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Ashcans posted:Please don't engage with John Smith, your health insurance isn't going to cover the damage you do to yourself. Not empty quoting. paragon1 posted:Man I'm glad I have that guy on ignore. Same For reference based on what i saw quoted, I'm another upper bracket haver who would be ok with more taxes as long as it for services for people going without, and wasn't just spent on more bombs for brown people or another tax cut on the ultra wealthy. Of course, that's exactly the scenario I'm looking at with the republican tax plan.
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I've worn sweatpants at work for 16 of the last 17 days. Since I've been at home. Switching from a large international consulting agency to local startup has paid off :-) Sadly, I'm also dumb so John Smith posted:I think you are cool, and this isn't directed specifically at you. The US spends significantly more on health care per capita than any other country, more or less leading in expenditure from both the public and private sector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita It should also be noted that the next ranked countries by health expenditure after the US have similar costs of living https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp and similar GDP per capita, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita with the countries closest on health expenditure per capita outperforming the US on both measures. Yet outcomes are significantly worse. More or less all of the top 30 by health expenditure, except the US, have universal health care, by a functioning system of either public service or effective private insurance. And it shows, for instance the US is ranked 31st on life expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy So clearly, the US system performs well and reformers are just looking for a free lunch.
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Nov 8, 2017 22:13
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Just after an hour and a half in a conference call/webex training the trainer realized that he hard muted everyone's lines and he was not looking at the question queue. After a few seconds of radio silence he comes back onto the line and says "we have 800 questions in the queue from the last hour, we will not be answering them." Then hung up and ended the webex. Since the webex was ended abruptly and not closed out correclty we did not get credit for the training and it has been rescheduled for next week...I love corporate America!
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Nov 8, 2017 22:24
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hhhmmm posted:I've worn sweatpants at work for 16 of the last 17 days. Since I've been at home. Switching from a large international consulting agency to local startup has paid off :-) Yeah, no. Spending raw cash doesn't solve these problems. Spending it wisely does.
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Samizdata posted:Yeah, no. Spending raw cash doesn't solve these problems. Spending it wisely does. We have a ton of experts and advanced things that cost a lot, so wealthy people from other countries come to have things done, but lots of regular Americans can't afford basic healthcare things, or even tangential healthcare things. I see a lot of people around here with multiple dead and rotting teeth (the smell  ) that they can't afford to have removed, and that's actually a totally different insurance.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:36
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fastbilly1 posted:Just after an hour and a half in a conference call/webex training the trainer realized that he hard muted everyone's lines and he was not looking at the question queue. After a few seconds of radio silence he comes back onto the line and says "we have 800 questions in the queue from the last hour, we will not be answering them." Then hung up and ended the webex. Since the webex was ended abruptly and not closed out correclty we did not get credit for the training and it has been rescheduled for next week...I love corporate America! Jesus. gently caress that guy.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:49
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So at my new job I literally have like fifteen minutes of work to do every day and it’s making me loving crazy. God drat this is legit worse than jobs I’ve had that require 12 hour days.
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readingatwork posted:So at my new job I literally have like fifteen minutes of work to do every day and it’s making me loving crazy. God drat this is legit worse than jobs I’ve had that require 12 hour days. the solution is in your username
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Nov 9, 2017 02:20
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DELETE CASCADE posted:the solution is in your username Where do you think I am right now? 
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Shugojin posted:We have a ton of experts and advanced things that cost a lot, so wealthy people from other countries come to have things done, but lots of regular Americans can't afford basic healthcare things, or even tangential healthcare things. I see a lot of people around here with multiple dead and rotting teeth (the smell Yeah, we have a lot of expensive idiots, many of which have personal agendas... And the partitioning of insurance has NEVER made sense to me.
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fastbilly1 posted:Just after an hour and a half in a conference call/webex training the trainer realized that he hard muted everyone's lines and he was not looking at the question queue. After a few seconds of radio silence he comes back onto the line and says "we have 800 questions in the queue from the last hour, we will not be answering them." Then hung up and ended the webex. Since the webex was ended abruptly and not closed out correclty we did not get credit for the training and it has been rescheduled for next week...I love corporate America! You work for a french-owned bank don't you
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Nov 9, 2017 04:33
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readingatwork posted:So at my new job I literally have like fifteen minutes of work to do every day and it’s making me loving crazy. God drat this is legit worse than jobs I’ve had that require 12 hour days. We have someone whose role is to monitor the incoming queue for our hardware repair team, hand out loaners or hot swap units to techs, and pass out parts to the techs. Handling the incoming queue means dealing with mis-routes, obviously bad info from 1st level, and making the "we have four hours for the actual tech to actually contact you" communications. That's maybe three hours a day. The poor bastard shares a small office with his boss. For $15/hr. In South San Francisco.
