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Nov 3, 2017 02:52
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One of the best illustrators of the idea of the past as a foreign country is previous generations strange obsession with hillbillies.
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Nov 3, 2017 02:54
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remusclaw posted:One of the best illustrators of the idea of the past as a foreign country is previous generations strange obsession with hillbillies. I can tell somebody hasn't ever gone into a remote town in the south with a population of 42 who all have the same last name.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:00
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I remember at a certain point they trot Hillbilly Jim out (like 20 years after this, so I feel safe from spoilers), and he looked more or less like he did in the 80s. To the point it was weirding out everyone I was watching it with
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Nov 3, 2017 03:10
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frankenfreak posted:That would be their feud in Mid-South, right? Yep. Hard to believe it, but there was a time when Jim Duggan was very well loved by Observer readers.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:23
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DeathChicken posted:I remember at a certain point they trot Hillbilly Jim out (like 20 years after this, so I feel safe from spoilers), and he looked more or less like he did in the 80s. To the point it was weirding out everyone I was watching it with Wrestlemania X7 in the Gimmick Battle Royale? (I'm pretty sure Rarity has seen X7 so this probably doesn't need a spoiler either.)
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Nov 3, 2017 08:02
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God I remember that Hart Foundation vs Brainbusters match ruling a whole bunch. Glad to see my memory was accurate.
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Nov 3, 2017 12:20
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Hoss Corncave posted:Wrestlemania X7 in the Gimmick Battle Royale? That was great because everyone else was a giant, fatbodied mess and hillbilly jim was just happy and fit. He was also the sanest and most sober person on legends house.
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Nov 3, 2017 15:31
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Dang I hope we get a full-on Hillbillies vs Bushwhackers slobberknocker!
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Nov 3, 2017 21:30
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Davros1 posted:Three of them. Hillbilly Jim, Uncle Elmer, and Cousin Luke. There was more than 3 of them. There was Cousin Junior also.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:43
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Gaz-L posted:Does Dave even know what Most Overrated is supposed to mean? Dave has always maintained that Most Overrated/Most Underrated should be "Most overpushed/Most underpushed" btw Best Heel/Best Face were replaced with Best Draw because according to Dave the criterion was supposed to be "best heel/face at drawing crowds" and people were just judging it on promos. e) and yeah, until like 1998 virtually any year Hulk won Most Overrated was moronic. Say what you want about Hulk but WWF (and even WCW for a while) wasn't wrong to make them their top star.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:57
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The over pushed and under pushed stuff also took into account the wrestlers abilities as well.
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Nov 3, 2017 22:04
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Zombie Mean Gene makes his first appearance of the night as he stands in the back with – oh hey, I was right – Dusty Rhodes.quote:INTRODUCING... Anyway, Dusty gives us a little promo about his opponent tonight. He says he's going to dance circles around him and he promises excitement galore as he kicks some booty. When he talks he sounds like he's recovering from a stroke, it's quite strange. But then I suppose this is the guy who birthed Goldust and Stardust so I shouldn't really be surprised. The Honky Tonk Man w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes So Dusty's first major opponent on the timeline is going to be Honky and this is not a combination that I expect a lot out of that. Dusty walks out to that amazing theme and he's a-dancing and a-waving and the fans are totally into him. He's wearing a cop hat and a nightstick and the polka dot singlet, he looks like a Chippendale that's gone to seed but can't let go of the dream. He gets into the ring and gives the crowd a little strut and then also a bum wiggle. Ew, Dusty. Put it away. Meanwhile, Honky's been so kind as to give us a bonus edition of...   Honky still can't get over Peggy Sue  They kick things off with a whole bunch of stalling and taunting, all the usual palaver. Dusty manages to get in close and he... rustles Honky's hair. Seriously? Is this it? Is this what Dusty is? A funny fat man who just wants to make his opponent's feel uncomfortable? This isn't a wrestler, this is a court jester. And I'm not saying comedy doesn't belong in wrestling. Comedy absolutely belongs. It just can't come at the expense of your workers' legitimacy. Meanwhile, Schiavone weighs in on the polka dot debate on the side of 'Yes'. I think I currently sit on the side of 'Who Cares?'. Jesse says that Dusty entered a Mr. America contest and won 'Most Abs', which is a fantastic line right up until the point where he has to clarify it. Don't over-explain the joke, Jesse! Jimmy tries to get involved so Dusty chases him and he drops the megaphone. Honky picks it up and blasts Dusty right in the gut with it but fair play to Dusty, he kicks out. That's the first time anyone's managed to kick out of a megaphone hit! I suppose he's got so much flab it cushioned the blow.  