Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
(Thread IKs: fart simpson)
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


i appreciate how this thread went from discussion of modern china and xi jinping to smac because i drunkenly changed the title to my nick

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Typo posted:

sure, they'll just compromise ideology with reality

if this was possible in the smac universe the original UN ship would’ve never broken up into a bunch of weirdo factions

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Top City Homo posted:

i cant for the life of me believe that morgan would be a viable faction

how the hell do you transplant an exploitative non producing casino ideology into a place that has no goods or consumers?

its like having libertarians start one of their fail settlements

how will it not just immediately fall apart?

think of it this way: the starting social engineering choices are Survival and Simple Economics. you have to grow and research to figure out how to actually implement Wealth values and Free Market economics in the context of life on Alpha Centauri.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i appreciate how this thread went from discussion of modern china and xi jinping to smac because i drunkenly changed the title to my nick

smac is engaging, china is just depressing

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

for real though don’t overanalyse smac factions lol. like do you reckon a bunch of anarchohackers could run an entire civilisation? or some hippies could survive on an abjectly hostile planet? uhhh
SMAX isn't real I tell myself as I close my eyes and smash my Battle Ogre Mk 1 into Dawn of Planet

Tiny Bug Child
Sep 11, 2004

Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Prav posted:

think of it this way: the starting social engineering choices are Survival and Simple Economics. you have to grow and research to figure out how to actually implement Wealth values and Free Market economics in the context of life on Alpha Centauri.

i've always thought it was cool how if you read the descriptions for a lot of the early techs, they don't actually represent new discoveries, just how to make things work on planet. even as late as the first satellite tech, which has a great quote where santiago calls you a dumbass if you were wondering why you could land on a new planet but not launch a satellite

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

if this was possible in the smac universe the original UN ship would’ve never broken up into a bunch of weirdo factions

to give an analogue, the communist movement fractured into like a million pieces but when communists came to power they rapidly made compromises with reality and built states which guaranteed their own survival

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
holy gently caress it's true miriam went out by Jonestowning her own faction

https://paeantosmac.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/base-facility-psi-gate/

“Go through, my children! The time of miracles is upon us. Let us cast off sin and walk together to the Garden of the Lord. With God’s mercy we shall meet again on the other side.”

— Sister Miriam Godwinson, “Last Testament”

And so we turn to the quote. This is the conclusion of Sister Miriam’s last testament; these are her last words. Soon after leaving this message, she stepped into a Psi Gate. But this one wasn’t attuned to a particular target destination. So instead of delivering her to a nearby base as would normally be the case, it annihilated her physical form.

This is suicide. A futuristic form of suicide that has a gnostic sort of purity, perhaps, but suicide nonetheless. Judging by her exhortation to her followers, she intends this to be a mass suicide. Historically, such an event tends to take place after the leaders lose hope that they can accomplish their worldly goals. And, given that it usually accompanies a catastrophic or apocalyptic defeat, it’s understandable that it’s also commonly accompanied by a strong belief that the end times are approaching.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Typo posted:

to give an analogue, the communist movement fractured into like a million pieces but when communists came to power they rapidly made compromises with reality and built states which guaranteed their own survival

i think they shot most of the people that disagreed with them actually

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
that's what " built states which guaranteed their own survival" means

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
so you’re saying pravin lal should’ve shot most of his subordinates right before they landed? hmm

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

he already shot his boss

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

so you’re saying pravin lal should’ve shot most of his subordinates right before they landed? hmm

no, lal would have built a 20th century style liberal state

but yeah all the crazy ideologues need to build some sort of a state, democratic or not and you can bet someone like yang miriam or even morgan are gonna have scary police states

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

not a single mention of the nautilus pirates, smdh

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Typo posted:

no, lal would have built a 20th century style liberal state

but yeah all the crazy ideologues need to build some sort of a state, democratic or not and you can bet someone like yang miriam or even morgan are gonna have scary police states

nah actually if lal did that smac would be a mindworm tower defence game

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Karl Barks posted:

not a single mention of the nautilus pirates, smdh

#fakefaction

Tiny Bug Child
Sep 11, 2004

Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror
all the smax factions were pretty shaky ideologically and the pirates were the worst. hey what are your core beliefs? oh uhh we really like water

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
the pirates were also incel but not as bad as the cyborgs

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Tiny Bug Child posted:

all the smax factions were pretty shaky ideologically and the pirates were the worst. hey what are your core beliefs? oh uhh we really like water

you’re scandinavian so you must love pillaging stuff on boats

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


the only smax faction with actual ideology is free drones and theyre just old school commies.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

you’re scandinavian so you must love pillaging stuff on boats
he wasn't even a proper scandi, he was an american. Sad!

