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It was all bullshit, it was a Tumblr hit piece and the person who published it admitted it was made up. That's why it was deleted. Please don't spread it.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It was all bullshit, it was a Tumblr hit piece and the person who published it admitted it was made up. That's why it was deleted. Please don't spread it. It's amazing how so many fuckwads out there believed an anonymous Medium account with one post on it. I predicted it was a 4chan prank in the other thread—close! Social media has genuinely turned the public into easily exploitable shitheads ruled by perpetual hysteria and outrage.
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Nov 15, 2017 05:19
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Apparently the person who posted it doesn't admit it was made up. It was deleted for violating site policy.
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Nov 15, 2017 05:22
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Apparently the person who posted it doesn't admit it was made up. It was deleted for violating site policy. You got links to this drama as it unfolds?
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Nov 15, 2017 05:26
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Rhyno posted:From the cache So was Kevin Spacey
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:So was Kevin Spacey The Kevin Spacey thing had been discussed and joked about for what, 12 years at least? The FG joke was from 2007 wasn't it? Are there any other sources of Gal being a bad person on record anywhere?
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Nov 15, 2017 05:54
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I dunno whether it's true or not but "why didn't the victim come forward earlier?" is not the best question. Many victims in these situations do not come forward immediately for many reasons, among them fear of not being believed.
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Nov 15, 2017 06:01
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I dunno whether it's true or not but "why didn't the victim come forward earlier?" is not the best question. Many victims in these situations do not come forward immediately for many reasons, among them fear of not being believed. It just feels weird that this comes out on the eve of her continued massive success as a female empowerment icon.
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Nov 15, 2017 06:04
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Michelle Pfeiffer Says Every Woman In Hollywood She's Talked To Has Been Abused https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/michelle-pfeiffer-says-every-woman-174500280.html http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-41875547/michelle-pfeiffer-abuse-of-women-in-hollywood-is-systemic Viola Davis on why she's 'done' pretending sexual assault in Hollywood is 'news' https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/viola-davis-shes-done-pretending-sexual-assault-hollywood-news-162458155.html '...she feels compelled to “out” predators because she isn’t “falling from a really high space.” She explained, “It’s not like I’m going to headline the next Spider-Man movie. I’m not rolling around in bed with Tom Cruise, so I’m not going to lose a $20 million endorsement and a $50 million beauty campaign. That’s just not my career.”' UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:There are a lot of stories of Cranston pulling sexually oriented “pranks” on the set of Breaking Bad, so yeah, get yourself ready for that one Some here would definitely find his Howard Stern sessions to be vomit inducing. LORD OF BOOTY posted:Cranston's never done horror (that I'm aware of)... He was in Terror Tract (2000) which is currently available on YouTube. He fights a little monkey in that film.
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Nov 15, 2017 06:36
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The people “debunking” that Gal Gadot story are stupid as hell. Just as somebody can make a story up, somebody can also make a confession up. Like others have said, there are unique identifiers in the story. Wait for somebody to follow up on the leads. Somebody will. Save your indignation, whichever side you’re on.
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Nov 15, 2017 07:21
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Yeah, especially since this isn't a story about Gadot herself sexually assaulting somebody, people should probably cool their heels until there's more information. If she did do what this person said, it's super hosed up. But it also would have happened thirteen years ago, and while I'll sympathise deeply with the victim in this case, I can't see it being that big a deal unless similar, more recent stories of Gadot being a hateful, predatory bitch come out. One would hope Gadot has grown since she was nineteen. It also doesn't help that the person accused of rape seemed to be a good friend of hers. I would find it hard to believe my good friend cheated on my other good friend in such a hosed up fashion. Loathe as I am to admit it, it would be easy for me to side with the people I'm close to over the girl I've been rooming with for a short amount of time. Whatever happened, if it happened, sounds like a loving mess.
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Vegetable posted:The people “debunking” that Gal Gadot story are stupid as hell. Just as somebody can make a story up, somebody can also make a confession up. The tweet was getting more and more retweets and responses saying stuff like "U really deserve a Pulitzer Prize for this..." except, if you watched the video, it had literally nothing in common with the story from the article except that two women were talking and one was Gal Gadot. And now that Twitter account is "protected" so you can't see the tweet. I'm not saying it's particularly suspicious, given how stupid and reactionary people often are on Twitter (I'm guessing none of the responders actually watched the video), but it's definitely all an example of how bad social media can be as a way of actually sorting through these kind of events. Martman fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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Repost of the story for people that care: http://www.imasurvivor.xyz/ Anonymous stories like this are sometimes a tough pill to swallow, but that inherently doesn’t make it untrue. Imagine if you were sitting on this information for years, watching this former friend of yours reach mega stardom; reliving a horrible experience every time you saw her face on a billboard. All you want to do is ignore it, but boom, there’s that face again. Then you think about telling the story, but then you have to think about the inevitable internet backlash of incredulity, followed by accusations that your just doing it for attention. So you sit on it for a couple more years. I don’t know about you, but I would break down when the story about Gal standing up to sexually abusive Hollywood executives started to get some play in the news.