Dusty, hearing that catering's put out extra bacon The rhythm slows as they settle into a series of long rest holds that seem designed purely to fill time as we wait for the finish. I say this because after a few minutes of this it's the very next spot of the match. Honky pushes Dusty off him and he goes flying right into the referee. Spotting the ref's down, Honky grabs Dusty and calls out to Jimmy for some assistance. Jimmy grabs the guitar and takes a swing but Dusty ducks and the guitar rocks Honky hard. Dusty follows up with the Bionic Elbow to put this one to rest. This match was weird more than anything else. I feel like it was booked more to get Dusty's character over than anything else and seeing as that character really isn't clicking for me I'm not going to feel it. On reflection I guess my issues here are the same as my issues with Hacksaw. He plays it so over the top that he comes across like a cartoon and it makes it impossible for me to buy him as a genuine person. It's an immersion killer. Jimmy helps Honky up the aisle where they are accosted by Sean Mooney. He asks Honky about the match but Honky's so delirious he thinks he thinks he's with Prescott Presley at a concert and asks to be taken to the stage. Haha, now that's how you do comedy in wrestling. I realise a lot of you may be mad at me for how much criticism I've given Dusty in this review. To make it up for you, have a poster I found of Dusty helping out America's youth with a Public Service Announcement.  That's not what he meant by 'working with his hands' Back to the interview room where Zombie Mean Gene is with the unlikely combination of Demolition and Hacksaw Jim Duggan. I'm clearly not the only one who finds this a bit of a strange matching because Hacksaw is trying to fit in with a gimp mask of his own. He's also somewhere in the interim wound up with the King gimmick so gently caress knows what's happened to Haku. You'd think this would be the last gimmick Hacksaw would ever take on. After all, America made it's name by rejecting the monarchy. But take it on he has and in a beautiful touch the 2x4 has got a tiny crown of its own. Ok, that's brilliant. There is an interview going on here as well, I promise. Ax says that to prepare for their match tonight they've gone back to basics, which is funny because I don't think they've ever left them. Smash adds that Demolition have trained Hacksaw to destroy, attack and destroy. Now he's even more like America!  ...and Ax botches a thumbs up. Godammit Ax, you're the loving worst. Curt Hennig vs. The Red Rooster Oh man, seriously? Do you really have to do this? There's no need to involve Hennig with this. There are so many better things he could be doing for you guys. He doesn't even get an entrance! We just cut back to the ring and he's already standing there like a jobber. Show the man some drat respect. Even Rooster is getting a theme and an entrance pop these days, the least you could do is give Hennig the same. Ugh. Hennig does have the chewing gum though so we're getting there. Hennig opens things up with a big big hiptoss and then he struts around taking the piss out of Rooster's headbob. Thank gently caress someone acknowledges that that's idiotic. Rooster lifts Hennig up for a body slam but he can't hold him and Hennig just drops down on top of him as if its Ryback lifting Mark Henry. I think that was Rooster shoot not being able to lift Hennig's weight.  YOU NEED A FORKLIFT TRUCK TO HEFT MY CARCASS, BOY! With the match firmly in control Hennig connects with a beautiful standing dropkick that gets serious praise from Schiavone. That was sexy as hell. They brawl to the outside for a few moments then come back in the ring where Hennig instantly hits the Perfectplex to get the win. Well, I guess if you're going to put Hennig against Rooster than at least you made it clear Hennig was on another level. It's barely worth commenting on this one because it was a totally nothing match. What I will talk about is how much they're wasting Hennig at this point. He's been in the company for close to a year now and despite always looking good with what little he's been given he's been sidelined so much. This is someone who could be stealing the show. Hell, he's managed to get me fully on board just from these last few PPVs. Maybe start by putting him in matches with people who aren't colours. At this point I fully expect his next feud to be with Bad News Brown.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:58
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Dusty Rhodes is probably my favorite wrestler of all time. Of course, I'm from Florida, and he ruled this state, once upon a time.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:12
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Yeah, Dusty's gimmick in the WWF is kind of intentionally cartoonish and mid-card-y, in one of Vince's counter-productive attempts to get his 'self-made' stars over at the expense of humiliating his 'competition', despite only being able to do the latter because the 'competition' now work for him. That the polka-dots are remembered as anything other than an insult is a testament to Dusty's commitment to putting 100% behind it. But even in the NWA, he was never a phenomenal technical grappler.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:24
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, Dusty's gimmick in the WWF is kind of intentionally cartoonish and mid-card-y, in one of Vince's counter-productive attempts to get his 'self-made' stars over at the expense of humiliating his 'competition', despite only being able to do the latter because the 'competition' now work for him. Dusty knew what to do, just didn't look that good doing it. It didn't matter, though, he was one of the most charismatic wrestlers ever, and cut the greatest promo of all time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9py4aMK3aIU
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Nov 4, 2017 01:31
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Also probably the second best while he was at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGG1QGU1VEg
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Nov 4, 2017 01:42
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DeathChicken posted:Also probably the second best while he was at it Yes! Man, people wonder how this fat, nonathletic guy was so over
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Nov 4, 2017 01:47
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Short, brief, but one of my favorite Dusty promos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcH3B-EbeJA&t=60s
