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Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!

Trig Discipline posted:

For a second I was like "hey who is the dude playing Micro...OH it's the guy who ate Marnie's rear end on Girls". That is going to follow both of them to their graves.

Ya erect a hundred bridges and build a hundred houses....

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notthegoatseguy
Sep 6, 2005

Only two episodes in but it seems like we're hardly spending any time in Manhattan except maybe the office/Homeland/Dana's scenes. These diners and other places being shown seem more Queens or Staten Island than the other boroughs.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
You know, the last thing I expected to find in a goddamn Punisher series was so much tenderness. I'm up to ep 8 and there's so much heart to this. Long scenes with two characters just having a compelling conversation exploring each other's pain. The entire show has a real delicacy to it that is somehow hard to fathom considering this is the goddamn Punisher.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
Not a fan of the Punisher and probably never going to watch the show. Someone spoil Jigsaw (or Billy Russo, whatever) for me.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Parkingtigers posted:

You know, the last thing I expected to find in a goddamn Punisher series was so much tenderness. I'm up to ep 8 and there's so much heart to this. Long scenes with two characters just having a compelling conversation exploring each other's pain. The entire show has a real delicacy to it that is somehow hard to fathom considering this is the goddamn Punisher.

Seriously. The scene at the end of ep 6 between Frank and Micro's "widow" was fantastic. Bernthal acted the hell out of that "maybe... maybe". Two words that said a whole lot.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

Barry Convex posted:

Not a fan of the Punisher and probably never going to watch the show. Someone spoil Jigsaw (or Billy Russo, whatever) for me.

What do you want to know?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Parkingtigers posted:

You know, the last thing I expected to find in a goddamn Punisher series was so much tenderness. I'm up to ep 8 and there's so much heart to this. Long scenes with two characters just having a compelling conversation exploring each other's pain. The entire show has a real delicacy to it that is somehow hard to fathom considering this is the goddamn Punisher.

I'm only just starting episode 5, but if you told me this was a fully fledged love triangle developing between Frank, Sarah, and Micro I'd believe you.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



The PTSD stuff is hitting me hard.

If someone had told me The Punisher of all things would make me cry, more than once, I would have laughed in their face.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Just getting started but interesting factoid: This is the second time that Amber Rose Revah and Shohreh Aghdashloo have played mother and daughter.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.

Proteus Jones posted:

The PTSD stuff is hitting me hard.

If someone had told me The Punisher of all things would make me cry, more than once, I would have laughed in their face.

I can't believe that the Punisher of all things became an exploration of loss, the price of violence, the aftermath, and how it affects and twists everyone it touches both directly and indirectly. There are some small stumbles along the way, but this show is reaching for the goddamn stars.

Trying to reconcile this with gun_that_shoots_swords.jpg and I can't.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I left off around episode five last night, but the side story with that young vet and his PTSD is super effecting. That scene with his dad, man, fuckin got me bad.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



I just watched the first episode.

I've always had a love hate thing with Punisher, especially the crypto-fascist view point, and such. But.....I'm on board this train.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Okay, someone on that writing staff watched Rambo: First Blood recently. Also probably The Predator.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Cythereal posted:

Okay, someone on that writing staff watched Rambo: First Blood recently. Also probably The Predator.

Well, if you're going to be inspired, better those films instead of Rambo 3 and Aliens vs Predator

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
Yeah so I was planning to binge the first four or five episodes of The Punisher before going to bed tonight, but something about Micro's lair reminded me of the old documentary Dark Days. So instead of watching more of The Punisher I rewatched Dark Days and fuuuuuuuuck it is so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNeG9m_3Uw


trigger warning: Dark Days will make you Feel Something, although what that something is might differ significantly from person to person.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

esperterra posted:

I left off around episode five last night, but the side story with that young vet and his PTSD is super effecting. That scene with his dad, man, fuckin got me bad.

I stopped after that as well too. I just can't believe they have the potential to do something like this when they've completely dropped the ball on the last couple of series.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The slow burn suits a Punisher series well, imo. Giving all these new characters time to breathe (and the cast is fantastic!) as well as helping to really punctuate the action scenes when they do happen.

Also, the action in this show is good! It's been a while since I've been able to say that about Marvel Netflix.

e: oh I guess I left off at the start of ep 4. At any rate, if the show keeps up this pace I'll have zero issue. If it speeds up some at the end, also good.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

esperterra posted:

(and the cast is fantastic!)

It took a while for Amber Rose Revah to click for me, but about halfway through she did. It didn't help that Madani and Stein got some really over-baked dialogue.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

esperterra posted:

The slow burn suits a Punisher series well, imo. Giving all these new characters time to breathe (and the cast is fantastic!) as well as helping to really punctuate the action scenes when they do happen.

