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AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Fintilgin posted:

I wonder what it was. It could have been an external title too, I suppose.
Yeah the press release is from Paradox the Publisher, not Paradox Development Studio. It refers to some of the company's under the Publisher so any one of their developers could have cancelled a project. So unless something has changed regarding that division between Paradoxes, it was not necessarily something the goon hivemind even cared about.

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Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

It's probably whatever project Wiz was slated to be head of before Stellaris's launch got him slotted in there instead. I remember him tweeting about that during stellaris dev.

It's probable that Paradox is excerting more internal control in general. Wiz hasn't mentioned his dating sim for a while.

Demiurge4 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Nov 14, 2017

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I'm sure the loss of Victoria's Secret was a huge hit to their finances

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

StashAugustine posted:

I'm sure the loss of Victoria's Secret was a huge hit to their finances

Not as huge as the hit to my heart

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

StashAugustine posted:

I'm sure the loss of Victoria's Secret was a huge hit to their finances

Victoria's secret was a hobby project unaffiliated with paradox. I imagine the reason we haven't heard about it in a while is because he got told off advertising it on the same twitter he uses to advertise for paradox games.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

alternatively his day job and/or personal life are too draining to work on a hobby project. Or both.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

The project merged with At the Gates when Paradox started working with Schafer.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Or maybe it is what we here in the north call: "a djók", which is a strange thing where we say or do something comical and then do not beat it like a dead horse endlessly, as is the Anglo tradition

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Remember that a while back PDX was going to try to make a Viking-style rpg and that got cancelled so it's entirely possible that it's not a known IP and one of their attempts to branch out that's gone.

e: what the hell was I writing I meant Runemaster

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 14, 2017

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that

Alchenar posted:

Remember that a while back PDX was going to try to make a Viking-style rpg and that got cancelled so it's entirely possible that it's not a known IP and one of their attempts to branch out that's gone.

Vikings was a great game back in the day, and I would love a spiritual successor (does this exist? I would love to be wrong here). Just make sure to get Michael Dorn to do the voices again

Nicodemus Dumps
Jan 9, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink

The canceled project was in fact "Spiritual Successor", which would have combined ck's ruler succession system with a Pokemon-style ghost hunting game where you try to capture the spirits of responsible, level headed people and then marry them, ensuring that your estate is in good hands when you pass from this realm.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

popewiles posted:

The canceled project was in fact "Spiritual Successor", which would have combined ck's ruler succession system with a Pokemon-style ghost hunting game where you try to capture the spirits of responsible, level headed people and then marry them, ensuring that your estate is in good hands when you pass from this realm.

Sooo, ByzLP?

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
I´ve actually sometimes wondered about Paradox doing a horse breeding game, because 1) people that like horses are insane about them 2) there was a lot of stuff around it and it would be a cool look into history and whatnot and 3) horses are neat

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
https://twitter.com/podcat_paradox/status/930425189711663104

China National Focus tree coming to HoI4. Political paths to Mínzú/Mínquán/Mínshēng as Fascism or Neutrality/Democracy/Communism, maybe?

The Narrator fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Nov 15, 2017

ThisIsNoZaku
Apr 22, 2013

Pew Pew Pew!

Deceitful Penguin posted:

I´ve actually sometimes wondered about Paradox doing a horse breeding game, because 1) people that like horses are insane about them 2) there was a lot of stuff around it and it would be a cool look into history and whatnot and 3) horses are neat
A goon already has that market sewn up tight.

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

That's really the big DLC gap that has been waiting to be addressed - I'm surprised it wasn't one of the first two.

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

V for Vegas posted:

That's really the big DLC gap that has been waiting to be addressed - I'm surprised it wasn't one of the first two.

Agreed. There hasn't really been a clear direction for the upcoming DLC based on the Dev Diaries so far, just QoL fixes/some changes to game systems like Chain of Command, Decisions etc. I'm hoping this suggests a focus on improving the Asia-Pacific theatre

edit: I really hope that's the case, because HoI4 needs a big ticket item to put up there. Otherwise it feels like they'll just be spinning their wheels.

