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Rarity posted:Joe staying in over Desi makes sense when you realise he's an annoying butthole with an inflated ego who would be great to sit next to FTC Just like Tony.
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Zesty posted:Just like Tony. Tony was visibly the decision maker all through the merge. So far Joe... is not.
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Yeah, the Joe - Tony comparisons are entirely superficial and don't address actually gameplay. Joe's successfully used an idol to get out Alan. Otherwise he doesn't appear to have done anything gamewise except turn people away from him.
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Desi interview snippets:quote:There were a lot of discussion-worthy things that happened at that Tribal Council, but I need to start with your vote. Where did Lauren come from?! TLDR: people told Desi the vote was gonna go Lauren, and she thought about voting Joe to save herself but felt loyalty to him and felt squicky about betraying someone.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Desi interview snippets: You go with what keeps you in the game one more day because loyalties can turn on a dime, you scrub. e:Desi is the scrub, not you ApplesandOranges
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Interesting that she says that Lauren is actually even better than what we're getting on the show, because I already liked her a lot.
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I want impressed by her pre-game stuff, not because lunch lady Denise or anything, she just seemed like a nicelady but not too savvy. She's made missteps like the weird redhead comment with Patrick, but she's got a great sense of social awareness.
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Spergatory posted:Interesting that she says that Lauren is actually even better than what we're getting on the show, because I already liked her a lot. I still can't get past her dumb southpark racism earlier on to really like her
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The Bloop posted:I still can't get past her dumb southpark racism earlier on to really like her I'm going to do the charitable thing and assume this is sarcasm.
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I'd find it hard for Lauren to win because I think too many of the gamebots will think she's not savvy just by her appearance. Like how Ken/Hannah didn't get any credit, and nobody knew how hard Wentworth was playing til they were actually watching the show.
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I have a tough read on Lauren. She was really out of place in her original tribe but they're all gone besides Ryan and Devon. She seemed to really connect with Mike and Ben and even though Cole annoyed her she actually seemed kind of ok and comfortable with him and Jessica. I thought the way she and Jessica were telling him he had to change his behavior seemed very "close". She could just have a hard time with the kids and do better with the grown ups (Jessica was a kid but seemed more mature than the rest of the younger players). Desi seems more in that mature category so her liking Lauren seems to support that. That could be good for Lauren on a jury assuming she can get someone of Chrissy, JP, and Ashley. But its hard to read with what we've seen. I don't totally blame Desi for not voting for Joe. Yeah, it maybe would have bought her another tribal and who knows what happens in 3 days but that's a tough call if no one's really filling you in and your only play is to betray the one person who has been loyal to you. Even if you can get past it personally its probably not going to win you any favor with anyone else since you've shown yourself willing to betray your allies. I mean, hindsight being what it is she probably should have done it but I don't blame her that much. Especially if she was so in the dark that she didn't even know who her own allies were supposed to be voting for. Desi had bad luck with the tribes but ultimately she probably just showed too much too early and made herself too obvious of a threat. Its funny because people see a smart, physical guy who wins comps, seems pleasant, and makes a lot of sense at tribal and they see them as huge threats. Desi did all that. The tribe seemed to recognize her as a threat even if viewers didn't necessarily. I was thinking the whole Tribal with the way she was talking and really showing how aware she was was probably the final nail in her coffin.
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I'm actually not sure when the trend has been that winning immunities pre-merge is now a bad thing. Even earlier seasons like Tocatins and Philippines the fracture of the dominant tribe was more due to inter-tribe conflicts than anything. I mean part of it is because of the three-tribe format, but I can't remember off the top of my head the last season where the dominant tribe going into a merge actually pulling off a Pagoning (or close to it). I'm a bit sad that this season has been axing off so many girls that showed such promise from pre-game press (Ali, Roark, Desi). Chrissy and Lauren are still surprisingly competent, but most of the guys left aren't that impressive. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Yeah it's pretty notable that there's only three women left, and only one of them has any real prominence in the game
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Spergatory posted:You guys are loving crazy, this season is great. Comedy, drama, and a perfect mixture of actual smart people and amazing idiots. This. It's a cool season so far. I find myself either liking for whatever reason (including Cole for his pure foolishness), or at least being indifferent toward, everybody left. Its nice that there's nobody overtly dislikable. Chrissy is probably an arrogant move away from that category, though, at least for me. She reaaaaaally needs to stop whispering to alliance members when other people are a foot or two away, jeez. I get the sense that Ryan/Chrissy supremacy is being set up for an eventual collapse, as they're now being given a bit of an edit similar to Tyler/Mama C from Worlds Apart. I was very low on Lauren last week, but could now see her and somebody like Mike being in the right place at the right time when the core Hero/Hustler alliance starts eating itself and having a real chance at the end. The question is, how would that process begin? As much as they appear to dislike eachother, Ben and Joe/Cole are gonna have to put their machismo aside and start working together because that's their best shot at survival. There's no way any of them make it past the Chrissy/Ryan/Ashley/JP foursome otherwise. So, those 3 need would need to get it together, bring in Mike and Lauren, and flip the balance of power at the next tribal using Lauren's advantage. Or, they could try and pry Devon away by convincing him he's the bottom of that 5, but I sort of doubt that happens. Vernacular fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 06:18
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Nothing says that Ashley/JP are glued to Chrissy/Ryan; we just haven't heard anything from them since the merge. If Ben can swing them, then it's Ben/Lauren/Mike/Ashley/JP. They don't even necessarily need Joe/Cole. Honestly, keeping Chrissy/Ryan right now isn't necessarily a bad thing until they start going after Ben; Chrissy's pretty unlikable (she's definitely not getting Desi's vote from exit press). I feel like Ryan will have to cut Chrissy eventually since her threat level might be more of a liability sooner or later. Either she turns on Ryan, or people will vote for Ryan to weaken Chrissy.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Nothing says that Ashley/JP are glued to Chrissy/Ryan; we just haven't heard anything from them since the merge. There's been nothing to indicate that Ben has any pull over Ashley/JP. They didn't even really work together while on the original Hero tribe. Conversely, there's a strong history of various combinations amongst the Chrissy-Ryan-Devon-Ashley-JP unit working and voting together since day 1. I'd put my money on that group staying strong instead of Ashley and JP randomly starting to work with the healers.
