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Okay so I updated to Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (1709 / Redstone 3) this afternoon and now I have two new entries in the "Optimize Drives" window, any idea what these are? Recovery & that weird \\?\Volume.... are new, any ideas? Nothing shows in the Disk Management window either... 
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Going to hack you now that you revealed your GUID. Actually I have no idea what they're for and they've also been with my computers as long as I can remember. I don't think they're a problem though.
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Oct 18, 2017 01:18
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Im_Special posted:Okay so I updated to Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (1709 / Redstone 3) this afternoon and now I have two new entries in the "Optimize Drives" window, any idea what these are? Recovery & that weird \\?\Volume.... are new, any ideas? The random number is made with enough bits that there are more possibilities than atoms in the observable universe, therefore guaranteeing that its universally unique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier#Format peepsalot fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Oct 24, 2017 22:51
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Potato Salad posted:Manual trim doesn't wear the drive out, though. Good controllers (those recommended) just let data sit waiting to be overwritten. Sorry, but good controllers do not, in fact, do that. With spinning disk, a write operation and an overwrite operation take exactly the same amount of time. With solid state storage, a write operation and an overwrite operation take wildly different amounts of time, with overwrite being orders of magnitude slower. Long ago, when there was only spinning disk, file system developers realized they could save a lot of time if instead of going out and removing a file from disk when it was deleted, they could instead just mark that file as deleted in the file allocation table ( FAT ). Then, when a new file needed that space, the file system could destroy the old file and write the new file at the same moment, taking no extra time. ( undelete tools and data recovery tools rely on this ‘lazy delete’ approach when looking for data to recover. ). This type of file system in called a ‘lazy’ file system. Solid state storage needs to prepare a block to accept new data, and if it is not given time to do this, has to stop a write operation to prepare a block to be written, then complete the write. With a lazy file system, the storage controller on the drive itself had to maintain tables of allocated data and keep track of what was still valid, what was possibly not valid, and what it knew for sure wasn’t valid, and spend time cleaning up after the lazy file system ( garbage collection ). With a more modern filesystem, it’s possible to tell the drive exactly what blocks are part of a file that has been deleted ( TRIM command ), so they can be emptied and prepared for new data. The storage controller still waits until there is some idle time to do this, but it does so much more efficiently when it does occur.
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Oct 25, 2017 04:58
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I once entertained the idea of a thunderbolt dock for my 850EVO which was redonks expensive, and now I think are not made anymore (Seagate GoFlex or similar). I'd like to know if there's anything like an external thunderbolt housing that doesn't cost more than the drive did. All my research points to 'yes you can, but no it's expensive'. Any quick slap downs are underappreciated, i know I'm lazy.
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Oct 26, 2017 14:15
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There are none that are cheap. I think there were a bunch of GoFlex adapters cheap back in 2011 or so, I regret not picking a handful of those up.
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Oct 26, 2017 14:40
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Bob Morales posted:There are none that are cheap. I think there were a bunch of GoFlex adapters cheap back in 2011 or so, I regret not picking a handful of those up. Agreed, I guess they were more expensive than getting off your arse and installing that drive properly. Which in an iMac sux balls.
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Oct 26, 2017 14:45
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I've always trusted WD. Are their SSDs any good?
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Oct 26, 2017 16:08
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codo27 posted:I've always trusted WD. Are their SSDs any good?
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Oct 26, 2017 16:11
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Optane 900p reviews have dropped  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-optane-ssd-900p-3d-xpoint,5292.html https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review quote:To coincide with the launch, Intel will show off the drive for the first time at CitizenCon, a community gathering of Roberts Space Industries' Star Citizen players. As part of the partnership, the Optane SSD 900P will ship with a download code for an exclusive in-game Sabre Raven ship that has unique in-game capabilities. As you might have guessed, the Sabre Raven's specialty has to do with it's over the top speed. 
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Oct 27, 2017 16:15
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I didn't have a lot of faith in Optane, but working with Roberts Space Industries has really boosted my confidence in their technology.
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Oct 27, 2017 16:25
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It looks like a really solid product. I hope low queue depth becomes the thing now for ssds - way more interesting.
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Oct 27, 2017 20:14
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So it has ~40% more IOPS than A 960 EVO NVMe, ~5% more sequential write, and ~22% *less* sequential read speed. Seems like you could get two EVOs for the price and outperform it.
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Oct 28, 2017 01:08
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https://www.asus.com/Motherboard-Accessory/HYPER-M-2-X16-CARD/ is a cool thing that exists.
