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Rocksicles posted:$118 dollarydoos for 2 shirts, gently caress that. Yeah I don't want one that bad.
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This wont be a real Star Trek show for me until Jeff Combs shows up.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:09
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underage at the vape shop posted:the after trek poo poo plays automatically within milliseconds of the credits starting, it might not be available in your country for some reason I’m well jealous of people who dont have to scramble to stop After Trek from playing at the end of each Disco ep.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:15
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Unconventional choice to make the end credits a picture of Matt Mira, but I support their fresh approach.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:17
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marktheando posted:I’m well jealous of people who dont have to scramble to stop After Trek from playing at the end of each Disco ep. Yes, seriously. Who would ever want to watch that rubbish, especially in 4 seconds.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:37
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My friend hated that episode and thought it was the worst one yet, he thought the time loop was lazy and unoriginal and didn’t like the romance at all. I on the other hand enjoyed it a lot, love a good time loop even if I have seen it perhaps dozens of times before between Doctor Who and Star Trek. It’s a classic sci fi plot device for a reason. Good character work too. And I enjoyed the Clem Fandango/Michael romance. Also good to see that Starfleet security is still awful. But at least losing the ship to Mudd is less embarrassing than losing the Enterprise to Wesley or a couple of Ferengi.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:40
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I can't believe you guys are liking this episode. A time loop episode is like season 5 filler material, to have one in the first season is a really bad sign.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:45
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It's a sci-fi staple for a reason.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:52
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Biomute posted:I can't believe you guys are liking this episode. A time loop episode is like season 5 filler material, to have one in the first season is a really bad sign.  This episode at least tried to be Trek and not just a generic dark war SciFi wearing a starfleet badge. Timeloops and other crazy poo poo like that are half of what makes Trek Trek. The other half is philosophical and they sort of dropped the ball on that one with Mudd just going free but that still puts this as the top episode so far as far as Being Trek.
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Oct 31, 2017 15:52
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Also the rich dude at the end wearing a 23rd century version of The Penguin's outfit was pretty fuckin' TOS-like.
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The Bloop posted:
All the shows do these episodes. They're so tired and done that the best example is the SG-1 episode making fun of them. If being high-concept is the only qualifyer for being Trekky you might be right, but it is far from the top episode as far as being good. (that's episode 3)
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The Bloop posted:
That ending was TOS as gently caress. But yeah, there was a weird dissonance between that "oh you scamp!" ending and the fact he committed probably over a hundred murders through his time loops. But really the problem is the Mudd character they are presenting. In both appearances he's had way more of a sociopath edge and less of a goofy shenanigans thing going
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Oct 31, 2017 16:13
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Honestly, it's better if they just double down on the body horror grimdark. They are not going to do the philosophical TNG stuff so randomly dropping in camp Trekky tropes is going to end with a weird Stargate Universe-esque hybrid.
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Biomute posted:Honestly, it's better if they just double down on the body horror grimdark. They are not going to do the philosophical TNG stuff so randomly dropping in camp Trekky tropes is going to end with a weird Stargate Universe-esque hybrid. I disagree. During DS9's heaviest war arcs, they still tossed in silly episodes like "In the Cards" "The Magnificent Ferengi", "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", "Badda Bing Badda Bang" etc. It's fully possible to do fun, campy episodes in between the more serious ones.
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Drone posted:Also the rich dude at the end wearing a 23rd century version of The Penguin's outfit was pretty fuckin' TOS-like. I probably should have brought that up because that was some kick-rear end "This is future clothes right?" wardrobe. I liked so much about this episode but then I remember Mudd took the time to indulge in some personal torture-snuff porn with Lorca in between various random redshirt murders ranging from knives to phasers to what is apparently the most painful way to die ever and its just turns my brain into [???.jpg] I don't know if that's something to do with the previous Discovery episodes or it's that they insisted on using Mudd or maybe this is my own personal "That wasn't START TRUCKS!" moment.