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Ben was working with Ashley and JP early on before Alan blew it up, then he shifted to Chrissy and Ashley but wanted JP out. That was all a long time ago though so it might not mean anything even though the original tribes ended up back together. Ryan and Chrissy wanted JP out once already because they saw him as a huge post merge threat out so you gotta assume that's going to come up again real soon. Devon and Ashley seemed to get close but Devon might end up stuck in the middle. And Ashley and JP started distancing themselves from each other after Alan called them out so they might not be as secure a duo as Cole and Jessica were. It all seems very tangled and I don't know that we can really predict who will side with who. Although I remain a bit pessimistic about pagonging and the most boring way it could probably go is for Ryan, Chrissy, Devon, Ben, Lauren, and Mike just picking off JP and Ashley after they take out Cole and Joe. It gets worse if Mike can't work his way into the group. That's definitely my fear for like a month+ of pretty boring gameplay so I'm hoping that big group starts getting cocky and overplaying and turn on each other. Lets Zeke this up!
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Propaganda Machine posted:She's made missteps like the weird redhead comment with Patrick, but she's got a great sense of social awareness. Uhh. No? You just explained why she doesn’t have a great sense of social awareness.
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STAC Goat posted:Ryan and Chrissy wanted JP out once already because they saw him as a huge post merge threat out so you gotta assume that's going to come up again real soon. I feel like this was not really that big of an issue, and was moreso just editors showing the two power players going through their only options to curry suspense before an obvious vote. I mean, they'll be candidates to be picked off eventually just by virtue of being friendly enough people who haven't ruffled any feathers, but for now, the likelihood of them getting targeted (as well as of them organizing any sort of coup) is pretty low. Vernacular fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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I'm not saying they have a vendetta against him or anything but the reasons they saw that JP was a threat they needed to get out are still there so they're going to come up sooner or later. Ryan has Devon and Chrissy has Ben now so the need for JP goes down with each week and those reasons become bigger "lets get him out before he can go on an immunity run" whispers, you'd think. Cole is probably JP's best shield right now and Joe might follow but after that? Maybe Ben's a target or maybe Chrissy or Ryan overplay and make themselves one but JP seems like the next logical option, especially if Ashley and him are considered a duo. I could see that happening before Joe even, and if he's half as smart as he thinks he is he should probably be working that angle.
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Those are fair points, but letting the most well liked player left (Mike) and the player with the most compelling narrative (Ben) make it through so you can take out the non-strategic immunity threat is risky as hell. My guess is those two (plus Cole) go before JP does.
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There's so many Survivors that it doesn't really feel like one I'd call great but it's good. Gameplay isn't great but I've gotten used to that in new player seasons and there's no one who makes me want to turn the TV off. Like Cole is a moron but he's not THAT douchey and Joe fighting for Desi won me over (even though it's his fault that she got into trouble to begin with).
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I can definitely see Ben being targeted before JP but the Chrissy connection plus his relationships with Lauren and Mike give him some security. And Ryan can't make the move without Chrissy or risk losing her. It's definitely possible they make the move but Ben's got a fair bit of protection there. Mike has less protection but I'm not sure I see him getting seen as a threat this early. Even if he is seen as a big jury threat he's probably not a big immunity threat. And this seems like a tribe that generally gets along so one person might not stand out as a well liked jury threat alone. Who knows? But JP and Ashley seem like an obvious traditional target so it seems like it could just go naturally that way if no one gets too backstabby early. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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I'm not sure the tribe gets along that well. Ben can't stand Cole and Lauren/Mike don't like him either. Joe freaks everyone out. Desi at least couldn't stand Chrissy (from exit press). The tribe doesn't seem nearly as bad as Worlds Apart but there's a lot of fragmentation.
