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Athas posted:Okay, I'm sorry if I violated some kind of ideological purity of window management. I just know it was faster and easier to move focus between windows in xmonad than it is in GNOME, in particular when I have large numbers of windows and multiple monitors. Yeah I use xmonad at work and this is its main strength imo. Especially compared to gnome 2, the other "sane" option in centos 6, which doesn't even let you snap windows to fill half the screen and treats both monitors as a single virtual desktop
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Shaggar posted:tiling may be my favorite greybeard poo poo. its a concession that a GUI is superior to a command line, while retaining command line usability and efficiency problems. 
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Athas posted:Okay, I'm sorry if I violated some kind of ideological purity of window management.
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whats wrong with tiling? are you supposed to have every window maximized
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Oct 31, 2017 18:21
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each one a different size all overlapping so you can't actually see more than one at a time. bonus points if you use transparency so you can't actually see anything
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Oct 31, 2017 18:23
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i have chrome taking up like 2/3rds of my screen because reading a paragraph of text on a single line is painful
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Shaggar posted:tiling may be my favorite greybeard poo poo. its a concession that a GUI is superior to a command line, while retaining command line usability and efficiency problems. there are those lunatic “purists” peddling doing EVERYTHING by cli and I think they’re broken people
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I like the ones who install a gui, but refuse to plug in a mouse because they are "more efficient just using keyboard shortcuts"
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da beeper king BABY posted:Yeah I use xmonad at work and this is its main strength imo. Especially compared to gnome 2, the other "sane" option in centos 6, which doesn't even let you snap windows to fill half the screen and treats both monitors as a single virtual desktop all monitors on a system are supposed to be treated as a single desktop if you can’t just drag or resize a window to straddle multiple displays your window system and/or window manager are broken
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RFC2324 posted:I like the ones who install a gui, but refuse to plug in a mouse because they are "more efficient just using keyboard shortcuts" One time doing a go live for epic I watched a um manager enter a referral about 10x faster than I'd ever managed using only the keyboard and it blew my mind. If the work flow is designed with it in mind a key board can definitely be more efficient, but programming ain't one of those work flows.
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eschaton posted:all monitors on a system are supposed to be treated as a single desktop that would be macos
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cis autodrag posted:One time doing a go live for epic I watched a um manager enter a referral about 10x faster than I'd ever managed using only the keyboard and it blew my mind. If the work flow is designed with it in mind a key board can definitely be more efficient, but programming ain't one of those work flows. I've known sysadmins who were insanely fast, and I usually arrange my workflow around touching the mouse as little as possible. there are just certain things that it will ALWAYS be faster to use the mouse for, unless you literally design your entire UI around not needing one(and then you spend so much time doing that you probably are overall at a time loss vs just working with what is there) I've also noticed that in the normal run of things those guys lose alot of time tabbing around, missing the option they were trying to hit, and having to tab all the way back around because they don't know about ctrl-tab
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just fuckin lol if you can't type 110 wpm or more with perfect accuracy
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having bad opinions about configuration management is ok, as long as you can defend them even halfway cogently. your reason for a given technology choice can be bad, but you need to have a reason! shell scripts, on the other hand. phew boy. anyone who wants to defend shell scripting to me in a phone screen is a hard pass. gently caress you. life is too short.
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RFC2324 posted:I like the ones who install a gui, but refuse to plug in a mouse because they are "more efficient just using keyboard shortcuts" i have a hard time using a mouse for physical reasons offering a cli and making keyboard shortcuts available is a matter of accessibility. it is hard to predict what users will need
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have a hard time using a mouse for physical reasons Shove it up your rear end then control it via kegels?
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cis autodrag posted:work flow is designed with it in mind a key board can definitely be more efficient, but programming ain't one of those work flows. 
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its me, I'm the
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John Big Booty posted:And so it begins. looks like a good time sign me up at the corporate rate
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:looks like a good time
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John Big Booty posted:And so it begins. one of those emacs should be vile
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John Big Booty posted:And so it begins. the true meaning of emacs pinky
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have a hard time using a mouse for physical reasons which is a different use case than thinking it's more efficient i try to avoid mouse use but know some things will always be more efficient with a mouse
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today in shell scripting adventures: as i've mentioned in anotehr thread, my company recently had a mass layoff, so there are about 20 Linux servers abandoned by the people who used to manage them. It's now my job to do what those people used to do, and for that I need to know my way around the servers. I whipped up a couple scripts, for both Red Hat and Debian, to scan the entire file system except /proc /mnt and /dev, and list every file that isn't associated, in various ways, with an installed package. Didn't have to install any runtime across all the servers, or track down any libraries for whatever language, or set up a build. Just run "sudo find / [filters]" and pipe that through an additional filtering loop for the tests that "find" either can't run or i'd prefer not to run under sudo. About 50-60 lines for each script (I also had to list the installed packages). I end up with files that I can condense down to one-page reports by hand. i can imagine it might be useful to ask certain job candidates how they'd handle the situation.
