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It's not even just that - to branch it out further, it's going to mostly be liberals that suffer from this in general. In cases of liberals like Franken, you have both lberals and conservatives going for his head. In cases of conservatives like Trump, you only have liberals doing the same and they skate by with conservative backing. Franken will be replaced by a democrat, but in other cases, where, again, practically every powerful man has some kind of history of sexual misconduct - what happens when they aren't in situations to be replaced by other liberals? We have years of Republican politicians doing the same and nothing happening unless it was gay, but now that "liberal" Hollywood is in the target, something is happening because there is a unified front among *everyone*. But there is a reason there is a unified front, and there is a side that sees this as a tool.
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I think Franken's statement on it is refreshingly honest given the poo poo we've heard recently.
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Stallone too, apparently (warning: daily mail + gross details) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5081605/Sylvester-Stallone-accused-forcing-teen-threesome.html
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DrVenkman posted:I think Franken's statement on it is refreshingly honest given the poo poo we've heard recently. How is is this " refreshingly honest"?
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peer posted:Stallone too, apparently I'll care about this when it's in a real paper.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:30
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Didn't Loren Michaels have a lovely rep like 20 years ago? I've been waiting for the SNL doors to blow wide open with poo poo like this.
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Alhazred posted:"I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way" Maybe he doesn't? But he does say that what he remembers and what his intentions were certainly don't matter in how that woman was made to feel. Would I nix that one sentence from his statement? Probably I would yes, but it reads like an actual statement and not something prepared by a lawyer.
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peer posted:Stallone too, apparently Rocky had sexual misconduct in it, so that would be like the least surprising thing ever.
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Frankin's response is not what I expectedquote:The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing—and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine—is: I'm sorry.
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Ethics Investigation might just be to buy time while they arrange him resigning without giving the Republicans a free shot at whatever insane legislation of the week is happening. Or not. This really sucks, I was hoping he'd run for president, but now I just want him to resign.
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peer posted:Stallone too, apparently I expect poo poo like this to come out for most 80s action stars
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Apparently the woman says she accepts his apology and doesn't think he should step down unless others come forward. I disagree personally.
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I'm pretty torn on this one too.
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Believe women. There's no denying that the photo is lovely. The only way it would be remotely ok is if it were posed, but even then it's still stupid, dumb, and insensitve. And if it were posed ("Hey, why don't you pretend to be asleep while I pretend to grab your boobs for a goof?") Franken would have said so in his statement. It's REALLY lovely timing, because it's almost certainly going to distract from Roy Moore AND we need as many Dems in the Senate as possible right now, but I don't think it's the huge conspiracy Reddit it trying to make it out to be. I don't want to, at least. asecondduck fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Apparently the woman says she accepts his apology and doesn't think he should step down unless others come forward. I disagree personally. Link? As a personal request could y'all link stuff when you find it?
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That is a really solid apology, it doesn't change what happened. But, looking at all the other statements that have come from the accused, that is the first one that is actually an apology and sounds from the heart. I was also somebody was hoping that he would run for president very soon, but this changes that.MacheteZombie posted:As a personal request could y'all link stuff when you find it? Also, this.
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Alhazred posted:"I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way" Because most men don't remember or realize the way they have wronged women and if we understand our perspective or intent doesn't really matter, women would be better off for it. Similar to how the most important part of CK's (for men) was where he said his relative position is what made it wrong even though he didn't realize it at the time. These are the parts that *men* need to read and take in.
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MacheteZombie posted:Link? She interviewed on MSNBC a half hour ago
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https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/931232695694307329 Looking for video of the presser as well. e: Article with quote: http://www.businessinsider.com/leeann-tweeden-al-franken-allegations-sexual-misconduct-2017-11 MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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I guess it won't happen but it would be pretty funny to live in a world where Franken steps down and Moore wins in a landslide.
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porfiria posted:I guess it won't happen but it would be pretty funny to live in a world where Franken steps down and Moore wins in a landslide. The pessimist in me thinks this will happen. e https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/931262111979782144 MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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dont even fink about it posted:I'll care about this when it's in a real paper. I guess the police report is a fake?