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Oct 28, 2017 01:46
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wargames posted:https://www.asus.com/Motherboard-Accessory/HYPER-M-2-X16-CARD/ I'd take Optane over that. Maybe.
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Oct 28, 2017 01:51
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wargames posted:https://www.asus.com/Motherboard-Accessory/HYPER-M-2-X16-CARD/ Isn't this the one that has limited usage, since it lacks its own PLX chip to split the lanes? Might be a Skylake-X only thing. The talk of unused CPU lanes would support this. There do exist other such devices with their own PLX, and seem to work generally.
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Oct 28, 2017 02:27
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xPanda posted:Isn't this the one that has limited usage, since it lacks its own PLX chip to split the lanes? Might be a Skylake-X only thing. The talk of unused CPU lanes would support this. Some motherboards bifurcate the x16 into different options including x4x4x4x4, ASRock Rack and presumably asus server/workstation boards support this as well. I’ve seen it as far back as broadwell e3/e5 mobos for sure.
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Oct 28, 2017 02:45
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peepsalot posted:So it has ~40% more IOPS than A 960 EVO NVMe, ~5% more sequential write, and ~22% *less* sequential read speed. Seems like you could get two EVOs for the price and outperform it. If all you are care about is sequential I/O at high queue depths then sure
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Oct 28, 2017 05:58
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WhyteRyce posted:at high queue depths then sure
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Oct 31, 2017 00:26
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Which is a workload that doesn't really make sense for Optane anyway. I get the impression that Intel's kinda broken most of the tech media's benchmarks, and the writers just haven't figured it out yet. One reviewer complained it made benchmarking drives not fun because Optane performance doesn't crater under the same workload/patterns like NAND. Will probably take some time before consumers just automatically look at peak bandwidth numbers only and get confused at price discrepancy.
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Oct 31, 2017 01:48
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I imagine we'll need to see the same shift in benchmarking toward 99th+ percentile latency type testing that happened with GPUs applied to SSDs. Average latency/IOPs is becoming less meaningful when consistency is what NAND is bad at. Optane crushes NAND in these sorts of tests, but the benchmarks are bad at expressing that information right now.
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Oct 31, 2017 01:52
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The new epeen will be how many nines you rate your QoS with
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So uh how do you cool your m.2 drives? I have a 500gb 960 evo on Asus maximus x hero, in the 1st m.2 slot between gpu and cpu. That doesn't seem to be a good place, temps are over 40 while idling and 60C while gaming. Would the 2nd m.2 slot be better near the sata ports? It's clear of heat-producing components at least. Or do you use an pcie 4x adapter card like https://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3399 ? I have some extra gpu ram heatsinks I could slap onto the m.2 drive then. The only problem with that adapter is that the pci slot cover is non-perforated. They have a more expensive "evo" model with honeycomb perforations and some included heatsinks, but the included heatsinks looked like big crap pieces of metal which don't have that much surface area.
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Nov 6, 2017 08:06
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Just a fan blowing at it should be enough. I just have a lot of case airflow and mine only gets to the 50s while stress testing it without any specific cooling. It's only like 5 watts, you barely need to cool it at all.
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Nov 6, 2017 12:26
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Ihmemies posted:So uh how do you cool your m.2 drives? I have a 500gb 960 evo on Asus maximus x hero, in the 1st m.2 slot between gpu and cpu. That doesn't seem to be a good place, temps are over 40 while idling and 60C while gaming. You don't worry about it because those temperatures are not an issue.
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Nov 6, 2017 16:44
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It does start throttling at some point. I don't know if it's 60s or higher though. 60C while under a light gaming load might be enough to push it to throttling temperatures under a stressful load. As long as you're not trying to do a passive build though case airflow should handle it no problem.
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I have a Samsung 500 GB 960 EVO in my 13-inch Late 2013 rMBP, it never gets super hot according to smartmontools, think the highest its ever gotten was 56C after backing up the entire boot drive to a USB 3.0 HD. Normal temps range from 37º to 41º C. And there is an airflow in the rMBP, though it's not going to be super high due to the single fan.. Samsung's specs say the operating temperature range for the 960 is 0º C to 70º C, so throttling around 60º makes sense.. Since space is pretty tight in the rMBP, I just have a thick thermal pad right on the SSD's RAM chips that contacts the bottom case, whose job it is to radiate heat away anyway. The 56º max I mentioned is with the thermal pad in place, never got a chance to measure without it. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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So because I'm a digital cluttercollector, I'm thinking of upgrading to a 2TB SSD - my current one is a Samsung 840 Evo. Looking at some reviews the MX300 seems to be a good sweetspot for price on larger drives and it's recommended here as well. My board supports M2 over PCIe x2, but I didn't see much in the way of options that weren't insane. Does the MX300 seem like a good idea - and should I wait for Black Friday/etc just in case there's a price drop?
