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Fray posted:As a point of clarification, Earth has zero rights to this system or anything in it. The same treaty that requires us to notify them also bars them from entering it. Yeah but the last time a treaty said they couldn't go into a system where there was cool alien tech they mobilized their fleet.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:45
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Nevets posted:Yeah but the last time a treaty said they couldn't go into a system where there was cool alien tech they mobilized their fleet. Sure but this time they'll have to find the right hole first.
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Nov 13, 2017 21:54
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Tell Earth, but don't give them all the gory details. Let them know we've made contact etc., but don't request assistance or give them tapes or anything like that.,
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Nov 13, 2017 22:17
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Nevets posted:Yeah but the last time a treaty said they couldn't go into a system where there was cool alien tech they mobilized their fleet. If Earth gets lovely over the treaty and wants to have a war over it, we can have a war over it. The military situation is a lot more favorable than during the original Rangi crisis. But we'll address that if it arises.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:22
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Inform Terra. We currently don't need further assistance, but that may change.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:24
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Im voting Yes as well. We need to not let this surprise Earth further down the line. We didn't fire first and that is the most important thing.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:31
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Lets theorize a bit: Let us assume that Earth has not met these aliens yet. Upon contact with hostile aliens, the following things will happen: 1: Earth will request more information, and will want to have observers in our systems (bad), we could likely counterdemand to have observers in their systems as well, I have never played Aurora, but I think we found more stuff then Earth did, as such being able to see each others stuff probably benefits Earth more then us. 2: Earth will likely retool/respecialize a at least a portion of their fleet to be more effective vs. Aliens and thus likely less effective vs Martians (good) 3: I would assume that Earth and Mars will negotiate some additional trust building measures to make some type of "splendid first strike" scenarios less likely. (good) Let us assume that Earth has met these aliens already, that things happened mostly the same as they did with us. 1: Earth Goons will have the same discussion as here, I would assume that the reformists would be more in favor of telling us, while the beurocracy will be against. An outcome in which we tell them force would likely force them to tell us as well, thus indirectly damaging the Terran faction more hostile to Mars. (good) 2: We will likely impress Earths military because our first engagement went pretty well all things considered. (good) 3: If Earth had previous contact hostile contact, and didnt warn us, and gets the data showing that we didnt strike first, well, military people would guilt trip about that quite a bit and become potentially recruitable intel assets. What I think becomes clear is that, if we decide to tell them, we should imho politely brag about kicking Alien rear end as well.
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Nov 13, 2017 23:07
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Can we just stop telling Terra things. I know we signed a treaty, but gently caress the lunar accords they were a bad deal that was made because everyone was scared. No They can figure things out the proper way via spies and backchannels. OwlFancier posted:We got heavily damaged by what, half of our tonnage in ships? 3/5 ships were utterly useless for the engagement, I wouldn't read too much into this fight. The Azrael's did a fine job and with a few modifications will be very good at Nebula fights. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Nov 13, 2017 23:24
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Yes to minimal treaty obligations of telling them. Yes, we met aliens. Yes, they are hostile and intelligent. No, you can't come and look at them. No, you can't have any tech from them (what tech? we didn't get any tech) If you are concerned about potentially needing to fight them in the future then start building beam ships with good armour and speed.
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Nov 13, 2017 23:38
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YES also tell them we’re getting slaughtered out here don’t investigate!
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Nov 13, 2017 23:53
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Jack2142 posted:Can we just stop telling Terra things. I know we signed a treaty, but gently caress the lunar accords they were a bad deal that was made because everyone was scared. They did a fine job because they had a lot of ablative hit points in the other ships in the squadron which only contributed by diverting fire from the Azraels. I would have to check what size our Azraels are, but I believe that the enemy squadron was approximately half the tonnage of the two Azraels in total, completely disregarding our non-combat-effective hulls, and furthermore they had a lot more of their total tonnage as a percentage taken up by redundant systems (an engine for each of them, etc) than our ships did. If that had been a single destroyer-equivalent ship with equal tonnage to one of our destroyers, or if the LACs had concentrated their fire on the ships capable of harming them, we would have lost our entire squadron. We only won because we got lucky.