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Speaking of linking, I mentioned this ruling in another thread and was asked for a link but I'm posting it here to avoid further derailing the original thread. https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-people-cosby/u-s-appeals-court-rejects-cosby-accusers-bid-to-revive-defamation-suit-idUKKBN1CN36J "The decision found that McKee had made herself a public figure by wading into the controversy with Cosby, rejecting her claim that her dispute with the entertainer was a private one. As a public figure, McKee would have to prove that Cosby acted with malice in his response." It's a 1st circuit ruling so it is only binding to the lower courts in the extreme NE of the country, but it's going to be viewed and argued as precedent throughout the country. Its effectively giving defense teams carte blanche to smear accusers since malice is almost impossible to prove in a civil trial.
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This country deserves to burn (more than it already does) if Al Franken remains in office and Roy Moore gets elected. It would simply be irredeemable.
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zandert33 posted:I guess the police report is a fake? I really just don't want to read Daily Mail's mentally ill formatting style or give them clicks, and if there's any credibility to anything in the Mail, it will show up in a paper worth reading, which this did. People should stop linking Daily Mail poo poo.
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I don't want to start some stupid "slippery slope of forgiveness", but I think it's probably okay to let Franken voluntarily resign or not, unless more people step forward. edit: Actually, what he did sounds worse than I thought. I'm not sure now. precision fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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precision posted:I don't want to start some stupid "slippery slope of forgiveness", but I think it's probably okay to let Franken voluntarily resign or not, unless more people step forward. Someone who abuses their position of power like that almost certainly has more than one victim. People argued that the US should've stopped trying to arrest Roman Polanski, because his victim just wanted to drop things, but then it turned out that there were probably more victims. A person doesn't stop being a danger to society because their victims forgave them.
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Yeah, I'm just hoping that Franken steps down of his own accord. It'd be a good thing.
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Another person has come forward accusing Jeffrey Tambor.
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Rhyno posted:It just feels weird that this comes out on the eve of her continued massive success as a female empowerment icon. Holy poo poo dude, log off the loving internet
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lelandjs posted:Another person has come forward accusing Jeffrey Tambor. Apparently the writing staff of Transparent are considering writing him out, which is insane. Just end the show.
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lelandjs posted:Another person has come forward accusing Jeffrey Tambor. This is so goddamn creepy.
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well why not posted:Apparently the writing staff of Transparent are considering writing him out, which is insane. Just end the show. I've never watched the show but the argument against doing this is that then everyone on the show is out of a job because of Jeffrey Tambor. In her letter in that article, Trace Lysette says that she hopes the show isn't cancelled over it. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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It's unfortunate but there's simply no way to continue the show without Tambor. This is part of the issue when it comes to show business, the star of the show is crucial to the ongoing employment of a ton of other people, and that of course ends up being a huge factor when it comes to victims' decision to come forward or not.
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It's also depressing because Transparent has been such a positive representation for an often overlooked and underconsidered community. Tambor's actions are disgusting enough, but when you take into account that both of his victims have been trans, it's even more enraging. Like, if Transparent isn't a safe place for trans artists to create and perform, where is? There's just layers of awful to the whole thing.
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viral spiral posted:This country deserves to burn (more than it already does) if Al Franken remains in office and Roy Moore gets elected. It would simply be irredeemable. We dove into a pool of kerosene when we elected Trump. We're going to see more stories about old/older actors, directors and producers and poo poo they did in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Things are terrible now but imagine what poo poo show it probably was back then. Don't turn out to be a monster, Scorsese. 
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Cash Monet posted:We're going to see more stories about old/older actors, directors and producers and poo poo they did in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Things are terrible now but imagine what poo poo show it probably was back then. Basically all of them are going to get their turn. Seriously, read almost any autobiography of any kind of popular figure in the mid-20th century. A ton of poo poo that simply would never fly today.
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Cash Monet posted:Don't turn out to be a monster, Scorsese. Another one that I'm trying to prepare myself for is the possibility that while on a coke binge, Robin WIlliams did something horrible and we just haven't heard about it yet.
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Cash Monet posted:Don't turn out to be a monster, Scorsese. Wouldn't really effect me, I've always had a hard time separating the man from this bit part he played(and wrote) in Taxi Driver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_szlzh9Dgrw Totally unfair on my part to judge him for that alone, but I'm just describing the connection that was made in my brain between the character and the real person that I've had a hard time shaking over the years, it's not something I really can control. I know for myself that in a million years I could never come up with dialogue that disgusting, it's just not in me. Every time I've seen him interviewed about film in the past 30 years though he comes across as extremely nice and engaging.
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