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Nov 9, 2017 04:53
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Just had work dinner at very nice restaurant. Sometimes I really like my job.
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fastbilly1 posted:Just after an hour and a half in a conference call/webex training the trainer realized that he hard muted everyone's lines and he was not looking at the question queue. After a few seconds of radio silence he comes back onto the line and says "we have 800 questions in the queue from the last hour, we will not be answering them." Then hung up and ended the webex. Since the webex was ended abruptly and not closed out correclty we did not get credit for the training and it has been rescheduled for next week...I love corporate America! 
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Nov 9, 2017 11:35
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hhhmmm posted:So clearly, the US system performs well and reformers are just looking for a free lunch.
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Nov 9, 2017 13:49
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Ah yes, we should maintain the status quo because change might be hard for some, or all of us.
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Nov 9, 2017 14:15
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HECK YEAH everyone it's time to do some ONLINE TRAININGS *aggressively mashes next*
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Nov 9, 2017 14:32
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There's three guys who share my first name here. Start applying elsewhere Y/N?
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Nov 9, 2017 14:46
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FrozenVent posted:Ah yes, we should maintain the status quo because change might be hard for some, or all of us. John Smith posted:But I suspect that most of the people here are full of poo poo. America's healthcare system can certainly be improved, and I do think it *should* be improved. But I suspect that the people here just want a free lunch. They want all of the benefits and none of the costs. Man, I am sure owning you guys.  Hypocrites are easy to take out, think it is the self-guilt that makes you guys so easy. 10-ish? people replied to my challenge and taqueso was the only one who admitted he wouldn't be willing to cough up the dough. You other guys are pathetic.(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 9, 2017 15:06
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FrozenVent posted:There's three guys who share my first name here. Yes because eventually someone will rely on auto fill at a crucial moment and you're going to deal with someone else's bullshit.
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Nov 9, 2017 15:33
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FrozenVent posted:There's three guys who share my first name here. Depends which of you get which nicknames
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Nov 9, 2017 15:44
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They all do wildly different stuff than I do, so I can just reply with "wrong frozen" and move on with my life. Also John Smith is now developing a new argumentative technique, a strange mix of ad hominem and straw man. Ad Terriculum?
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Nov 9, 2017 15:47
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John Smith is the first and only person on my ignore list. And I've frequented threads where PCOS Bill posts.
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Nov 9, 2017 16:07
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Assuming everyone agrees with you and is a hypocrite if they don't state so is a special kind of fallacy
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Nov 9, 2017 16:10
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Everyone hates libertarian policies when they're actually implemented, and everyone hates libertarians online. Because of our poor reading comprehension!
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I don't know if it even works out as a logical argument anyway. I pay 10% of my salary towards National Insurance which covers the NHS and various forms of social security benefits. I'm pretty sure that most Americans at my income level would have to pay significantly more than 10% of their salary for the level of coverage the NHS offers (i.e. 100% coverage, £0 deductible with a £10 fee for prescription items, or pay circa £100 a year for all your prescriptions). I'm pretty sure if you presented that as the option, everyone except for the ultra rich would snap your hand off.
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Fil5000 posted:I don't know if it even works out as a logical argument anyway. I pay 10% of my salary towards National Insurance which covers the NHS and various forms of social security benefits. I'm pretty sure that most Americans at my income level would have to pay significantly more than 10% of their salary for the level of coverage the NHS offers (i.e. 100% coverage, £0 deductible with a £10 fee for prescription items, or pay circa £100 a year for all your prescriptions). I'm pretty sure if you presented that as the option, everyone except for the ultra rich would snap your hand off. it's actually even easier than that, british per-capita government spending is actually lower than US per-capita government spending (about the same as a % of GDP iirc). the US then spends that much again in private spending. and note that this is only counting direct spending, not the huge amount of money the US spends on tax subsidies for private health insurance the UK is a bit of an outlier in how cost-effective the NHS is, but basically every first-world country beats the poo poo out of the US in this regard 
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:it's actually even easier than that, british per-capita government spending is actually lower than US per-capita government spending (about the same as a % of GDP iirc). the US then spends that much again in private spending. and note that this is only counting direct spending, not the huge amount of money the US spends on tax subsidies for private health insurance And that is why the Conservative party wants it dead. No proving the free market wrong!