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Nov 14, 2017 00:03
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We fought an enemy that was probably 2+ tech levels beyond us and was optimized for nebulae to boot. And on top of that we handicapped ourselves by voting to not fire as they closed to their weapon range. It ain't shocking that we struggled.
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Nov 14, 2017 00:26
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Jack2142 posted:3/5 ships were utterly useless for the engagement, I wouldn't read too much into this fight. The Azrael's did a fine job and with a few modifications will be very good at Nebula fights. they were mobile ablation shields, that's not useless. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 00:29
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 Normally I would run the vote longer but yes appears to have won overwhelmingly. Terra will be minimally informed after word reaches Mars. 7 Jan, 0503hrs  The 1st Destroyer Squadron reforms and heads for the comet to land it's exploration party.  Arriving over the comet the destroyers are slowly repairing their internals. 7 Jan, 1303hrs  The Cornucopia of Excellent Goods at Low Prices is underway to conduct SAR/Capture operations on the alien survivors but is still hundreds of millions of km away. The rest of the main fleet reforms and seeing the destroyers don't need any further help heads insystem to inspect the planets there.  More repairs are carried out of the Destroyers. 8th Jan, 0303hrs  The main force continues insystem. 8th Jan, 1133hrs  Approaching the gas giant with no interference General Yooper orders the fleet to switch on its scout actives.  The powerful sensor will pick up anything 3000T or over within the inner system. 8th Jan, 1343hrs  Swinging past the gas giant and it's many moons the combat ships head out to perform close scans of the other two planets while the support ships settle into a low orbit.  Survey ships disperse among the whirling moons to begin looking for TNE's or any hidden ruins or installations. 8th Jan, 1903hrs  The combat ships head for the inner planet. So far nothing seems to have responded to them blaring powerful active emissions all over the inner system. 9th Jan, 0439hrs  Passing the inner planet with no contacts they head for the third planet to the south. The plan is to closely inspect it then take up positions around the inner system jump point to intercept anything coming through. The Olympos Mons Pubis is about half way to the Ranginui jump point and reporting home.    Forty one million km away space shudders, tears and a massive ship steps into the system.   The Sensors of the Exploration fleet shriek alerts. Thirty-four thousand tons, 2720 Thermal emission and no EM emission (EM sensors are disabled by transit.) Yooper stares at his display aghast, the single ship masses almost as much as an entire cruiser squadron and is nearly three times the size of the new Hellas class Dreadnoughts. "What have we gotten ourselves into now" he thinks. Combat ships of 1/2 Cru Squad and 1 Des Squad Saros fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 01:50
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If these are the Shivans, here come the Sathanes... GG, folks.
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Nov 14, 2017 01:54
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run the gently caress away
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Nov 14, 2017 01:57
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Lieutenant-General frankenfreak to Kommandant-General Yooper: Let's get the hell outta here!
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Nov 14, 2017 01:59
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Y'know, are we sure it's actually a warship? Could just be a fortuitously timed supply ship or something. It would be loving hilarious if we get chased out of the system by some tramp freighter.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:00
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Whoopsie Daisy.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:01
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Dont fire until fired on, they may be friendly!
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Nov 14, 2017 02:09
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So...this is a bad thing, right?
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Nov 14, 2017 02:12
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Does Aurora let us (the player) know whether these ships are civilian or military? Or is that a SM decision?
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Nov 14, 2017 02:13
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This is not a bad thing Yes it is a surprise, take a moment, deep breaths and then calmly take stock of the situation. This is amazing
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Nov 14, 2017 02:17
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Volmarias posted:Does Aurora let us (the player) know whether these ships are civilian or military? Or is that a SM decision? No way to tell until it starts shooting. Sometimes you can tell by size, but this is right in the sweetspot where it could either be a small freighter or a fuckoff huge battleship.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:19
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Defeat and capture the 34k ton (possibly) jump capable ship and take it home
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Nov 14, 2017 02:21
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Let's get ourselves a new spaceship, boys and girls! I suppose this could be a new improved and friendly alien variety, but what are the odds?