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Nov 15, 2017 08:55
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Yeah, I'm not going to totally dismiss the story entirely. I just don't see the need to make a huge fuss and go down some rabbit hole of is it or isn't it a lie. Not without more information.
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ihatepants posted:How about that time in 2014 when she posted the pro-IDF messages to her social media accounts and calling Hamas cowards for hiding behind women and children at the same time that Israeli forces were bombing women and children in Gaza? I wish more folks (not in this thread, just in general) would care more about this and stop hailing Gadot as some kind of feminist icon
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Nov 15, 2017 12:35
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peer posted:I wish more folks (not in this thread, just in general) would care more about this and stop hailing Gadot as some kind of feminist icon People do a weird thing where they want to binary categorize people as good/bad as opposed to judging specific actions at the time. While not doing it to themselves and adding all kinds of excuses and nuance for all the bad they did in their lives. Gadot's stance on Israel is hugely problematic and probably based on her background and being exposed to one-sided information. Her making a stance against Ratner in public is good. You (as in people, not you) should be able to simultaneously judge her harshly for Zionism while being positive about her stance on abuse, but people have a problem doing that and default to all good/all bad. Darko fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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Nov 15, 2017 15:37
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Rhyno posted:It just feels weird that this comes out on the eve of her continued massive success as a female empowerment icon. Are you really that surprised more and more allegations are coming out at the same time as each other? If this was in isolation then sure, but a lot of people are having their dirty laundry come to light right now and that's going to embolden other victims to come forward.
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Nov 15, 2017 15:49
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I know some of us already read Terry Crews's twitter story about his own assault experience, but here he is talking about it on tv: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/930779189174665217
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Nov 15, 2017 19:03
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It's definitely wrong to try to get into a victim's head and interpret why they chose to come forward at a particular time. So many factors go into that and each person's situation is unique(both victim and perpetrator), so it's pointless at best.
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Nov 15, 2017 19:07
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Darko posted:People do a weird thing where they want to binary categorize people as good/bad as opposed to judging specific actions at the time. While not doing it to themselves and adding all kinds of excuses and nuance for all the bad they did in their lives. Gadot's stance on Israel is hugely problematic and probably based on her background and being exposed to one-sided information. Her making a stance against Ratner in public is good. You (as in people, not you) should be able to simultaneously judge her harshly for Zionism while being positive about her stance on abuse, but people have a problem doing that and default to all good/all bad. Sure, totally, I agree, and of course it's great that she's taking a stand against Ratner. I've just seen a lot of both women and men portraying her as a champion of modern feminism recently, which in light of her past statements is pretty gross.
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peer posted:Sure, totally, I agree, and of course it's great that she's taking a stand against Ratner. I've just seen a lot of both women and men portraying her as a champion of modern feminism recently, which in light of her past statements is pretty gross. Some of that is related to the Wonder Woman character though, she kinda comes with the feminist icon mantle so playing her automatically causes people to want to cast you in that light.
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Nov 15, 2017 19:40
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Terry Crews is great. I think he'll be up there with Keanu for people that no one has a bad word against.
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I'm still waiting for the Spielberg domino to fall. That's bound to be a big one. I'n fairly convinced that's the super-powerful and well-known pedo that Feldman is terrified of, too. It's not that I have 'proof'. Like any artist, you look at the work. One thing about Spielberg is that there is always at least one child character in every single one of his films, nearly. I think the exceptions are... well there's a schoolbus of kids in 'Duel' but they aren't really characters. Munich, that's the only one I can recall without any kids either front and center or at least in the background. Plenty of other directors make scores of movies without any children; in fact, most directors find them difficult and troublesome to work with. I cannot imagine Spielberg feels that way.. A number of his films also involve children going through horrible, traumatic experiences where they are terrorized or suffer. Jurassic Park comes to mind, Empire of the Sun, Temple of Doom has lots of scared, suffering, abused children in it.. And when I think about these things I can't help but... sort of mentally contrast it with the "PENIS BREATH!" insult from ET used by one little boy against another. I dunno if I'm alone here, but even after seeing ET and absorbing lots of insults from other movies, I never called another boy "penis breath" and I can't say that I was ever called it as a kid, either. Um, now, jokingly it comes it up at times, but I'm 32. Makes me wonder if "penis breath" was in the script or not. Um, anyway. The main reason why I always thought Spielberg was a pedophile was based on reading a crazy essay by Crispin Glover online back in, like, the stone ages of the internet (02-03 or some poo poo). The essay was totally off the loving wall and whether it represented Glover's genius beliefs or was an over-the-top proto-troll by someone who has always been kind of an over over-the-top proto-troll (see: his appearance on Letterman wearing platform shoes and nearly kicking Letterman in the face), Anyway, here's an excerpt of the essay: CRISPIN HELLION GLOVER posted:... I actually thought this was kind of a cool thing to re-post because 15 years ago when he wrote this a lot of this stuff hadn't quite come true but especially with the election of Trump and just the Weinstein scandal this seems both utterly insane and extremely prescient
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That bit where he talks about his wife calming him down, oof. Gets you right here. I wonder about accountability and holding up standards of behavior a lot lately, because it's now exploding in the entertainment industry and a lot of other fields of work, while in politics it seems like people are actually being protected from accountability more and more.
