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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

does China's actions in Africa and the Spratlys constitute imperialism?

If yes, is there a wing of leftism that acknowledges this, the way they do, say, American imperialism?

I'm wary of jumping to conclusions insofar as handwringing about dredging ships creating new missile bases in the South China Sea is almost exclusively a right-wing talking point

Chinese neocolonialism is imperialism in an abstracted, Leninist sense - where imperialism isn't simply an overt political control of the periphery, but the way that capital itself projects into the colonized world to exploit its productive forces. This can lead people who are extremely weak on theory to do stupid poo poo like compare Chinese neocolonialism to Japanese imperialism. They're not the same thing, but the problem of neocolonialism is its insidious appearance of innocuousness.

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Rhukatah
Feb 26, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Wow, blaming the victim.

So the Qing didn't have it coming? Nice double standard you've got there for an imperialist invader dynasty. Way to prove Rudatron's stupid point by your own logic :smug::smugbert::smugbird::smugdog::fsmug:

A real crime of the British was helping the Qing stifle internal reform and then preventing their overthrow. In that sense British imperialism created the need for a Great Leap Forward.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Rhukatah posted:

This was a good joke because Qing refusal to treat with foreigners on equal terms was the root cause of those humiliations.

this is actually pretty untrue: the qing were fine with treating the russians on equal terms going as far back as the 17th century

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I just wan t a high speed rail on the west coast of the USA before Africa gets one from China. Rich Chinese are buying all of our homes, the least they could do is fund a high speed rail!

pushpins
Sep 11, 2006


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NNick posted:

I just wan t a high speed rail on the west coast of the USA before Africa gets one from China. Rich Chinese are buying all of our homes, the least they could do is fund a high speed rail!

Jerry Browns high speed rail is not going to be very high speed and should be completed sometime in 2040 only 2 trillion over budget

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Wow, blaming the victim.

*recieves peace envoys*

*tortures them*

"what do you mean we 'shouldn't have done that'? man theses foreign barbarians are nuts"

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Typo posted:

oh yeah and Katyn massacre was committed by the gestapo too

im the guy in the thread giving the gestapo the benefit of doubt

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Fallen Hamprince posted:

*recieves peace envoys*

*tortures them*

"what do you mean we 'shouldn't have done that'? man theses foreign barbarians are nuts"

Fallen Hamprince is the retard in the audience that cheered when Peter Mensah's character in 300 gets kicked into the well

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

my ex in shaoxing has to pay $150k a year in rent just so she keep her 200 square foot textile store in business, and that industry has high and low points every year. she went immediately back to work after she had her son partially out of need. the chinese government would not allow her to name her son "Amir" (her husband is pakistani and that's the name they agreed upon) so that's part of the reason why she went to the US to have him. many chinese cities have gotten ridiculously unaffordable in the last 10 years

in short, chinese socialism loving rules and we should all be subjected to it

get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 20:27 on Nov 11, 2017

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

get that OUT of my face posted:

my ex in shaoxing has to pay $150k a year in rent just so she keep her 200 square foot textile store in business, and that industry has high and low points every year. she went immediately back to work after she had her son partially out of need. the chinese government would not allow her to name her son "Amir" (her husband is pakistani and that's the name they agreed upon) so that's part of the reason why she went to the US to have him. many chinese cities have gotten ridiculously unaffordable in the last 10 years

in short, chinese socialism loving rules and we should all be subjected to it

Gentrification at 4x speed

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

With the magic of prefab mass production and central planning, you can gentrify decades in advance.

Kudaros
Jun 23, 2006

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Why does Chinese citizenship even matter?

It doesn't. I'm just curious. There's a research program that I find very interesting and I could see myself living there for a number of years in the medium term. There are appear to be many opportunities for scientists of a certain stripe in China.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Kudaros posted:

It doesn't. I'm just curious. There's a research program that I find very interesting and I could see myself living there for a number of years in the medium term. There are appear to be many opportunities for scientists of a certain stripe in China.

It shouldn't be too hard to get permanent residence as a researcher.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
Just don't call yourself a sinologist

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

How do pop booms work again? I've got creche+planned+democracy and it doesn't seem to be firing

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

StashAugustine posted:

How do pop booms work again? I've got creche+planned+democracy and it doesn't seem to be firing


quote:

To pop boom a city one needs:

+6 growth
+2 nutrients (that is two nutrients more than what the city consumes)

For most factions (Gaia, Uni, Believers, Sparta & PK). This can be achieved by:

Building a children's creche (+2 growth).
Choosing Democratic/Planned in Social Engineering (+2 growth each)

Once you have done this and provide the +2 nutrients by working nutrient rich squares or using crawlers to supply nutrients your city will take off in size. As long as above conditions are in place it will even grow during drone riots.

