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Gyges posted:I think that the torture porn genre and war movies are in the same boat where the more disgusting they make them the more they appeal to both the pro and anti groups. Every anti-war movie ends up a favorite of war hawks and it seems like the more torture porn genre you watch the more likely you are to be there because it's cool looking rather than seeing it as commentary on violence. I mean, this is all true, but... to go with your war movie analogy, anti-war movies don't tend to get shat on for being misunderstood by people. The Saw series is about as blunt and unsubtle as it can possibly be about this, without going to Funny Games territory and just being outright miserable to watch.
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I think Funny Games is a lot more fun to watch than any of the Saw movies.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:33
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precision posted:I think Funny Games is a lot more fun to watch than any of the Saw movies. Different strokes, I guess. 
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Oct 29, 2017 03:34
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The Saw series has always been trash. It's not even a case of it getting bad after the first one. This adorable puppet on a tricycle is supposed to be scary lol
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Oct 29, 2017 03:43
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Yaws posted:The Saw series has always been trash. It's not even a case of it getting bad after the first one. ...no it's not? The Billy puppet showing up in full is typically Jigsaw's way of going "yay, you won!" in the movies. It's supposed to be a sort of mood whiplash, with this adorable puppet showing up to congratulate the victim after they went through hell. This is the sort of thing I was talking about when I said the movies have a weird subtle sense of humor running through them. The TV screens with its distorted face are supposed to be freaky, but... they kinda are.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:49
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Like, I don't think the movies are masterpieces of cinema; I'll only actively suggest someone go out and watch the first two, maybe 3 if they wanna see how the initial story arc ends. At the same time, though, the amount of poo poo they catch from people is completely ridiculous, and often makes it look like the person making GBS threads on them either a) never watched the movies at all, or b) went in fully intending to hate them.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:52
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I just laugh my rear end off at the extreme gore and absurdity of it all. I don't dissect Saw movies.
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Oct 29, 2017 04:00
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Hey, I'm only dissecting them because Chris did and his dissection felt off-the-mark to me. I typically don't do it either, my enjoyment of the series as a whole is pretty much because they're a batshit insane and gory soap opera about psychos. 
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Oct 29, 2017 04:04
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I’ll stand by the first one, it’s a good movie. Being a movie snob is gross.
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Invalid Validation posted:Being a movie snob is gross. It's OK to hate a movie. 
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Gyges posted:I think that the torture porn genre and war movies are in the same boat where the more disgusting they make them the more they appeal to both the pro and anti groups. Every anti-war movie ends up a favorite of war hawks Truth. I tried to show a friend Apocalypse Now, and he completely missed the last half hour because the rest of it made him want to break down and reassemble his dad's .45 over and over. He joined the Army the next year and watched Full Metal Jacket the day before he went to basic. He also washed out 3 weeks later.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Truth. I tried to show a friend Apocalypse Now, and he completely missed the last half hour because the rest of it made him want to break down and reassemble his dad's .45 over and over. He joined the Army the next year and watched Full Metal Jacket the day before he went to basic. He also washed out 3 weeks later. The first Saw is dumb as gently caress under any amount of deconstruction, but seeing it opening night with a packed audience provided one of my favorite cinematic experiences I've ever had. It's not a movie, it's the film equivalent of a teacup ride at a second-rate carnival where you might literally die on a teacup ride. The sequels suffered in trying to justify the dumb-gently caress twist of the first film with convolution. That's when it entered soap opera territory. Everything post-Jigsaw death is just a franchise running in circles trying to tickle its own rear end in a top hat with a feather.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Which one was that again? I know 2 had the needle pit and 3 had the brain surgery but after that I don't remember what scenes happen in which movies. I could have sworn that was number 7. Doesn't the sawing-in-half take place in a storefront in a major intersection of a big city?
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Oct 29, 2017 19:22
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Their hate for the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels kind of baffles me. I understanding loathing the Saw movies, but NoES just seems so....inaquous? It was a film series that had creative kills, didn't take itself too serious overall, and ran out of steam when it hit the 90's. It feels like hating the kid who's always smiling and laughing, but not having a good reason to do so. Plus, it just feels up their allow in terms of being cheesy enjoyable. But you know.... 