Also, the action in this show is good! It's been a while since I've been able to say that about Marvel Netflix.

e: oh I guess I left off at the start of ep 4. At any rate, if the show keeps up this pace I'll have zero issue. If it speeds up some at the end, also good.

I'm on episode eight and it still doesn't have that feeling of spinning its wheels that JJ/DDS2 had. It's a slow burn for sure and it works really well.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




LesterGroans posted:

It took a while for Amber Rose Revah to click for me, but about halfway through she did. It didn't help that Madani and Stein got some really over-baked dialogue.

Yeah, her character and performance seems a bit thin early on, other than her A+ scenes with her mother. But she definitely has potential.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

I'm on episode eight and it still doesn't have that feeling of spinning its wheels that JJ/DDS2 had. It's a slow burn for sure and it works really well.

Glad to hear it!

Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!
Eesh, that end-of-episode 3 shootout looked really, really, really bad. Like, seriously one of the worst action sequences I've seen in a long time. Weird cuts, cliche melancholy song, terrible set dressing (I'm not sure what or where it's supposed to be, given that he ran from a pile of rubble with a squad to this weird sequence of rooms and halls) that it really took me out of it. It's boring and predictable and it just sucks a ton of rear end.

Tumble fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 17, 2017

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Yeah, I can agree with that one being a bit of a mess. But all the action before it was pretty aces imo.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


I'm on episode 10 and this has only been getting better, honestly. Have a few qualms with the overall story but nothing major.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




My only major qualm is NEEDS MORE DAW tbh, but that's my issue with every Marvel Netflix show so

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
This plot about using the corpses of dead soldiers in Afghanistan as vessels to covertly ship heroin back to the states is literally straight out of a Tom Clancy novel. Someone on this staff loved Without Remorse, which featured this exact plot only about Vietnam instead.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
I think the pacing of the show really benefits from the fact that Frank isn't one to dwell on right and wrong or take half measures, which is definitely something that hit the brakes on DD and JJ. His plans don't always work, but he's always moving forwards. There's no real "loving kill him already!" stuff like in JJ, because Frank is either already trying to, or doesn't know who to go after.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Microchip has good taste in music. Also this show keeps making me think of StarCraft with them always shortening it to Micro, ngl.

Parkingtigers
Feb 23, 2008
TARGET CONSUMER
LOVES EVERY FUCKING GAME EVER MADE. EVER.
Ep 10 Nicely formatted episode to change things up, and you know I actually felt sorry for the kid as he blew himself up. He was broken by war, and despite the bad things he did he too was a victim. Almost cried for a terrorist, that's how good they've been at exploring how violence damages people.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



Cythereal posted:

This plot about using the corpses of dead soldiers in Afghanistan as vessels to covertly ship heroin back to the states is literally straight out of a Tom Clancy novel. Someone on this staff loved Without Remorse, which featured this exact plot only about Vietnam instead.

It happened IRL tho. With Vietnam and Frank Lucas IIRC

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
In the middle of episode eight now, and Frank and Sarah are goddamn adorable and I'd be rooting for them so hard if it weren't for that little complication.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
On episode 10, and I'm taking a break and going to finish it tomorrow, but this is the best Marvel show since DDS1. Really, picking a favorite out of those two is difficult, since they both set out to do very different things but do it really well.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


I'm on 12 and while I still like JJ more than this it's easily the best paced in a long-rear end time, if not period

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Disappointed to find that 3AM is a one-off and all the episode titles aren't Matchbox 20 songs

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Episode 5 was loving intense. Holy poo poo.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Episode 11.

Frank is loving terrifying.

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

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VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
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Punisher already promising because no magic ninja assholes yet

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

LinYutang posted:

Punisher already promising because no magic ninja assholes yet

I'm in episode 11. No magic, no ninjas, there hasn't been a single mention of any of the Defenders or the events thereof beyond Frank's specific part in Daredevil.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Just finished Ep 6.

Unlike the other series (including S1 DD and JJ), the pacing seems to be working for me. This series benefits from a slow boil, where the stakes keep ratcheting up and Frank gets wound tighter and tighter.

This may take top spot for me and renew my faith in Netflix/Marvel.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Cythereal posted:

Seems to be aiming for a kind of Western feel. I like it.
Bought to watch it, but I'm pretty pumped if it keeps that feeling since I'm one of the 10 people that liked the Thomas Jane Punisher (including Thomas Jane) and that also went for a neo-Western feeling

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
I'm enjoying Punisher even though Frank Castle is a gutless war criminal who only started giving a poo poo after his family was murdered. Also Micro has to be the most naive NSA agent in history.

e. In fact there's a facile naivety about the whole show

NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 18, 2017

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