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Nov 15, 2017 21:48
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E.T the extraterrestrial actually ad-libbed the "Penis breath" line on set.
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Spielberg is a pedo because he has children in his films  Maybe talk about things that actually happend instead of this baseless and tasteless speculation?
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Does Glover ever offer anything as proof other than the fact that Spielberg has child characters in most of his movies and was friends with Michael Jackson? Have there been any whispers of anyone accusing him of anything in the past? Are there any now? I 100% believe Feldman when he says a really powerful person in the industry molested him but there are plenty of those, not sure what would lead someone to assume Spielberg. I don't want Spielberg to be a child molester, I admit, it would really make me see a lot of my childhood memories in a different light.
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I'd more likely think that there's skeletons in Crispin Glover's closest than SpielbergDrVenkman posted:Terry Crews is great. I think he'll be up there with Keanu for people that no one has a bad word against. Well, there was his whole "Oh, it's okay to be transgender, but not transracial" protest last year
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Nov 15, 2017 22:12
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It could have been Glover still angry at Spielberg over Back to the Future. I know he refuses to even talk about BTTF or sign any of the merch at cons.
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Davros1 posted:Well, there was his whole "Oh, it's okay to be transgender, but not transracial" protest last year That's... correct? What are we saying Rachel Dolezal was cool now?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That's... correct? What are we saying Rachel Dolezal was cool now? Crews' question was "why is it okay to be transgender, but not transracial", which is a moronic statement
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Basebf555 posted:Does Glover ever offer anything as proof other than the fact that Spielberg has child characters in most of his movies and was friends with Michael Jackson? Have there been any whispers of anyone accusing him of anything in the past? Are there any now? I 100% believe Feldman when he says a really powerful person in the industry molested him but there are plenty of those, not sure what would lead someone to assume Spielberg. Feldman has categorically stated that he had nothing but a healthy relationship with Speilberg and Joe Dante and credits both of them with trying to help him out in life. But also, as Feldman allegedly reached private settlements years ago, he wouldn't say a bad word about anyone currently working in Hollywood. Glover's rant is a little weird and I think at times gets a little anti-semetic. Detective No. 27 posted:It could have been Glover still angry at Spielberg over Back to the Future. I know he refuses to even talk about BTTF or sign any of the merch at cons. He's kind of fine with it. He's talked about it a lot more though he still hates the ending. However, he credits Bob Gale with loving him over which is an oddly specific target to go for over Speilberg or Zemeckis.
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Ah. A friend of mine met him at an event here a couple years ago and could only get him to sign a Willard poster.
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peer posted:Crews' question was "why is it okay to be transgender, but not transracial", which is a moronic statement Wait, was he arguing against people being transgender or against people being transracial, or something else altogether? As far as transracial goes, I've literally never even heard of the concept.
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-Blackadder- posted:Wait, was he arguing against people being transgender or against people being transracial, or something else altogether? Last year it was revealed that a woman working for the NAACP wasn't actually African American, but Caucasian. Her defense was she identified as AA, so that should be considered her race. Crews is married to a Caucasian women, so his argument was shouldn't his kids be able to identify as Caucasian if they wanted to. He was trying to bring up the point that since people can choose what gender they identify with, why can't they choose what race they identify with. But he worded it all wrong. Instead of saying "why is it okay to be transgender, but not transracial", he should have said "why is it not okay to be transracial?" He should never have brought up transgendered people, and rightfully caught flack for doing so.
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It's actually fairly easy and banal to answer "why is it okay to be transgender but not transracial", or to be more accurate, it's fairly easy to explain why one is a thing and the other is just odd. It's not that being transracial is "not okay", even, it's just... silly and depends, at best, on a willful ignorance of neuroscience. And according to most legal systems, it actually is perfectly acceptable to identify as any race you want already. It's only a problem in strange edge cases like that woman reporter (edit: or that woman mentioned in the post above)
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Much neuroscience is horseshit. It’s a really lousy way to attack transracialism. Anyway, the debate about transgenderism and transracialism has raged in academic circles too. A philosopher and a journal were recently subjected to a witchhunt for making, in essence, a more substantial version of Crews’ point. I accept that the two should not be compared, but the response to these things should not be unmitigated outrage. It’s new terrain for everybody.
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-Blackadder- posted:As far as transracial goes, I've literally never even heard of the concept. I'm 100% white, but I identify as black—particularly Haitian. gently caress off, haters. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The best answer to 'why is it okay to be transgender and not transracial' is a combination of 'what the gently caress are you talking about transgender people are murdered every day just for existing' and 'the two concepts have completely different social contexts and histories and basically have nothing in common besides the fact that some idiot decided to steal terminology from transgender people'.
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It's pretty easy to see where Crews was coming from with that question and it's not transphobia. It might be ignorant but like, ignorance isn't always about hate or biases. Sometimes it's just genuinely not knowing what to do with a concept that is new or foreign to someone.
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