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I mean, I kind of figure they'll lay out some more detailed gripes on the special, but it's also not like it's hard to find more positive takes on the material.
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Oct 30, 2017 22:23
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The Elm Street On-Screen was worth it just to hear Eric say "Freddy motorcycle" over and over. And Andrew's response. 
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Yeah, honestly the Nightmare movies are way more creative than any of the Friday films. And I like both series for what they are. Surprised they don’t enjoy them in the same way. And none of them are great films, except maybe Nightmare 1. No Jason movie comes close to being a “good” film the way Nightmare 1 or Halloween are.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:17
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:...no it's not? The Billy puppet showing up in full is typically Jigsaw's way of going "yay, you won!" in the movies. It's supposed to be a sort of mood whiplash, with this adorable puppet showing up to congratulate the victim after they went through hell. This is the sort of thing I was talking about when I said the movies have a weird subtle sense of humor running through them. Sorry dude but James Wan definitely unironically thinks all puppets including that one are inherently scary.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:29
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Agreed. I might just have a soft spot for the NoeS series but they seem to hate them to an exaggerated degree. That said I still haven't seen the remake.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:41
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NOES has a serious identity crisis right around part 4, where Freddy Krueger completely ditches being a real "villain," and just becomes Bugs Bunny. The first film is a classic, Freddy's Revenge is interesting enough in its own right to give a watch, and the Dream Warriors is unabashed fun. But everything after that third film is just a steady decline in quality. I won't say that the movies are ever boring, but they also don't really do anything particularly interesting either. Ironically, the remake almost gets to an interesting place by heavily suggesting that Krueger was innocent of his crimes and wrongfully murdered by the Springwood parents, but then gets cold feet and overcorrects by not only saying that yes, he was indeed a child murderer, but also explicitly stating that he was a child molester. And that... changes the tone of things significantly in a way that is hard to rectify with the aforementioned Bugs Bunny Freddy, which is the dominate interpretation of the character.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:49
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Catfishenfuego posted:Sorry dude but James Wan definitely unironically thinks all puppets including that one are inherently scary. seven out of the eight movies weren't directed by him, and the puppet barely shows up in the first movie aside from the TV screens
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Oct 31, 2017 02:05
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:seven out of the eight movies weren't directed by him, and the puppet barely shows up in the first movie aside from the TV screens He also directed Dead Silence. I dunno, the puppet seems like it's intended to be sinister but I haven't seen all the Saw films
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Oct 31, 2017 02:19
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"Was it worth it?" -The Undertaker, 1999
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Corek posted:"Was it worth it?" I'm kinda calling bullshit on that story, but that one quote does actually fit with Undertaker's IRL personality when he's not in character from what I understand. To wit, when he was in his Bikertaker phase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qlfp8BOPDg Bikertaker seems to be what the dude's IRL personality seems to be (again, from stories I hear), e.g. a big-rear end, take no poo poo Texan.
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Fart City posted:Ironically, the remake almost gets to an interesting place by heavily suggesting that Krueger was innocent of his crimes and wrongfully murdered by the Springwood parents, but then gets cold feet and overcorrects by not only saying that yes, he was indeed a child murderer, but also explicitly stating that he was a child molester. And that... changes the tone of things significantly in a way that is hard to rectify with the aforementioned Bugs Bunny Freddy, which is the dominate interpretation of the character. The later Nightmare sequels were always tonally hard to rectify with the original, to be honest. Even though Freddy isn't explicitly a sexual predator in the original movie, the way he stalks and psychologically tortures the kids is definitely sensual for him. Freddy is a character who really gets off on what he does, even aside from the obvious thing of him coming to them at night in their beds. The movie supports that interpretation in pretty much every way, with iconic shots like Freddy's glove between Nancy's legs in the tub.
