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peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
Don't use Star Citizen as a bank, looking at the Twitch views you'll see it has a very very low interest rate

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tuo
Jun 17, 2016

peter gabriel posted:

Hey guys my bank thinks this is a scam how do I get round that rather than take a long hard look at things?

:sever: gently caress that bank!

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

No, wait, send them a "thank you" cake!

Abuminable
Mar 30, 2017

Now, aside from the Abuminable, business goes on as usual.

Dusty Lens posted:

Why is the bank storing your money when SC is right there.

He should buy a Visa Gift Card from his bank account and make his CIG purchase with using the card. That way the bank won't tag his transaction as fraud again. drat banks.

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Abuminable posted:

He should buy a Visa Gift Card from his bank account and make his CIG purchase with using the card. That way the bank won't tag his transaction as fraud again. drat banks.

If it's good enough for the Swedish mafia it's good enough for me.

SpaceCurtisLeMay
Sep 30, 2016

We're at war with Goons. We were attacked by Goons. Do you want to kill Goons, or would you rather have Citizens killed?

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yes. The number one reason a business exists is to make money and EA has perfected that. Until gamers vote with their wallets it will never change.

I played the BFII beta on PS4 and enjoyed it. But what I see now I've removed the game from my xmas list. And I was somewhat looking forward to the single player campaign and the multiplayer was enjoyable. Instead the Assassins Creed title is going on the list. Wife really enjoys the Uncharted, Tomb Raider, and Assassins Creeds games for some reason.

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

You could always just play through the 7 hour campaign and then jump on the 24 hour refund. If you have time to sit on the phone.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Slow_Moe posted:


Gee I wonder how those testers will respond....

They'll buy more ships?

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

peter gabriel posted:

Don't use Star Citizen as a bank, looking at the Twitch views you'll see it has a very very low interest rate



SpaceCurtisLeMay
Sep 30, 2016

We're at war with Goons. We were attacked by Goons. Do you want to kill Goons, or would you rather have Citizens killed?

VictorianQueerLit posted:

If CIG is smart enough to take out a payday loan to play the currency market somehow then I trust them with my savings.

A $2,700 space ship bond will have 400% growth in value, just ask MoMA! You'd be stupid not to buy!

That's just it. If they were wanting to hedge against currency speculation you do that buying on the futures market. I've done that before. We were paying a firm in Australia to handle the install & support of our product to a client down there and we knew what the payments were going to be. So we bought AUD with USD for delivery 8 months down the line in order to lock in our costs. We knew our costs for the project was then USD xx,xxx no matter what the currency did in that time. I don't know if we saved or lost vs not hedging, but the point was to reduce a risk & uncertainty. We didn't take out a loan to do it.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

I played the BFII beta on PS4 and enjoyed it. But what I see now I've removed the game from my xmas list. And I was somewhat looking forward to the single player campaign and the multiplayer was enjoyable. Instead the Assassins Creed title is going on the list. Wife really enjoys the Uncharted, Tomb Raider, and Assassins Creeds games for some reason.

Origins is pretty darned good, although there's a lot there. They've grabbed some bits of Witcher 3 and Shadow of Mordor to make it less formulaic AssCreed, and the environments are top notch if you have an even passing like of Egyptian history. Accurate it is not, but the various quests are a lot less rigid, so escort quests are actually doable, and I've not really hit a block yet, apart from picking up a quest that I was four levels too low for; just wandered off, levelled and came back to the bit of the quest I was failing.

Loot boxes appear from a vendor and are fairly pricey, and give a random weapon. You can also upgrade weapons you like to bring them up to your level, meaning that gold is a limiting factor, but it's literally everywhere, and you can hunt.

Combat, you can style. Bunch of different weapon types available, with keeping two ready, so you can go in as a heavy with an axe or mace, or rely on a dodge game with a slightly lighter weapon, like dual blades or a kopesh. Positioning matters, and they'll attempt to flank you. The stealth game does allow you to stack guys in a bush, but there's some depth as it unlocks tools and abilities.

The writing is actually pretty solid. I mean, there's only so many ways you can go with the brooding anti-hero, but so far the quests have been pretty good. It's definitely content-rich as well.

One nice bit is that a little way along with throw out some bounty hunters who will attack you on sight, usually at a higher level than you. They also respond to attacks on encampments or calls for help by the guard, which adds a bit of a time element.

Occasional bits of slowdown when you hit Alexandria (on PS4), but it's a solid piece of work that is quite impressive. I'll admit that the last rear end Creed I played much of was Black Flag, but the combat here feels more engaging and timing based. I've lost fights because I was dumb or not watching my back, rather than being cheesed.

Wall of words to say that Origins has impressed me.

Edit: Shoot everything in the mouth

SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

I don't know if we saved or lost vs not hedging, but the point was to reduce a risk & uncertainty. We didn't take out a loan to do it.

