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Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Plex has thoroughly owned for me, and it's almost all I use my ATV for, other than live sports streaming in random other TV apps. Never had an issue with it. Remote server connections are most likely an upload rate issue with the server's internet connection, like if you're trying to watch your buddy's movies or whatever.

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American McGay
Feb 28, 2010

by sebmojo
So if I've got a 2016 LG OLED do I manually set this to DolbyVision30Hz or do I just leave it on the default because only super spergs care about the difference between HDR10 and DV?

appropriatemetaphor
Jan 26, 2006

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Plex has thoroughly owned for me, and it's almost all I use my ATV for, other than live sports streaming in random other TV apps. Never had an issue with it. Remote server connections are most likely an upload rate issue with the server's internet connection, like if you're trying to watch your buddy's movies or whatever.

Naw he's got a fiber connection and I'm the only one with issues. Are there some wonky settings I might have hosed up somewhere on my end?

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

Cobalt Viper posted:

So if I've got a 2016 LG OLED do I manually set this to DolbyVision30Hz or do I just leave it on the default because only super spergs care about the difference between HDR10 and DV?

Set it to DV 30 or better yet, DV 24 when watching movies with DV.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

OGB posted:

This is a pretty good repository of resellers.

https://uvspider.com/

This is from the last page but how legit is this service? I'd like to think it's cool but the weird hacks to get around having an actual disc in are throwing up a flag in my head (and does that even apply if you're streaming to an AppleTV? Can you even redeem a code via the AppleTV and avoid the disc thing all together?)


Edit: MacRumors points to some anonymous Reddit user as saying 10/26 is the launch date for the Amazon Prime Video app so take that with a huge grain of salt.

Thwomp fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 11, 2017

1997
Jan 20, 2008

calmer than you are

Thwomp posted:

This is from the last page but how legit is this service? I'd like to think it's cool but the weird hacks to get around having an actual disc in are throwing up a flag in my head (and does that even apply if you're streaming to an AppleTV? Can you even redeem a code via the AppleTV and avoid the disc thing all together?)


Edit: MacRumors points to some anonymous Reddit user as saying 10/26 is the launch date for the Amazon Prime Video app so take that with a huge grain of salt.

They're just selling you redemption codes for the movies, not sure what you mean by "weird hacks?"

Edit: I've bought like ten movies so far from different services and paid with PayPal. Everything has been fine.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
It's pretty reliable. iTunes can be finicky. Like it's given me permission playback errors halfway through movies, making me restart. Also it wouldn't let me redeem one movie with 3 different codes. But the reseller gave me 3 different codes and finally credited me back the price.

I usually hate Vudu, but the Apple TV app works pretty well and has been far more consistent than Apple's own movie player.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
The PBS app has been completely redesigned and is a bit easier to use now.

A Spider Covets
May 4, 2009


Just wanted to drop by and say thanks again for answering my questions! I love our new Apple TV, the interface is so much better and it has an app for Shudder, a streaming service we use a lot. My dad wound up getting one, too. :) Cheers y'all.

dexter6
Sep 22, 2003
Does anyone know if Hulu, Netflix or YouTube are 4K yet?

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

A Spider Covets posted:

Just wanted to drop by and say thanks again for answering my questions! I love our new Apple TV, the interface is so much better and it has an app for Shudder, a streaming service we use a lot. My dad wound up getting one, too. :) Cheers y'all.

How is Shudder? The gf and I are getting to the point where we’ve watched nearly every Netflix horror and need to branch out.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

dexter6 posted:

Does anyone know if Hulu, Netflix or YouTube are 4K yet?

“So far, the only third-party app that supports 4K is Netflix, but Apple says Amazon's upcoming Prime Video app will offer it as well. 4K is also coming to the YouTube app soon, and Apple is negotiating with Hulu to enable it eventually. (So far, Hulu only supports 4K on game consoles.)”

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/21/apple-tv-4k-hands-on/

Netflix is also HDR on most of their originals.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Does anyone know whether there's a way to input japanese text into youtube search? I presume if you set your language or region to Japan you could but I'm just interested in the keyboard.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I thought the codec YouTube was using prevented Apple hardware from getting 4K from it?

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

EL BROMANCE posted:

I thought the codec YouTube was using prevented Apple hardware from getting 4K from it?

Correct. YouTube (and Google) push VP9 for 4K content. Apple doesn't support VP9. So don't expect to see 4K content available via YouTube anytime soon.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

They could probably do 4K VP9 in software on the newest device.

Dem Bones
Feb 25, 2005
Listen, I didn't face ten long tours against the goddamn 'bots to come back home and lift baby weights.

Martytoof posted:

Does anyone know whether there's a way to input japanese text into youtube search? I presume if you set your language or region to Japan you could but I'm just interested in the keyboard.