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enigmahfc posted:Their hate for the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels kind of baffles me. I understanding loathing the Saw movies, but NoES just seems so....inaquous? It was a film series that had creative kills, didn't take itself too serious overall, and ran out of steam when it hit the 90's. It feels like hating the kid who's always smiling and laughing, but not having a good reason to do so. The NoES series was a bit before my time so I only saw them for the first time a few years ago and I agree with the WHM gang in that the series is mostly just boring. New Nightmare is a the only one I found actually spooky, Dream Warriors was kind of fun as an 80s adventure movie but I actually liked Freddy's Dead more than most just for being a good live-action cartoon since I had no real attachment to the franchise. END ME SCOOB posted:I mean, I kind of figure they'll lay out some more detailed gripes on the special, but it's also not like it's hard to find more positive takes on the material. I have been listening to an enjoying Elm Street Nightmare, even if I'm not crazy about the movies themselves I enjoy the fandom and phenomena surrounding them and the stories behind their production and the show does a good job balancing being informative (beyond just repeating stuff from the excellent Never Sleep Again documentary and their own trivia) and showing how actual fans who grew up with the films feel about them and why. The Laser Time network in general is pretty strong, it's a better successor to the mantle of pop culture trivia and nostalgia sites of yore like X-Entertainment than the actual short-lived podcast the X-Entertainment guy made a few years ago. Fart City posted:Ironically, the remake almost gets to an interesting place by heavily suggesting that Krueger was innocent of his crimes and wrongfully murdered by the Springwood parents, but then gets cold feet and overcorrects by not only saying that yes, he was indeed a child murderer, but also explicitly stating that he was a child molester. And that... changes the tone of things significantly in a way that is hard to rectify with the aforementioned Bugs Bunny Freddy, which is the dominate interpretation of the character. The remake was a bad movie which is a shame because it did have some good ideas. Aside from Freddy possibly being innocent the whole "micro naps" thing making it so that the dream world and reality started blurring together could have lead to a great surreal mood in better hands and also the inverted pacing (a lot of kills at the beginning and then a much slower and methodical back half) could have been memorable.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Bikertaker seems to be what the dude's IRL personality seems to be (again, from stories I hear), e.g. a big-rear end, take no poo poo Texan. Speaking of 'Taker (BAH GAWD), you know why Kane used to wear a mask? Because he was a retired Tennessee cop and didn't want to be recognized (until he did).
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Bringing up old wrestlers and wondering if they're dead is the most underrated WHM running gag.
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precision posted:Speaking of 'Taker (BAH GAWD), you know why Kane used to wear a mask? Because he was a retired Tennessee cop and didn't want to be recognized (until he did). And now he's a crazy Libertarian.
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Gene Simmons and Kiss actually made a deal with WCW, not WWF, don't tell me it didn't happen.
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precision posted:Speaking of 'Taker (BAH GAWD), you know why Kane used to wear a mask? Because he was a retired Tennessee cop and didn't want to be recognized (until he did). I may be missing the joke, but this isn’t true. He was never a cop and wrestled without a mask before the Kane character.
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New Nightmare owns, end of story.
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Blame It On Outer Space is back!
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I know, this week has been a treat, and it's only Wednesday
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The Twinkie Czar posted:Gene Simmons and Kiss actually made a deal with WCW, not WWF, don't tell me it didn't happen. The best part is KISS insisted that he be in main events but he was utter poo poo so WCW would put him on early and just call the match a "special main event". I feel like the guys would get a kick out of The Death Of WCW.
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Violator posted:I may be missing the joke, but this isn’t true. He was never a cop and wrestled without a mask before the Kane character. It's true, I heard the same thing from an older kid. He was forced to retire as a cop after being seen doing nude-alitys at the arcade.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:seven out of the eight movies weren't directed by him, and the puppet barely shows up in the first movie aside from the TV screens The joke is that every single James Wan horror movie has spooky puppets/dolls in it.
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The Twinkie Czar posted:It's true, I heard the same thing from an older kid. He was forced to retire as a cop after being seen doing nude-alitys at the arcade. I heard it from my uncle who works at Nintendo.
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Violator posted:I may be missing the joke, but this isn’t true. He was never a cop and wrestled without a mask before the Kane character. Weird, in the late 90s (when I lived in TN) every wrestling fan I knew said that about Kane, that he had been a cop in or around Chattanooga What apparently IS true is that he's running for Mayor of Knoxville! Holy poo poo
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The mayor thing is true, yes. What's funny is I thought for sure he'd retired but nope, he recently returned and is back to kayfabe murdering dudes.
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