The Narrator fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Nov 15, 2017

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

The Narrator posted:

https://twitter.com/podcat_paradox/status/930425189711663104

China National Focus tree coming to HoI4. Political paths to Mínzú/Mínquán/Mínshēng as Fascism or Neutrality/Democracy/Communism, maybe?

My prayers have been answered. Finally I can experience beating back the Japanese while the ai collapses and I lose an army in a country that disappeared in an instant.

I'm legit excited and will probably buy this DLC day 1.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
:getin: Finally a HoI that does some justice to the Asian theater. Lets make the communists more fun to play as, no support from anyone needed.

中華的人民,抗日並動搖蔣介石的政權!

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Does the Paradox store follow the Euro = Dollar nonsense or is Jade Dragon seriously 20 bux?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

$15 USD

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
I mean, it isn't a huge issue, but effectively paying 18 dollars is nonsense.

Shoulda followed gog pricing~

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Shafer just left, "creative differences" being reason given. Wonder if it will ever be revealed what he was working on.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/11/17/jon-shafer-leaves-paradox/

quote:

Jon Shafer, the lead designer of Firaxis’s Civilization V and his own strategy game At the Gates, is gone from strategy specialists Paradox only six months after joining. Paradox say neither that he ditched the company nor that they fired him, rather that they have all “decided to part ways due to creative differences.” How enigmatic! We didn’t even know what he was working on.

Righto!

e: Bah, beaten.

I think one of these days I'm going to want to read a Jon Shafer autobiography. In a decade, maybe. What does his career in games look like through his eyes?

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

IncredibleIgloo posted:

Shafer just left, "creative differences" being reason given. Wonder if it will ever be revealed what he was working on.

I wonder if it's the same project they had to write off...

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Maybe he kept going into meetings and saying stuff like "You know, I've noticed that EU4 ends in 1821, and HOI4 starts in 1936..."

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Johan was all "I want you to finish a game" and Jon was all "Dude that's not my creative process"


e: like Paradox never finish their games, but that doesn't stop them from shipping

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011
Any info on how long that will delay AtG's new album?

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Alchenar posted:

Johan was all "I want you to finish a game" and Jon was all "Dude that's not my creative process"

:lol: As an At the Gates backer, I'm pretty sure it was this.

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Alchenar posted:

Johan was all "I want you to finish a game" and Jon was all "Dude that's not my creative process"

:vince:

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Alchenar posted:

Johan was all "I want you to finish a game" and Jon was all "Dude that's not my creative process"

This is canon.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

IncredibleIgloo posted:

Shafer just left, "creative differences" being reason given. Wonder if it will ever be revealed what he was working on.

One. Unit. Per. Province.


:ohdear:

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Fintilgin posted:

One. Unit. Per. Province.


:ohdear:

That Russian front is going to have *a lot* of hexes.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

In some paradox games the AI isn't absolutely braindead and can actually use the same military system the player uses to the same advantages, not always as competently and can be tricked and gamed, but you still feel like the AI understands the basics. This was probably a deal breaker for Shafer.

Descar
Apr 19, 2010

Fintilgin posted:

One. Unit. Per. Province.


:ohdear:

This is a nightmare in Civ

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






I was on the fence about investing in Paradox but this has decided me in favour. Not because I've got anything in particular against Jon Shafer but because it means the company is still decisive enough even post-listing to take on a well known developer and then part ways fast if it isn't working out.

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR
Sad to see him go, was genuinely a nice guy to hang with :smith:

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

it's sad that these kinds of decisions rarely lead to a post-mortem of what could have been and where it fell apart. Otherwise what is there to learn from?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Groogy posted:

Sad to see him go, was genuinely a nice guy to hang with :smith:

I'm sure that personally he's a really nice guy, but professionally he took people's money and ran. He's not going to stop getting grief for that.

e: ^^ they totally do, but not publicly.

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double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Oh I meant where they're publically available, so that we all can learn from this. Of course, with failed projects people's reputations also get dragged in so I understand why it doesn't get published, I'm just bummed out about it.

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