If you have an iOS device, add Japanese keyboards on it and then use the iOS Remote app/functionality, and I bet it would work.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

Subjunctive posted:

They could probably do 4K VP9 in software on the newest device.

yeah the cpu could probably handle it but it would virtually monopolise the available resources. i see them just serving the 1440p h.264 stream and leaving it at that

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

Where is this sports app they talked about

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Probably about three steps behind the Amazon Video app.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
This variable framerate on Apple TV sure sounds a lot like variable refresh rate/Adaptive Sync. I don’t recall this getting a mention in the initial presentation, but it seems to be what’s included in the new developer build, no?

That’s a pretty big deal if true; basically running your movies and TV shows in 24/25 Hz and saving a bunch of power doing so. But this would only work on G-Sync/FreeSync monitors rather than TVs for the time being, right?

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

ufarn posted:

This variable framerate on Apple TV sure sounds a lot like variable refresh rate/Adaptive Sync. I don’t recall this getting a mention in the initial presentation, but it seems to be what’s included in the new developer build, no?

That’s a pretty big deal if true; basically running your movies and TV shows in 24/25 Hz and saving a bunch of power doing so. But this would only work on G-Sync/FreeSync monitors rather than TVs for the time being, right?
Pretty much any TV will accept 24fps input [displaying it correctly is a whole other matter], there will probably be some blinking on switch which is what Apple was trying to avoid in the first place with their "make everything 60fps" approach but it's good to see them responding fairly quickly.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Dem Bones posted:

If you have an iOS device, add Japanese keyboards on it and then use the iOS Remote app/functionality, and I bet it would work.

Oh this is probably the best idea, thanks!

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



ufarn posted:

This variable framerate on Apple TV sure sounds a lot like variable refresh rate/Adaptive Sync. I don’t recall this getting a mention in the initial presentation, but it seems to be what’s included in the new developer build, no?

That’s a pretty big deal if true; basically running your movies and TV shows in 24/25 Hz and saving a bunch of power doing so. But this would only work on G-Sync/FreeSync monitors rather than TVs for the time being, right?

Good catch. Glad to see Apple following up on this.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Probably about three steps behind the Amazon Video app.

I thought the Amazon app was supposed to drop any day now.

The Movies Anywhere app makes Amazon Video kind of redundant though. Finally, I can watch all my Amazon movies on my Apple TV.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Krispy Wafer posted:

I thought the Amazon app was supposed to drop any day now.

The Movies Anywhere app makes Amazon Video kind of redundant though. Finally, I can watch all my Amazon movies on my Apple TV.

Movies Anywhere doesn't work for free for Prime and TV stuff, only for MOVIES you've purchased (and even then not all studios are participants)

And as far as the app dropping any day now (I think the "prediction" was Oct 26). That was a single guy on Reddit who said "I'm an insider at Amazon. Trust me" and all the tech sites ran with it. It was never substantiated.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


BTW:

tvOS 11.1 is available in Software Update.. fixes include a KRACK/WPA patch, patches for internal WebKit browser, no new features.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Anyone try the 11.2 beta yet?

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Zero One posted:

Anyone try the 11.2 beta yet?

I'm on it I think. Seems fine.

fivehead
Jul 11, 2017

Americans Need Cash Now
11.2 will feature refresh rate switching

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Yeah I went ahead and downloaded it. The option is there to allow apps to switch (you can pick rate, HDR, or both) but the apps themselves need to be updated to use it.

Nothing else new I have seen.

Granite Octopus
Jun 24, 2008

Zero One posted:

Yeah I went ahead and downloaded it. The option is there to allow apps to switch (you can pick rate, HDR, or both) but the apps themselves need to be updated to use it.

Nothing else new I have seen.

Does this apply to the old v4 Apple TV as well, or the 4K one only?

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy

Thwomp posted:

Correct. YouTube (and Google) push VP9 for 4K content. Apple doesn't support VP9. So don't expect to see 4K content available via YouTube anytime soon.

Actually youtube does provide 4k30fp SDR in apple compatible h264 through its api's but not through the browser.
You can download 4k from youtube using youtube-dl, open it in quicktime and airplay it to the appletv4k .

However 4k60fps and HDR are only available in vp9 and apple only supports hevc for 4k60fps.