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Oct 31, 2017 16:59
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Thought the episode was mostly ok, but hoo boy did that ending leave a bad taste in my mouth. The last loop certainly had alot of things to do in the small 30 minute window, including convincing Michael and all the bridge crew, setting up the ambush, contacting Stella / her father, etc... Of course I can suspend my disbelief for that given its a trope of Groundhog Day stories... Personally, I think trying to overtly reference orignal Star Trek in this way is a mistake. I have no idea who Mudd was in the original series and thought he was an original character. Both his introduction, Rains performance and his actions in this series have made for a simultaneously interesting, fun and creepy character. But because he's a TOS character that must appear again, they had to do some wierd reset where everything wraps up. So his 'punishment' for commandeering a starship and murdering it's crew is going back to his loving wife and rich father in law to serve his time in slight discomfort. It was a weird Scooby Doo ending that only served the purpose of setting the base for a completely tonally different telelvision series from the 60s with no real relevance to the plot established here. It was just so tonally weird compared to the rest of this show which has commonly featured the crew doing extremely lovely things in the name of war, science and the Federation. They should have made him an original character. Isometric Bacon fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Oct 31, 2017 19:00
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hiddenriverninja posted:I'd love to see a time travel case get argued in space court. Mr Mudd, please can you tell the Court where you were on the nights of the 8th July, the 8th July, the 8th July and the 8th July?
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Oct 31, 2017 19:06
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Why did the call for Burnham and Tyler to come to the bridge come so much later in the loop where they dance? It came within seconds in other loops.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:07
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It was easier to write that way.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:08
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blastron posted:Why did the call for Burnham and Tyler to come to the bridge come so much later in the loop where they dance? It came within seconds in other loops. Chaos. Their dance set into motion a current of air which worked its way through the vents and tickled Saru's nose and he did the most disgusting sneeze, so they all had a laugh and then got back to work. This is a deleted scene.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:15
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Mr Mudd, please can you tell the Court where you were on the nights of the 8th July, the 8th July, the 8th July and the 8th July? So does it count as one temporal violation or is Mudd challenging Kirk for the record?
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marktheando posted:I’m well jealous of people who dont have to scramble to stop After Trek from playing at the end of each Disco ep. Oh my god. I binge watched this series late so up until last couple of episode I never had it auto play. I generally love behind the scenes cast and crew stuff but I couldn't stand how obnoxious that host, the format of the show and his questions were. When the hell did this after show concept become a thing? You barely get two seconds to come down from the ending into the moody atmospheric title sequence before the screen is rudely hijacked by a picture of that entirely too loud and and jolly host with his poo poo eating grin watching you have a heart attack as you frantically feel around for the remote whilst the doomsday clock counts down above you. I hope Netflix doesn't make these things auto play for all their series. I noticed Stranger Things did a similar thing, but thankfully at the end of the series rather than every episode. I guess it's cheaper / more popular to have a roundtable discussion with actors than a more traditional behind the scenes featurette.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:22
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blastron posted:Why did the call for Burnham and Tyler to come to the bridge come so much later in the loop where they dance? It came within seconds in other loops. I had the same question, but I imagine it's handwaved away easily by "we didn't see the VERY beginning of the loop before"
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It is cheap and doubles the content available. I personally hate post-show crap, but don't expect it to go away any time soon.
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In the temporal justice system, the people of the Federation are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the Department of Temporal Investigations, who investigate crimes against the timeline and the Federation Space Attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories. STAR TREK: TEMPORAL CRIMES UNIT get on it CBS
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Star Trek: Time Scene Investigation
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Oct 31, 2017 19:43
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Let's say you're trapped in a time loop just like this episode, and you need to give Stamets a piece of information, to convince you in the next loop that something is up. Would you tell him: a) Something trivial but still known to no one else. e.g. "My old forums password before I changed it last week was TerribleSecretOfSpace1701." b) Something specific from your own daydreams, which hits you on a slightly deeper level than an old password. e.g. "When I was little, the name of my imaginary pet brontosaurus was Snurfles." c) Something incredibly vague, which (let's be honest) most people who know you could probably guess on their own, and which might even be taken as an insult when it's told back to you cold in the next loop. e.g. "I've never been in love."
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S01E01: "Laws and Effect"
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Powered Descent posted:Let's say you're trapped in a time loop just like this episode, and you need to give Stamets a piece of information, to convince you in the next loop that something is up. Would you tell him: It's almost like we're watching a fictional TV show.
