Europa Universalis IV: Buying all the DLC is just Common Sense

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Fuligin: Oct 27, 2010; wait what the fuck??

I remember reading a review of EU 3 in a physical magazine, thinking that I would never, ever play this impossible looking game.

And I was right!

# ? Nov 15, 2017 16:18

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# ? Apr 18, 2024 14:07

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

tombom posted:

They improved it significantly with expansions but on release it was definitely this hideous. The gameplay was pretty awful too, there was a reason Magna Mundi became so big

ah yeah, that makes sense, I didn't play EU3 until after IN was released

I feel that EU2's graphics hold up a lot better, which I guess is pretty typical of the transition from good 2d graphics to bad 3d graphics in games

# ? Nov 15, 2017 16:19

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

tombom posted:

They improved it significantly with expansions but on release it was definitely this hideous. The gameplay was pretty awful too, there was a reason Magna Mundi became so big

That's not even EU3 at release-- Austria was initially red, and only switched over to white in a later patch. Also, the Byzantine Empire was only added with the In Nomine expansion.

Basically, that's how pretty EU3 was after years of patches and multiple expansions. It only got vaguely pretty years later, when Divine Wind rolled out.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 16:26

Frionnel: May 7, 2010; Friends are what make testing worth it.

Ofaloaf posted:

It only got vaguely pretty years later, when Divine Wind rolled out.

The Divine Wind map is still prettier than EU4's :colbert:

# ? Nov 15, 2017 16:30

skasion: Feb 13, 2012; Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Ofaloaf posted:

That's not even EU3 at release-- Austria was initially red, and only switched over to white in a later patch. Also, the Byzantine Empire was only added with the In Nomine expansion.

Basically, that's how pretty EU3 was after years of patches and multiple expansions. It only got vaguely pretty years later, when Divine Wind rolled out.

Yep. That's from EU3: Complete*. Sadly that image is so old I have no idea what the gently caress was going on in that game anymore.

*not actually complete

# ? Nov 15, 2017 17:01

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

I felt like EU2 looked better than EU3 and there were a bunch of changes in EU3 that I didnt like so I pretty much never played it, then somehow still bought 4 the day it came out (I think?).

# ? Nov 15, 2017 17:29

Schizotek: Nov 8, 2011; I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!

One of my first serious games of eu4 got ruined by the Ottomans inheriting a successful expansive Timurids. I kinda wish I'd continued the game just so I could watch a viable AI WC.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 18:18

Allyn: Sep 4, 2007; I love Charlie from Busted!

Ofaloaf posted:

Also, the Byzantine Empire was only added with the In Nomine expansion.

I only played DW, what was the setup for Greece/Anatolia before that?

# ? Nov 15, 2017 18:55

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Allyn posted:

I only played DW, what was the setup for Greece/Anatolia before that?

prior to IN the earliest start date was 1453 IIRC

# ? Nov 15, 2017 18:59

Dr. Video Games 0031: Jul 17, 2004

Allyn posted:

I only played DW, what was the setup for Greece/Anatolia before that?

The game started in 1453, after the fall of Constantinople. In Nomine pushed the start date back to 1399

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:00

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

I feel like my memory is playing tricks on me because I don't remember EU3 looking that ugly

Either In Nomine or Heir to the Throne changed the ground tecture to be less grainy, and then Divine Wind replaced the map with a completely new 2D one.

And of course, there were countless mapmods that made even the 3D map look beautiful, and whose aesthetic qualities I sometimes still miss. Specifically, the hand drawn map mod by pplaza user strannik:

There was also a Theatrum Orbis Terrarum for EU3 whose author I don't know off the top of my head; this was my preferred mapmod:

YF-23 fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Nov 15, 2017

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:01

Dr. Video Games 0031: Jul 17, 2004

Yeah, I was honestly taken aback by how ugly pre-DW EU3 was when I was taking a trip down memory lane earlier this year, going through the various versions of EU3. I played the hell out of IN and HttT and I didn't remember it being that ugly either. Divine Wind makes it look passable, though. Pre-DW, aesthetic map mods were pretty much mandatory. The one Strannik made ended up being the inspiration for Paradox's Divine Wind map redesign. DW also upped the map file's resolution, which meant way neater borders and coastlines and stuff.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:06

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

Allyn posted:

I only played DW, what was the setup for Greece/Anatolia before that?

In addition to everything else already said, the 1453 startdate and lack of a Byzantine tag meant that when Greek provinces revolted, they sometimes revolted in extraordinarily strange ways. I'm pretty sure more games ended with a 'Greece' in Crimea than with a Greece in Actual Greece.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:45

skasion: Feb 13, 2012; Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Ofaloaf posted:

In addition to everything else already said, the 1453 startdate and lack of a Byzantine tag meant that when Greek provinces revolted, they sometimes revolted in extraordinarily strange ways. I'm pretty sure more games ended with a 'Greece' in Crimea than with a Greece in Actual Greece.

Yes, this was extremely common right up into early EU4 if I recall. Just one of those weird quirks of the games like the famed Muslim Lusignans of Cyprus

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:52

THE BAR: Oct 20, 2011; You know what might look better on your nose?

YF-23 posted:

And of course, there were countless mapmods that made even the 3D map look beautiful, and whose aesthetic qualities I sometimes still miss. Specifically, the hand drawn map mod by pplaza user strannik:

That looks fantastic.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 19:52

Funky Valentine: Feb 26, 2014; Dojyaa~an

skasion posted:

Yes, this was extremely common right up into early EU4 if I recall. Just one of those weird quirks of the games like the famed Muslim Lusignans of Cyprus

I had a Muslim Lusignan Cyprus in my Florence->Tuscany->"get beat up by Naples and France because Austria took Mantua and Verona" game, I have no idea how it happened.

# ? Nov 15, 2017 21:00

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

[runs into imperial court sweating, panting, hands on knees] a three-province minor lithuanian vassal is seeking independence

[mingishly] freedom is the right of all sentient nations

# ? Nov 15, 2017 22:29

Koramei: Nov 11, 2011; I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

I'm writing the new OP now for the expansion tomorrow, if anyone has title suggestions say them now or else I'm just gonna do a search for whatever was the last semi-decent one

# ? Nov 16, 2017 02:12

Godlovesus: Oct 16, 2015; Ask me about continually throwing myself at the enemy and losing every single time in EU4 Multiplayer.

Koramei posted:

I'm writing the new OP now for the expansion tomorrow, if anyone has title suggestions say them now or else I'm just gonna do a search for whatever was the last semi-decent one

Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of DLC

(As you can see, I�m terrible at this)

Or maybe
Europa Universalis IV: The Cradle for the Civilized

# ? Nov 16, 2017 02:43

Xinder: Apr 27, 2013; i want to be a prince

Koramei posted:

I'm writing the new OP now for the expansion tomorrow, if anyone has title suggestions say them now or else I'm just gonna do a search for whatever was the last semi-decent one

I'm partial to this one from about a month ago.