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Zesty posted:Uhh. No? You just explained why she doesn’t have a great sense of social awareness. Cool strawman, nice work. I meant gamewise. She's smart and perceptive enough to have a reliably decent read on her current situations and predicaments.
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I, for one, am bitterly disappointed that we didn't get to see Ryan and Chrissy pull off the ultimate heist by replacing the buried immunity idol with Chrissy's spent super idol from the first tribal. What we got was fun, but that there was an opportunity missed.Propaganda Machine posted:I meant gamewise. She's smart and perceptive enough to have a reliably decent read on her current situations and predicaments. Perceptive enough to leave herself and her closest ally, Ben, vulnerable at tribal by greedily chasing her advantage. It's unclear what information she had on hand, but based on what we were presented Lauren's vote would have been crucial if Mike/Cole had stayed Healer-strong and voted as four with Desi and Joe.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Cool strawman, nice work. Strawman? What are you talking about? She made a bigoted remark in front of everyone (which you acknowledged) and then you said she had a great sense of social awareness. Those two statements don’t jive. Zesty fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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If she can make a "bigoted" remark knowing that no one on her tribe will give a poo poo (which they very clearly didn't and still don't) then yeah, she's pretty loving perceptive. And she had to use her advantage this vote or it went away. She knew it might potentially mess things up, which is why she went to Ben to talk it over and they got the Healers to mess up their own vote. And since it totally worked and she got away with it scot-free with zero negative consequences to her or her allies, I guess you can chalk that up as another correct read on her part. Are we honestly at the point where we are labeling redheads as a persecuted minority? Like have we really reached that place as a society?
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Spergatory posted:If she can make a "bigoted" remark knowing that no one on her tribe will give a poo poo (which they very clearly didn't and still don't) then yeah, she's pretty loving perceptive. Yeah? Born with it. Nothing he can do about it. Guess we’re just allowed to say he’s a natural liar because it’s not as stigmatized as being bigoted against other genetic features. And what do you mean they don’t care that she said it? Let’s see her win the game and then you can say they didn’t care. No reason to vote her out when she’s not going to win any immunities or be able to get people to like her enough to vote for her to win. It’s pretty irrelevant right now that she sucks. No reason to show us that people just don’t care for her. Zesty fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Persecution is systematic discrimination. It is not the mean things that little kids say to each other at recess. If you honest-to-God think that something as silly as "redheads are liars" counts as actual discrimination, then I don't know what to say to you. You're pretty much beyond help and I wish you luck in life.
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Spergatory posted:Persecution is systematic discrimination. It is not the mean things that little kids say to each other at recess. If you honest-to-God think that something as silly as "redheads are liars" counts as actual discrimination, then I don't know what to say to you. You're pretty much beyond help and I wish you luck in life. Two things. Even if it doesn't rise to whatever arbitrary line you think we're allowed to be offended if it crossed, it made her look like a stupid rear end in a top hat that quotes Cartman unironically. Kids actually and literally do get bullied and mistreated for being ginger with that given as the stated reason. Many end up with some level of psychological damage due to it. Seeing an adult perpetuate it is disgusting even if there's not a ginger holocaust going on. If you have so little self awareness that you'd say something like that on national TV I'm allowed to dislike you personally.
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Spergatory posted:Persecution is systematic discrimination. It is not the mean things that little kids say to each other at recess. If you honest-to-God think that something as silly as "redheads are liars" counts as actual discrimination, then I don't know what to say to you. You're pretty much beyond help and I wish you luck in life. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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I have never once in my life been tempted to use the term "snowflake" unironically until today, so thanks for pushing me into the dark side, I guess.
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I mean i don't give a gently caress about like anti-redhead bigotry because that's mostly a joke, obviously. But it's also clear that Lauren herself, personally, is prejudiced against them for some absurd reason. To me that was a funny thing because it's so ridiculous, but it was still a bad look for her.
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I dislike Lauren solely due to the episode where she repeated "I played centerfield for 30 years" roughly 100 times.
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Shocking that the person with the ablest slur in their username doesn't think anyone is harmed by bigotry unless they are literally exterminated or enslaved. Kids commit suicide over this poo poo. It's not even close to being the biggest problem facing the world but that doesn't mean you can't care about it.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I dislike Lauren solely due to the episode where she repeated "I played centerfield for 30 years" roughly 100 times. For a purported sports genius, why do you hate sports so much?
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Spergatory is where I live, man.  I'm sorry that you are bound and determined to be offended by every single thing but I am a sperg and I think portmanteaus are funny.
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Yeah, we get slurs don’t bother you.
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Spergatory posted:portmanteaus are funny They are, it's true. Disliking casual slurs is different than being offended by them. I know they cause real harm in the world so I try to refrain. It really is that simple.
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