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Nov 14, 2017 02:32
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This is fine.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:33
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So...did the game engine designate that new ship the "Shiva" or did Saros? Because if it's the former I want to know how its RNG perfectly timed the Freespace reference.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:34
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I told you!!! I bloody well told you!!! But no you wanted to go tangle with the Shivans and now here comes the first Sathanas or Lucifer class. Look grab anything we can and withdraw and then fortify this jump point with as many weapons and ships as we can muster.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:37
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Crazycryodude posted:No way to tell until it starts shooting. Sometimes you can tell by size, but this is right in the sweetspot where it could either be a small freighter or a fuckoff huge battleship. If it sends out an active sensor thats normally a good sign
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Nov 14, 2017 02:40
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:Defeat and capture the 34k ton (possibly) jump capable ship and take it home POOL IS CLOSED posted:Let's get ourselves a new spaceship, boys and girls! We currently have in system (combat capable);
We're packing about 24 DPS although with the Nebula & ECM we're probably talking ~40% hit rates at point blank Part of that armament is four (4) of our shiny 45cm laser cannon. The kind that punch through 11 layers of armour per hit and also provide shock damage that ignores arbitrarily thick armour. There are no shields in the nebula so these will rock it each and every time they hit Yes Shiva 001 is a threat, it probably is heavily armoured & armed. To us it is also a 34 thousand ton piñata  Bait it closer to the Ranganui JP if we can to make salvage easier and then mob it with everything Edit: And 4x Microwaves on the Pollux class! We can do this TheWetFish fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 02:41
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TheWetFish posted:We currently have in system (combat capable); Unless it's a carrier...
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Nov 14, 2017 02:45
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a carrier that big could carry 12 of those 1000 ton LACs pretty easy
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Nov 14, 2017 02:54
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Veloxyll posted:Unless it's a carrier... Good, that'd be a best case. Less of a threat from all the carrier inefficiencies. I'm pretty happy with 4 Pollux class etc against 12x 1K ton "Iron Duke" ships and then a free carrier piñata
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Nov 14, 2017 02:57
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Keep in mind, this is the one we see. It may have a few more buddies we just didn't catch in its shadow. I say cut emissions, reduce speed, and head on a vector back in the direction of our JP.
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Nov 14, 2017 02:58
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That's a pretty quick response time, no? It suggests at least a major installation on the other side of that JP. Such friendly neighbors.
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Nov 14, 2017 03:06
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It'd be optimal if we could avoid granting them jump recovery time, but I guess it's unavoidable.
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I doubt this is a rapid response force. I don't think the LAC had time to transit the jump point, if it even had jump engines (doubtful), and it would take a real paranoid species to put a jumpship on the jump point to act as a relay when their only in-system force is in cryosleep and to have a battleship/dreadnought sized vessel on active duty on top of the other side of the jump point (having ships hanging out in deep space is really rough in Aurora thanks to the supply/repair system). Furthermore, it's only a single ship. I don't think anyone would send a single ship through a hostile jump point as a rapid response force -- at the least they'd jump in a squadron of similarly sized ships. It's possible they have heavily baffled engines on some smaller ships that squadron transited with the Shiva-class, but we're close enough that it would take some serious passive stealth tech to prevent us from seeing them. I don't think active stealth can be used during a jump, so that rules that out. And I don't think it's a carrier because who the hell would combat jump a carrier as the beachhead? My guess is that this is a fortuitously-timed supply vessel of some sort. It might be a civilian LAC carrier, some sort of tanker or freighter, or maybe even a colony ship, but I'm skeptical of a single 34kton ship as a rapid response force.
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theory crafting, with theoretical +2 tech levels, how dangerous would a half kiloton fighter be that had 6 layers of armor and engines to put it to 7500km/s? carrier could carry 24 of those, but i dont see how anything that light would have weapons+ ecm+engines. and our PD ships would be rather dangerous to them either way.
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