It will keep on growing one in size per turn until you either are unable to provide the +2 nutrients or you hit a limit where you need a facility (Hab complex or Hab dome) for the city to get larger.

Some factions cannot achieve the +6 growth needed to pop boom until very late in the game when Eudamonia becomes available as a social engineering choice.

They are Hive (cannot use democracy) and Morgan (cannot use planned). Of the Smac-x factions they are Cyborgs (-1 growth), Pirates (-1 growth) and Usurpers (cannot use democracy).

In Smac-x you do however have another chance of acquiring the +6 growth which is to have the city enter a golden age (requires no drones and minimum half population is talents). Golden ages give +2 growth. This requires switching citizens to talents/transcends and/or boosting your psych allotment until the city is in Golden Age. A Golden Age is indicated with the city name in white on the F4 screen.

In classic smac pop booming with golden ages does not work - even with the patches installed.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Weird, I have all that and it's not booming

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

StashAugustine posted:

Weird, I have all that and it's not booming

r u sure you have +2 nutrients and ur city isn't limited by lack of hab complex cuz that's what I was missing

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
I gotta say, I've got a lot more respect for Pener now that I know he admits China is imperialist.

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
If only anyone gave a gently caress what you thought

JEB! is a mess!

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

How do pop booms work again? I've got creche+planned+democracy and it doesn't seem to be firing

research nukes

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Autism Sneaks posted:

If only anyone gave a gently caress what you thought

JEB! is a mess!

Whoa, who pissed in your cheerios.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Homeless Friend posted:

research nukes

Slow down there, Gandhi!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
I just looked up Beyond Earth's factions and holy poo poo they're literally just (Insert Modern Ethnicity Here)... IN SPACE!!!

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
beyond earth is bad

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

rudatron posted:

beyond earth is bad

Never played it but drat, it just looks like a Civ 5 cosmetic mod.

I do like the idea of affinities though, but it looks like they just reskin your units, rather than change your playstyle

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Dreddout posted:

I just looked up Beyond Earth's factions and holy poo poo they're literally just (Insert Modern Ethnicity Here)... IN SPACE!!!

Is there a Code of Honor Planet of the Blacks style faction?

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
the problem with the affinity system is that it doesn't really represent a player choice, where you sacrifice somethign to get another thing

it's entirely based on which path down the tech tree you take, and because not all techs are equally valuable, you end up getting railroaded down certain paths

in concept, it's not bad, and there's acutally some interesting ideas: each affinity gets a unique tile improvement, and they're all different.

In practice, they're all trash, you're better off sticking with farms + mines, and the combat system overly favors ranged units.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

beyond earth is civ 5 with less flavor and worse balance

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Bip Roberts posted:

Is there a Code of Honor Planet of the Blacks style faction?
there's an africa civ, and they're not that bad, but tall the factions are basically really bland and uninteresting

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
they're also the biggest cucks in the game, which is saying something, because most of the factions are pretty cuck

a blank panther civ would have owned, but we weren't that lucky

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Bip Roberts posted:

Is there a Code of Honor Planet of the Blacks style faction?

All the factions/"backers" are colonists just arriving to not-Proxima Centauri b, so they aren't SMAC/Star Trek-like exaggerated civilizations yet. Africa is represented mostly by the People's African Union, though northern Africa is described as having cozied up to the Franco-Iberian European Union. Neither are remotely as interesting as Morgan Industries or Peacekeeping Forces.

Autism Sneaks has issued a correction as of 05:25 on Nov 12, 2017

Grimoire
Jul 9, 2003
Gonna dissent here, Civ:BE is kinda neat. Like a more upbeat, optimistic (but still grim) SMAC. The civics are cool as hell, Space Africa and Pacific guys are interesting in their background philosophies, and I've never met a tech quote I didn't like. The affinity counter actually mattering kicks in way too late and trade routes are a loving mess though.

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



beyond earth is boring garbage, sorry

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

HerraS posted:

beyond earth is beyond garbage, sorry

also civ in general :owned:

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



da, this is true, embrace paradox games


time to fire up hearts of iron four again and have trotsky lead the world into permanent revolution :ussr:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

HerraS posted:

da, this is true, embrace paradox games


time to fire up hearts of iron four again and have trotsky lead the world into permanent revolution :ussr:

Unmodded Hoi4 kinda sucks tbh

90% of the countries have the same exact national focus, and you can't really do anything thing interesting with the major powers.

It feels really hollow, and it's kinda pathetic how modders have basically improved the game in every conceivable way with really obvious changes.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Autism Sneaks posted:

though northern Africa is described as having cozied up to the Franco-Iberian European Union.

This seems incredibly problematic as a take

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

ceo: our baijiu is so strong/poisonous it's basically jet fuel

marketing exec: say no more fam

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

apparently the factions in Beyond Earth do have unique cultures and philosophies, but it's all in supplementary material and not covered in the actual game.

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