his character, period. It's curious and makes me really wonder where the rest of this show goes. BTW at the very end when it's showing the count-up to 10 million and it's all slow and musical, I was rolling my eyes so hard at the over-dramatic editing. They didn't even show the right countdown! It came down to if he would have 10 million before "the final vote" was over but there was zero designation as to what that even meant. It was just "...welp, it stopped with 4 votes left to go out of the entire planet and yeah, that probably won't go any higher in the next 30 seconds so you're free to go!" So, yeah, let's just go back to not trying to analyze this poo poo. :P Edit: More thoughts. After the opening scene when it got to the title roll I said to my friend as sarcastically as possible "Welcome to this super optimistic space show!" Like, holy poo poo that opening was unexpected. Eventually I just kept saying over and over "okay so basically this is just an episode of Black Mirror, got it." After which my friend started saying "so basically this is just an episode of Sliders, got it." DaveKap fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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So that was another fantastic episode. "I can sing".
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The whole system wasn't fleshed out very well. If you ever get more than 10 million do you get brain melted? Or does it just have to be over 10 million during that voting period? Maybe you can only vote for someone remotely while in that voting period. Maybe after you get found not guilty, you get reset to a lower number, maybe all the remote votes are removed. Maybe when you get corrected you get reset back to zero and you just wander around with a melted brain. This is probably more thought than Seth put into it.
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I doubt you can be that downvoted and not be in the public spotlight in some way. Also, I really wanted to hear Bortus sing. I hope we get that in a future episode.
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Bozart posted:How does porn work in upvote downvote land, huh??! 
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The crew keeps referencing and watching 20th century Earth culture, but they don't know about the concept of money? The researchers have been sending reports to the Union, but the Orville seemed to have no idea on this whole voting thing? Like they got usual clothing choices, but not the most fundamental parts of their society?
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xerxus posted:The crew keeps referencing and watching 20th century Earth culture, but they don't know about the concept of money? alara doesn't understand money. the humans do
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Kazy posted:How come the prison guards don't have more downvotes? They probably already had
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Last night's episode was good, but it was less good than some of the other episodes. I think one of the problems I had was that the voting system, as described, was a little too much tell-not-show and invited all the, "Wait, how does that work?" questions people have been having. Like, they had the cold open, where the guys get downvoted into oblivion, but later have the public defender take several minutes to explain everything we saw already. I think the concept might have been more intriguing had they removed some of the exposition. I liked the clothes with the double lapels and quadruple-knotted ties! And how the stuff they replicated on the ship didn't have that, maybe because the intel report missed it.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:They probably already had In a just world after the eat my rear end comment they'd have all walked up to hit his down arrow and then he comically bolts away from them
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Cojawfee posted:The whole system wasn't fleshed out very well. If you ever get more than 10 million do you get brain melted? Or does it just have to be over 10 million during that voting period? Maybe you can only vote for someone remotely while in that voting period. Maybe after you get found not guilty, you get reset to a lower number, maybe all the remote votes are removed. Maybe when you get corrected you get reset back to zero and you just wander around with a melted brain. This is probably more thought than Seth put into it. It's possible to get your downvotes reduced or something, since that's what the apology tour (supposedly) is supposed to enable.
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I think the episode needed to show the perks of having upvotes, kind of like the Black Mirror episode did. Show the upper class living that's only accessible to people with over 1 million upvotes, or better yet, show someone who gets away without being corrected for having over 10 million downvotes because they have 100 million upvotes (like the example someone said of a famous artist who had a bad album). Also, I think if you're posting here going "Wow, it's just like our modern world!!" then you need to take social media waaaaaaay less seriously. Yes, China has that system or whatever, but here in America nothing actually matters if you get downvoted online.
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Episode was good, Orville is good. Spelling is unrealistically good. The Human Crouton posted:The middle road they took WampaLord posted:Also, I think if you're posting here going "Wow, it's just like our modern world!!" then you need to take social media waaaaaaay less seriously. Yes, China has that system or whatever, but here in America nothing actually matters if you get downvoted online.
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