code:
youtube-dl [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcEVbVrNIyg[/url] -F
[youtube] FcEVbVrNIyg: Downloading webpage
[youtube] FcEVbVrNIyg: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] FcEVbVrNIyg: Extracting video information
[youtube] FcEVbVrNIyg: Downloading MPD manifest
[info] Available formats for FcEVbVrNIyg:
format code  extension  resolution note
139          m4a        audio only DASH audio   48k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.5@ 48k (22050Hz)
249          webm       audio only DASH audio   53k , opus @ 50k, 500.07KiB
250          webm       audio only DASH audio   70k , opus @ 70k, 659.24KiB
171          webm       audio only DASH audio  126k , vorbis@128k, 1.18MiB
140          m4a        audio only DASH audio  127k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz)
251          webm       audio only DASH audio  137k , opus @160k, 1.27MiB
278          webm       256x144    144p  103k , webm container, vp9, 30fps, video only, 963.48KiB
160          mp4        256x144    DASH video  113k , avc1.4d400c, 30fps, video only
330          webm       256x144    144p60 HDR  155k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 1.46MiB
331          webm       426x240    240p60 HDR  230k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 2.18MiB
242          webm       426x240    240p  243k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 2.17MiB
133          mp4        426x240    DASH video  248k , avc1.4d4015, 30fps, video only
332          webm       640x360    360p60 HDR  487k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 4.61MiB
243          webm       640x360    360p  539k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 4.09MiB
134          mp4        640x360    DASH video  642k , avc1.4d401e, 30fps, video only
244          webm       854x480    480p  879k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 7.42MiB
333          webm       854x480    480p60 HDR  913k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 8.60MiB
135          mp4        854x480    DASH video 1244k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only
247          webm       1280x720   720p 1873k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 14.99MiB
334          webm       1280x720   720p60 HDR 2070k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 19.36MiB
136          mp4        1280x720   720p 2532k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 22.55MiB
302          webm       1280x720   720p60 3122k , vp9, 60fps, video only, 25.64MiB
248          webm       1920x1080  1080p 3205k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 26.50MiB
335          webm       1920x1080  1080p60 HDR 3487k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 32.84MiB
298          mp4        1280x720   DASH video 3520k , avc1.4d4020, 60fps, video only
137          mp4        1920x1080  1080p 4501k , avc1.640028, 30fps, video only, 39.02MiB
303          webm       1920x1080  1080p60 5277k , vp9, 60fps, video only, 42.91MiB
299          mp4        1920x1080  DASH video 5875k , avc1.64002a, 60fps, video only
271          webm       2560x1440  1440p 9096k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 81.98MiB
336          webm       2560x1440  1440p60 HDR 9659k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 87.94MiB
264          mp4        2560x1440  DASH video 10553k , avc1.640032, 30fps, video only
308          webm       2560x1440  1440p60 13354k , vp9, 60fps, video only, 124.04MiB
313          webm       3840x2160  2160p 18155k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 167.32MiB
337          webm       3840x2160  2160p60 HDR 19385k , vp9.2, 60fps, video only, 174.43MiB
266          mp4        3840x2160  DASH video 23302k , avc1.640033, 30fps, video only
315          webm       3840x2160  2160p60 26842k , vp9, 60fps, video only, 251.33MiB
17           3gp        176x144    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k
36           3gp        320x180    small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2
43           webm       640x360    medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k
18           mp4        640x360    medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k
22           mp4        1280x720   hd720 , avc1.64001F, mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

It's fun that format wars somehow managed to transcend physical media.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

qirex posted:

It's fun that format wars somehow managed to transcend physical media.

It's been this way since the fight over the <video> tag. Apple consistently takes the position of standards consortiums and their patent licensing scheme, and Google (and the small numbers of people who use free Linux distros and want to see them legally do the things they want to do) making a free-to-license alternative.

There's usually rational arguments for why Apple takes the tack they do, which comes down to "standards should be adhered to" and whether Google's solutions really are free of patent issues, but as someone who thinks computers should have the option of doing things people want to do whether or not someone pays for a software license I can understand where they're coming from.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Nov 10, 2017

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

The VP* patent bullshit has been around and never credible since it launched. H.264 itself had patent infringement issues that were only resolved because the court ruled that the owner as a member of the consortium had to include it in the license pool.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



On ATP, Siracusa said he's on the 11.2 beta and the framerate switching works as expected in the Apple Movies app, but he hasn't tried anything else since he doesn't expect anything to be updated to use it yet.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

Endless Mike posted:

On ATP, Siracusa said he's on the 11.2 beta and the framerate switching works as expected in the Apple Movies app, but he hasn't tried anything else since he doesn't expect anything to be updated to use it yet.

afaik anything that uses the native video player should just werk, though there are likely to be outliers yeah

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Keep bustin'
I'm about to upgrade my internet and cut some cords, so I may finally replace my 3rd gen Apple TV. Does the 4K offer improved app performance over 4th gen? Don't care much if UHD is the only draw, though future-proofing it wouldn't be too bad I guess.

VVVVV e: sweet, thanks!

Minidust fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Nov 21, 2017

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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Minidust posted:

I'm about to upgrade my internet and cut some cords, so I may finally replace my 3rd gen Apple TV. Does the 4K offer improved app performance over 4th gen? Don't care much if UHD is the only draw, though future-proofing it wouldn't be too bad I guess.

I mean, it's a two-generation newer processor, and the enhanced version of it at that, and actively cooled. It drat well better in theory. Though in practice, nothing I use is anything that really messes with the old one, and using both regularly, I don't really notice any difference. It'll be supported longer, though, which is probably important, since I'm not really sure what they can add in the future to make an upgrade worth it.

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