^^^ this. The idea of using a loan to hedge is silly.

Hav fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 15, 2017

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

trucutru posted:

They'll buy more ships?

It was actually a rhetorical question, it doesn't matter how they react. What matters is that there will be comedy for us. :ssh:

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:

peter gabriel posted:

Don't use Star Citizen as a bank, looking at the Twitch views you'll see it has a very very low interest rate

:vince: :master: :vince:

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

That's just it. If they were wanting to hedge against currency speculation you do that buying on the futures market. I've done that before. We were paying a firm in Australia to handle the install & support of our product to a client down there and we knew what the payments were going to be. So we bought AUD with USD for delivery 8 months down the line in order to lock in our costs. We knew our costs for the project was then USD xx,xxx no matter what the currency did in that time. I don't know if we saved or lost vs not hedging, but the point was to reduce a risk & uncertainty. We didn't take out a loan to do it.

So what you are saying is that you don't understand currency development.

Look you Derpit Shurt testicle I'll explain it in a way you can understand. CIG borrowed a bunch of money and then later there was a change in the value of a currency that one of their 20 shell companies uses. Obviously these two things are connected because it makes CIG look good which proves Star Citizen is real.

You can take your talk of markets and futures and costs and hedging and go back to Doottoot Shaboops.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

I played the BFII beta on PS4 and enjoyed it. But what I see now I've removed the game from my xmas list. And I was somewhat looking forward to the single player campaign and the multiplayer was enjoyable. Instead the Assassins Creed title is going on the list. Wife really enjoys the Uncharted, Tomb Raider, and Assassins Creeds games for some reason.

Whatever you do, don't introduce your wife into the triple/quadruple A quality game known as Star Citizen. It will sour her on every other title you listed as well as future ones. Plus you'll be eating ramen every night.

Abuminable
Mar 30, 2017

Now, aside from the Abuminable, business goes on as usual.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

You can take your talk of markets and futures and costs and hedging and go back to Doottoot Shaboops.

Of course this Droopy Snotcake apostle lost money with his fancy forex speculation, otherwise he wouldn't have copped out with the lame rear end "I don't even know if I lost money." He tried to impress ol' boss man and it bit him in the rear end when the ozzie tanked before the project was complete.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

I wonder if this has anything to do with chargebacks, and how if you dip below a certain score, banks turn on you?

Pantsbird
Nov 12, 2017

by Lowtax

D_Smart posted:

Video of Evocati client/server test from Nov 12th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8En045qp2GU


Still runs like poo poo. Notice how there's absolutely NO combat engagement etc

Also had another testing round yesterday:

Can't even sleep without missing something.

DapperDon
Sep 7, 2016

Daztek posted:





Evocati testing going well!

They don't bother emailing you about the tests/procedures so if you're not on the Spectrum 24/7 you might get banned :allears:

In the history of video games, has there ever been a project that has such an authoritative iron fist and thirst for vindictive revenge, punishment, cruelty, and humiliation as this? Because for the life of me I thought these things were SUPPOSED to be fun.

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

DapperDon posted:

In the history of video games, has there ever been a project that has such an authoritative iron fist and thirst for vindictive revenge, punishment, cruelty, and humiliation as this? Because for the life of me I thought these things were SUPPOSED to be fun.

You have a lot to learn about paying to test games in development.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

DapperDon posted:

In the history of video games, has there ever been a project that has such an authoritative iron fist and thirst for vindictive revenge, punishment, cruelty, and humiliation as this? Because for the life of me I thought these things were SUPPOSED to be fun.

It's called transparent development.

NVB
Jan 23, 2010

Grimey Drawer

peter gabriel posted:

Don't use Star Citizen as a bank, looking at the Twitch views you'll see it has a very very low interest rate


:five: :five: :five: :five: :five:

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Colostomy Bag posted:

Reading through 3.0R patch notes...
What's most interesting in the Evocati patch notes I've randomly looked into, there's gently caress all anything about planets.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Combat Pretzel posted:

What's most interesting in the Evocati patch notes I've randomly looked into, there's gently caress all anything about planets.

- Moons

Meanwhile, kickstarter is so mid-2000s and it's over. https://d.rip/ is where the cool kids is are.


- We're having better sex than you. Give us money.

Hav fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 15, 2017

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

DapperDon posted:

In the history of video games, has there ever been a project that has such an authoritative iron fist and thirst for vindictive revenge, punishment, cruelty, and humiliation as this? Because for the life of me I thought these things were SUPPOSED to be fun.

It's not working. They can't make it work. People in authority above them are dishing out punishments for not making it work. Sooner or later, people start thinking it'll work if they hurt their enemies.

They've already ground through filthy refunders, insufficently committed fellow believers, and spies/sabotage from Big Publishing. Now they're down to members of their own elite super-loyal testing group who don't obey orders. Surely if they punish these people hard enough, Star Citizen will start being good and Chris will stop yelling at them.