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FrozenVent posted:Also John Smith is now developing a new argumentative technique, a strange mix of ad hominem and straw man. Ad Terriculum? Shugojin posted:Assuming everyone agrees with you and is a hypocrite if they don't state so is a special kind of fallacy Halloween Jack posted:Everyone hates libertarian policies when they're actually implemented, and everyone hates libertarians online. Fil5000 posted:I don't know if it even works out as a logical argument anyway. I pay 10% of my salary towards National Insurance which covers the NHS and various forms of social security benefits. I'm pretty sure that most Americans at my income level would have to pay significantly more than 10% of their salary for the level of coverage the NHS offers (i.e. 100% coverage, £0 deductible with a £10 fee for prescription items, or pay circa £100 a year for all your prescriptions). I'm pretty sure if you presented that as the option, everyone except for the ultra rich would snap your hand off.
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My point is more that the current level of pain for most americans is more than the 10% I pay towards my delicious socialised healthcare. If you're defining "pain" as "no longer having the option to choose between death and crippling levels of debt" then sure, you're right.
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Fil5000 posted:My point is more that the current level of pain for most americans is more than the 10% I pay towards my delicious socialised healthcare. If you're defining "pain" as "no longer having the option to choose between death and crippling levels of debt" then sure, you're right.
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Well, found out my benefits arent going to change that badly. Bi weekly premiums of $80 instead of $60 for a family plan. My $8000 deductable sucks a big one though. Hooray i guess.
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FAUXTON posted:You work for a french-owned bank don't you
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John Smith posted:So, therefore you conclude that these reforms will involve no pain whatsoever, and everybody will jump on-board cheerfully and with much goodwill? You do understand there's a middle ground between a change causing so much pain to so many people that it is impossible to bring it about, and it involving "no pain whatsoever", right? Lots of people, myself included, would be willing to pay more taxes for a better, more equitable healthcare system. Your argument appears to be "that's not true and you're a hypocrite", which doesn't make much sense. You said there should be change in the health care system, how do you propose doing it so that literally every person is thrilled about the changes, and why do you find that to be a necessary requirement in the first place? Help I am responding to John Smith, I apologize thread.
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fastbilly1 posted:I wish, instead I work in the dumpster fire known as large scale telecom   I got to listen to a vendor rip one of our departments a new one yesterday and it was loving hilarious and completely deserved. "So you made this change yesterday, and it broke stuff, so you rolled it back" "yeah" "so you made the same change today, and now stuff's broken again?" "yeah" "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT"
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I work in QC, but our managers roll up to the same business unit that we are performing QC reviews on. Now the head of the business unit is upset that bonuses are down by some double digit percentage, and wants to know why. It is because we started holding people accountable for adhering to policies and procedures for a particular issue that is really important, and their quality review scores are a component of qualifying for their bonus. We tried holding them accountable a year ago, and they threw a fit because the procedure didn't tell them every little step of what they had to do, even though most of it was self-evident. Over months, we had a series of changes and clarifications made to their procedure, had their training department sign off of them and provide additional training, and then the first round of reviews we backed of and issued warnings instead of findings on the review. Everyone was aware of the changes and had received training as to what their responsibilities are. Now that their bonuses are being affected this guy is pressuring us to roll it back again and set the findings aside so they can all get their bonuses. And he will probably get his way because he is my boss's boss's boss.
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It's a great week for candidate interviews. Guy #1 no-showed, guy #2 was 45 minutes late, and guy #3 hasn't yet responded to a week-old phone message and e-mail to confirm his itinerary. I'm sitting here with an opening for a six-figure engineering job at one of the best employee-treating companies in my industry, and I have motherfucking no-shows? Seriously? Edit: VVVVV True! Sundae fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Look on the sunny side: Had these people shown up they would almost certainly have been a complete waste of your time. It's not always a bad thing when lazy and/or disorganized people self-select themselves out of your candidate pool!
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