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Powered Descent posted:Let's say you're trapped in a time loop just like this episode, and you need to give Stamets a piece of information, to convince you in the next loop that something is up. Would you tell him: Hahaha this is the nitpickiest bullshit. He specifically asks her during a time she is THINKING ROMANTICALLY about someone, possibly for the first time ever. You're right, why didn't she use something more satisfying to you like the name of her imaginary brontosaurus
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Oct 31, 2017 19:58
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Also she knows thr time loop keeps going back to the party when she's thinking about the dude, having Stamets show up with relevant information would be highly unconvincing compared to what she ate for breakfast last tuesday
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Oct 31, 2017 19:59
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Drone posted:It's almost like we're watching a fictional TV show. In that case when he asks for a secret I would pull a vuvuzela out of my pants and toot a complete five course dinner of space whale and tribbles onto the deck then slap him across the face and loudly recite the preamble to the constitution. Or Maybe Shows can be written so they make some drat sense. Don't get me wrong, I can absolutely enjoy candy media without caring about stuff like that, but it is a completely valid complaint none the less.
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Michael Burnham seems like a very open person, her telling someone that she's never been in love seems like a thing she just runs around telling everyone. And the way she reacted when he said it to her, like she'd been emotionally struck? What bullshit. loving goons lol
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Powered Descent posted:Let's say you're trapped in a time loop just like this episode, and you need to give Stamets a piece of information, to convince you in the next loop that something is up. Would you tell him: Stamets and Michael did something less than optimal. Ok, they had a ton of other things to deal with, and in the end, it worked out fine. How about you complain about the space whale not looking like it can sustain a vacuum? What does the space whale even eat? How does it find mates? Why does Saru gently caress up the fish thing, it's not like the space whale is a mammal?  
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Isometric Bacon posted:But because he's a TOS character that must appear again, they had to do some wierd reset where everything wraps up. So his 'punishment' for commandeering a starship and murdering it's crew is going back to his loving wife and rich father in law to serve his time in slight discomfort. It was a weird Scooby Doo ending that only served the purpose of setting the base for a completely tonally different telelvision series from the 60s with no real relevance to the plot established here. A lot of people have been calling Mudd's TOS account of Stella another one of his lies, but the new one honestly left the impression of being a huge controlling bitch behind closed doors. Her facial expressions at least told me that. She's obviously not going to do it in front of daddy or the Starfleet folks but I have no doubt she's reaming him out when they get home. Usually crazy attracts crazy.
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Cingulate posted:Tactical realism complaints are boring complaints. It's not even suboptimal though? If you knew that you needed to convince you from 30 minutes ago that future you endorses some plan, would you go with some obscure dumb fact or something you knew you were deeply contemplating 30 minutes ago? It becomes less "well that's dumb, he could have asked my childhood friend" to "this guy is a mindreader" Also re: Mudd I am pretty sure he has 3 more appearances listed this season
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Shamelessly stolen:quote:The Hatter character, alongside all the other fictional beings, first appears in Lewis Carroll's 1865 novel Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. In it, the Hatter explains to Alice that he and the March Hare are always having tea because when he tried to sing for the foul-tempered Queen of Hearts, she sentenced him to death for "murdering the time", but he escapes decapitation. In retaliation, time (referred to as a "he" in the novel) halts himself in respect to the Hatter, keeping him and the March Hare stuck at 18:00 (or 6:00 pm) forever.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:It's not even suboptimal though? If you knew that you needed to convince you from 30 minutes ago that future you endorses some plan, would you go with some obscure dumb fact or something you knew you were deeply contemplating 30 minutes ago? It becomes less "well that's dumb, he could have asked my childhood friend" to "this guy is a mindreader" Sure, "I've never been in love" is a dumb clue, and I didn't like what I heard Stamet say, but I love how they played it. Michael used her single facial expression to to great effect to communicate how idiotic what he just did was. That was a good scene. I liked plenty of the subversions of the time travel genre they played here, e.g., every time anyone complained about having to explain something way too often. That's what matters: the writers were even more aware of how dumb the clue was by adding Stamets' inability to deliver it well on top of it, and made a funny scene out of it. Also re: Mudd, dare I say, that's good to hear? He was great this episode. Cingulate fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Regards: the 'never been in love' thing, I think it was mostly egregious due to the fact Michael had to whisper it, like it was some deep dark secret from her past that we were expecting some payoff to. Her actual response and subsequent reaction was surprising given it would probably be obvious to anyone who had spent more than 5 minutes with the wannabe Vulcan. It made sense to thematically tie in the party and her relationship with Clem Fandango, just again was another odd example of this show being inconsistent to serve the plot. You can probably just attribute it to Michael being a clueless idiot when it comes to interpersonal relationships.
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blastron posted:Why did the call for Burnham and Tyler to come to the bridge come so much later in the loop where they dance? It came within seconds in other loops. Every time it was a bit different when they got called to the bridge. They said different stuff and etc even before Stamets came into it. That fitted okay to me.
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