SCtrumpHaters
Oct 28, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Combat Pretzel posted:

What's most interesting in the Evocati patch notes I've randomly looked into, there's gently caress all anything about planets.

Right now theres a bug (dunno if its fixed yet) where you just slowly sink into the planets surface like quicksand no matter what.

So yea

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Hav posted:

- Moons

Meanwhile, kickstarter is so mid-2000s and it's over. https://d.rip/ is where the cool kids is are.


- We're having better sex than you. Give us money.

by cutting away the "make a product" requirement, those kickstarter guys have really unlocked the secret to huge profits!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Wise Learned Man posted:

I wish I had a better imagination. Who knew that a blinkered devotion to a lovely (non) video game was all it took to imagine that you are Jason Bourne, dodging high-powered cyberstalkers and defeating corporate spies with nothing more than a keyboard?

I’m here to confirm the 100% honesty of these guys too. The more insane and outlandish the story, the more real it is.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Beet Wagon posted:

by cutting away the "make a product" requirement, those kickstarter guys have really unlocked the secret to huge profits!

To be fair, the whole patronage model is an exciting new development not seen since the heights of the Venetian scrofula epidemic.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Foo Diddley posted:

I hope a lot of people rushed out to buy Star Citizen because of this and downloaded and played it immediately

I hope they also came to the same conclusion that SC transcends AAAA quality and immediately posted back to that guy to provide their additional insight into this living art.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Virtual Captain posted:

I'm probably just imagining things but these Evocati tests seem more like late stage beta stress tests than testing new features and interaction like you would expect in an alpha. Almost as if they were prepping for a release, an MVP if you will.

Sounds like they should be getting paid, too.

Good thing cig is smart and they can get people to do crappy work for free by making it seem special.

Hey guys, my house needs cleaning, but only a select number of people are allowed in here. I’ll let you know if you are those lucky people.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Hav posted:

To be fair, the whole patronage model is an exciting new development not seen since the heights of the Venetian scrofula epidemic.

Roberts is like the modern version of Cortez dragging smallpox into crowdfunding.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

peter gabriel posted:

Don't use Star Citizen as a bank, looking at the Twitch views you'll see it has a very very low interest rate



:master:

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This thread brought to you by a tremendous dickhead!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Sarsapariller posted:

They should really just put my game up there. It's called "Deuce Citizen" and it's literally twice as good as Star Citizen in every way. That's the entire concept, all I've got so far- "Whatever Star Citizen is doing, Deuce Citizen has that times two."

Trailers should be out in two weeks. But I mean, Deuce Citizens can start backing now if they want. Prices will never be lower than they are right now! Can you really afford to wait until all that pointless grunt work like "any sign of gameplay" or "a functioning release" are already out the door? Get in early and your Deuce Dominance will be assured.

*leaps for her credit card and tries to swipe it against this post in futile effort of getting in on the ground floor*

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Daztek posted:





Evocati testing going well!

They don't bother emailing you about the tests/procedures so if you're not on the Spectrum 24/7 you might get banned :allears:

It’s good to know CIG mistreats even the people who think they are the elite buddy buddies with the power and access.

Guess what guys? You are literally unpaid poo poo tier employees with no benefits and a company that still treats you like poo poo when you quite awesomely pay them for the privilege of working; minus any rights and concessions an actual employee would have.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Mine too, fellow normal human being. I often pattern my life after movie actors, but only specific movies, and only a specific non movie that’s not even released yet.

Why it’s like that one scene where my hero was in Star Citizen, and he looked at that guy and said

And later on he was going to the

Where he

And then I was all omg I cannot believe that happened in this video game I am going to pattern my life around this moment and post it inauspiciously to twitter!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Haha loving fantastic.

I hope banks are preemptively refunding people for their Star Citizen purchases. Not only will that be comical for cig, but also for the die hard backers who get automatically cashed out.

Filthy leavers!

SCtrumpHaters
Oct 28, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

The Titanic posted:

It’s good to know CIG mistreats even the people who think they are the elite buddy buddies with the power and access.

Guess what guys? You are literally unpaid poo poo tier employees with no benefits and a company that still treats you like poo poo when you quite awesomely pay them for the privilege of working; minus any rights and concessions an actual employee would have.

Using volunteers to replace actual employees is actually a pretty big no no for corporations. But if challenged they'll just say its a special early access bonus for high end players.

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

DapperDon posted:

In the history of video games, has there ever been a project that has such an authoritative iron fist and thirst for vindictive revenge, punishment, cruelty, and humiliation as this? Because for the life of me I thought these things were SUPPOSED to be fun.

YOU DIDN'T SPAWN THE RIGHT SHIP?! WELL WE'RE GONNA RUB YOUR NOSE IN YOUR PISS-STAINED MESS!


Take that, person who's given us money!

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