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Nov 4, 2017 01:48
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Sorry guys, I'm sticking to this one. Dusty bad 
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Nov 4, 2017 01:53
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Rarity posted:Sorry guys, I'm sticking to this one. Dusty bad You are objectively wrong. Mods, ban this filth.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:55
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goddamn rarity just went and turned heel on us
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Nov 4, 2017 01:55
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Dustin is better than Dusty.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:09
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^^^ Agreed, although Cody is better than both I don't care how good a promo you are, if you're a wrestler than at some point you're going to have to step between the ropes and wrestle and when that comes I expect a minimal level of ability in the ring. I don't need to be blown away but you've got to be at least Randy Orton-level. You might have noticed this from my comments on Hulk, Hacksaw and Demolition to name the most obvious ones. And from what I've seen, Dusty hasn't got it.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:10
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I love Dusty promos but I completely understand why someone wouldn't.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:12
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Lol technical wrestling has never drew money, which is why Hulk Hogan is who he is, and why Lance Storm is who he is.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:12
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Dustin is better than Cody but his best stuff was in zero-money 1992-93 WCW and as a tag team partner with Cody, and the middle part of his career is either gimmicky nonsense like Dusty or total garbage.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:15
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Randaconda posted:Lol technical wrestling has never drew money, which is why Hulk Hogan is who he is, and why Lance Storm is who he is. Technical wrestling drew insane amounts of money in the 20th century.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:16
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Randaconda posted:Lol technical wrestling has never drew money, which is why Hulk Hogan is who he is, and why Lance Storm is who he is. I'm not saying what I think makes a popular wrestler, I'm saying what makes a wrestler I like.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:20
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Rarity posted:^^^ Agreed, although Cody is better than both I think there is a line to be drawn here between knowing what kind of wrestling you like, and what is 'good'. Dusty is, in fact, decent at the style he works. Basically, remember that you thought Savage/Steamboat was 'pretty good', and then remember that was a 5 star classic at the time.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:20
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You can't judge wrestling from a different era by the standards of today, especially since every territory's fans expected different things.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:22
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Randaconda posted:You can't judge wrestling from a different era by the standards of today, especially since every territory's fans expected different things. You actually are allowed to say you like and dislike things for reasons
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Nov 4, 2017 02:27
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Junpei Hyde posted:You actually are allowed to say you like and dislike things for reasons Yes, and people are allowed to disagree, especially absurd claims such as this.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:29
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Randaconda posted:You can't judge wrestling from a different era by the standards of today you're gonna eat these words
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Nov 4, 2017 02:41
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The WWF was the rear end end of Dusty's career, it's OK to not be that impressed.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:52
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Randaconda posted:Yes, and people are allowed to disagree, especially absurd claims such as this. "I dont like a particular era of wrestling due to the in ring action not being my thing" is truly ridiculous
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Nov 4, 2017 03:02
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sean10mm posted:The WWF was the rear end end of Dusty's career, it's OK to not be that impressed. Yeah, WWF Dusty is only notable for Vince being petty as all gently caress and Dusty still managing to spin some gold out of it. But Dusty's one of the best pure babyfaces of all time and it's based on his ability to connect to the fans (especially minorities, to the detriment of actual minorities in the business) and talk them into the building. Besides, when you've got Ric Flair opposite of you, you let Flair do the wrestling for both of you, just bleed and sell.
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Nov 4, 2017 03:51
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I would argue that when one guy is responsible for what (I feel) are probably the two best wrestling promos ever, it transcends loving workrate
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Nov 4, 2017 04:10
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Honestly, Dusty is kinda like The Rock (and this is my Hot Take) in that neither were above 'pretty good' in the ring, but their character, charisma and promos were good enough to make up for it.
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Nov 4, 2017 04:11
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Rarity posted:Sorry guys, I'm sticking to this one. Dusty bad Terry Funk agrees!  
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