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Gazpacho posted:today in shell scripting adventures: as i've mentioned in anotehr thread, my company recently had a mass layoff, so there are about 20 Linux servers abandoned by the people who used to manage them. It's now my job to do what those people used to do, and for that I need to know my way around the servers. docker, lol? serious answer: kubernetes because why the gently caress are you doing this. also chef and puppet are shitheaps, ansible is better bash and kubernetes is the ~future~.
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Punkbob posted:docker, lol?
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Gazpacho posted:Ah, the ol' "pretend the whole world has been fixed in advance" solution, you'll go far w that one I’d seriously look at gke if I was given 20 random shits to janitor all of a sudden. I don’t know what the hell your setup looks like but 20 boxes full of poo poo sounds like hell. and something like that is a week of work that gives me a massive increase in observability as well as getting me away from baby sitting black boxes of doom. I mean the other option is to just pretend they don’t exist.
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Gazpacho posted:today in shell scripting adventures: as i've mentioned in anotehr thread, my company recently had a mass layoff, so there are about 20 Linux servers abandoned by the people who used to manage them. It's now my job to do what those people used to do, and for that I need to know my way around the servers. if they answer "with an actual scripting language" do they get the job?
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also if they are centos or redhat based servers delete them now, as nothing on them could ever be worth anything.
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you know, i pretty much read yospos for the awful opinions espoused by utter assholes but this page has been real special
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carry on then posted:you know, i pretty much read yospos for the awful opinions espoused by utter assholes but this page has been real special tips fedoras, the only semi-usable OS by redhat.
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Condiv posted:if they answer "with an actual scripting language" do they get the job?
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"diurr i'd use docker." The immediate task isn't to organize what you have it's to discover what you have. Like if you work in logistics and you have to take possession of a mystery warehouse, any one who brainstorms how they're going to redo the floor plan before counting the drat inventory is an idiot.
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i think my problem with programming exclusively with a keyboard is more that it takes way more practice than i'd be willing to commit to, especially for probably only one language, and not that it's some literally unsolvable problem. like i'm halfway there with emacs and that's basically a shoestring and chewing gum contraption, you can watch the intellij videos and those people can fly around
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Punkbob posted:also if they are centos or redhat based servers delete them now, as nothing on them could ever be worth anything. 
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Good containment thread
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Gazpacho posted:today in shell scripting adventures: as i've mentioned in anotehr thread, my company recently had a mass layoff, so there are about 20 Linux servers abandoned by the people who used to manage them. It's now my job to do what those people used to do, and for that I need to know my way around the servers. i mean, when it comes to outright janitoring the environment sure a bit of shellscript is a quick way to do it, but even this example gets very disturbing the moment it creeps into the process and system. i.e. it gets thrown in a cron job and the overall workings start depending on it doing the right things in that situation we quickly get to questions like how errors are actually handled and reported (hugely fiddly in shellscripts), if someone creates a file with newlines in it (which if you use the pipe approach rather than -exec will make it appear to be two files, since as usual shell scripts have no conception of out-of-band data so these edge case are numerous), how does it fare if the filesystem changes under it as it is running (find after all is not super-clever about it, so what happens if files get doubly reported or fail to get reported at all) all small things, but the bigger looming issue is that shellscripts do not have the tools to deal well with them, and once entrenched you will have people going in and hacking something new up. at that point the issues get more complex and nefarious. e.g. someone attempts to separate the file names on the pipe with a NUL (since that is actually not permitted in file names), but in the process that entails actually operating on a string you do not control, and it is very easy to accidentally evaluate a backtick in a filename and have a full-blown security issue (if everyone is a shellscripting expert that may not happen, but that is a dangerous assumption)
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Shaggar posted:tiling may be my favorite greybeard poo poo. its a concession that a GUI is superior to a command line, while retaining command line usability and efficiency problems. as a linux dude, agreeing with shaggar feels wrong and dirty, but this is spot on
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I like it when can I hold the Windows key and use the arrow keys to position my windows.
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Tankakern posted:as a linux dude, agreeing with shaggar feels wrong and dirty, but this is spot on And, yeah, they often are but gently caress do I hate coding them.
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