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Falcon2001 posted:So because I'm a digital cluttercollector, I'm thinking of upgrading to a 2TB SSD - my current one is a Samsung 840 Evo. Looking at some reviews the MX300 seems to be a good sweetspot for price on larger drives and it's recommended here as well. My board supports M2 over PCIe x2, but I didn't see much in the way of options that weren't insane. Black Friday often has good deals on SSDs although they're not always the ones you're shopping for. The MX300 is okay, I have one from last black friday that's been chugging along with no problems.
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Nov 7, 2017 17:46
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If you're using m.2 nvme hard enough that thermal throttling is an issue, you need to be using the HHHL cards.
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Potato Salad posted:If you're using m.2 nvme hard enough that thermal throttling is an issue, you need to be using the HHHL cards. The "temps are over 40 while idling and 60C while gaming" means this guy's issue is all about overall system heat, not the SSD itself. Games just don't have an intense continual workload by SSD standards. Either it's got level loads and there's plenty of idle time between the bursts or heavy reads, or open-world type games where data is being streamed into memory all the time but at a fairly sedate pace (relative to its capability) mostly. For Ihmemies my main question is what type of CPU heatsink he's using. If it's a stock intel or another type that blows downward onto the mobo, that's where I'd put most of the blame because the M2 slot location is getting hot air blasted directly onto it. Just moving it to the other slot location will probably solve your problem. In the hypothetical case where there wasn't another M2 slot, or you had 2 drives and wanted to use both: I'd also experiment with leaving that "heatshield" (aka advertising placard) that sits on that M2 slot off. I'm often skeptical on a lot of that type of performance-bling -- most of them have think squishy heat pads cause they have to fit any possible SSD. I think depending on the case layout etc, it's not hard to do better just leaving the SSD exposed to airflow.
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Nov 7, 2017 21:58
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Yeah the obvious caveats of an unhealthy system apply, make sure there isn't dead air space or even counterproductive airflow. My point was that a home and gaming user isn't going to run an nvme m.2 device into throttling issues. If you have throttling issues and you aren't doing true professional workstation activity like sustained 4K video editing, storage throughout isn't the cause of your heat problem.
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Nov 7, 2017 23:29
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The case is Silverstone Raven 2, with 90 degrees rotated motherboard and three 180mm fans on bottom, regular tower cooler blowing towards top of the case. I'll try moving that ssd first.. but I need to remove cpu cooler for that. So I'll wait till my delidding tools come so I don't need to remove the cooler twice -,-
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So, I'm looking at buying a SSD, and my use case is that I want Windows 10 to boot faster, for my games to load up faster, and since I'm starting to get into gameplay recording, I want to not have my system killed every time I press the "dump X minutes of already recorded gameplay" on Shadowplay. I also should note that my mobo is an Intel 1155P DH67BL, which is 5 years old at this point. Potato Salad posted:Consumer SATA Since this post was edited almost exactly a year ago, I'm curious if these models are still good choices. Also, I just want to be sure: Is this the same model as the Crucial that's on the Recommended slot?
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The 2.5" SATAN III space hasn't changed much, the only big changes in the last year would just be additions to the Goon Approved (TM) nvme list. Most vendors selling nvme right now seem to be getting it done competently so far. That looks like the right crucial drive, but why can't I find a model number on that page.... Edit: yep, mx300. That's the one. Awful price though. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 13:35
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Nice, thank you! 
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Potato Salad posted:Edit: yep, mx300. That's the one. Awful price though. I was going to say that with Amazon shipping it's going to be the almost the same price, but apparently it's free shipping on Amazon.  And it's still around BRL 300 cheaper on Amazon with the import tax, so... Space Kablooey fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 13:56
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Potato Salad posted:The 2.5" SATAN III... 
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Anyone get an Intel 900p yet? Getting some of those and a couple of the x8 HGST SN260s for system testing, curious to see how they go. SN260 gets 6.2 GB/s reads apparently 
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priznat posted:Anyone get an Intel 900p yet? Getting some of those and a couple of the x8 HGST SN260s for system testing, curious to see how they go. Yeah. I picked up a 480gb 900p Drive is stellar. I do a lot of VMs and development work and it is goddamn great. Raw read-only/write-only throughput is on par with NVMe but in mixed workloads it shines
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