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the only smax faction with actual ideology is free drones and theyre just old school commies.
ya also their leader being a talent with brain damage was p. Problematic

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

true communism is a Hive that goes Eudaimonic.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
lal rigged the planetary governor elections

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

jBrereton posted:

he wasn't even a proper scandi, he was an american. Sad!

yeah i looked it up earlier, and it says he was born in gloucester, MA lol

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete
Pretty much every time I play a game with AI, Morgan either gets his poo poo ruined immediately by a neighboring faction or lands on an island by himself and remains irrelevant for the entire game.

Also some stuff I learned from gratuitous use of supply crawlers:
Base population above 126 causes the game to crash
A base with population exceeding 40 can no longer experience a Golden Age through any means. The maximum number of talents a base can have is 20, as that is the maximum number of tiles that can be worked by citizens. Once there's more specialists than talents, no more golden ages.

Concordat has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Nov 2, 2017

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Concordat posted:

Pretty much every time I play a game with AI, Morgan either gets his poo poo ruined immediately by a neighboring faction or lands on an island by himself and remains irrelevant for the entire game.

Also some stuff I learned from gratuitous use of supply crawlers:
Base population above 126 causes the game to crash
A base with population exceeding 40 can no longer experience a Golden Age through any means. The maximum number of talents a base can have is 20, as that is the maximum number of tiles that can be worked by citizens. Once there's more specialists than talents, no more golden ages.

supply crawlers are basically cheat codes so it's expected

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

all the leaders of every faction are clinically immortal ghouls and thus counterrevolutionary scum

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Since this is basically the unofficial Alpha Centauri/CSPAM gaming thread, I'm encountering a catastrophic CTD bug with Yitzi's 3.5 patch that crashes every time after a massive fungal bloom from eco damage. It was fixed in 3.5b, which is an exe fix that you need the regular 3.5 patch to merge over.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=347

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Socialism with Mindworm Characteristics

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Since this is basically the unofficial Alpha Centauri/CSPAM gaming thread, I'm encountering a catastrophic CTD bug with Yitzi's 3.5 patch that crashes every time after a massive fungal bloom from eco damage. It was fixed in 3.5b, which is an exe fix that you need the regular 3.5 patch to merge over.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=347

"Unofficial"?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Since this is basically the unofficial Alpha Centauri/CSPAM gaming thread, I'm encountering a catastrophic CTD bug with Yitzi's 3.5 patch that crashes every time after a massive fungal bloom from eco damage. It was fixed in 3.5b, which is an exe fix that you need the regular 3.5 patch to merge over.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=347

this exe doesn't work for me

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Jose posted:

this exe doesn't work for me

it's the terranx.exe which means it's the Alien Crossfire one. Not sure if there's a patch for the regular terran exe.

In case you don't know, you're supposed to paste it into your SMAC folder and replace the original .exe with that one. Might have to redo your desktop shortcut too.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
yeah id di that with no success. i'll try again tomorrow

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Have you not installed Yitzi's 3.5 patch already? I don't get why it wouldn't be working otherwise.

e: I eventually got to the point where any random event, like forest or fungus expansion, or one of my units being blown up would CTD. I basically just disabled PRACX and the ctd problem went away. It's inconvenient but PRACX 1.10 is like three years old while Fitzi's Patch was just updated last year, so there's bound to be some conflict. If you want to force Alpha Centauri do do a widescreen without installing PRACX, go into your alphacentauri.ini and add in a line under [Alpha Centauri] that says DirectDraw=0 and it'll default to your desktop resolution. The UI and the FMVs are at a lower resolution, but the game map itself will fit your whole screen.

ee: nevermind the problem came back. Guess my current game is boned.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 05:34 on Nov 3, 2017

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i appreciate how this thread went from discussion of modern china and xi jinping to smac because i drunkenly changed the title to my nick

i do prefer the neo-john birchers itf posting about a video game rather than a country they learned about from vice dot com

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

R. Guyovich posted:

i do prefer the neo-john birchers itf posting about a video game rather than a country they learned about from vice dot com

go nerve staple yourself

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
There's too much negative energy itt, its ruining my chakras

HomeEx, tell us something fun that happened to you, tell us a story about china

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

StashAugustine posted:

go nerve staple yourself

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

*looks at the material conditions* they're good

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

rudatron posted:

There's too much negative energy itt, its ruining my chakras

Typical Gaian :rolleye:

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Zakharov is a "I loving love science!" guy

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply