Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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Phylodox: Mar 30, 2006; College Slice

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Well Lena Dunham is going to be back in the news for a while now.

For reference:

http://mashable.com/2017/11/17/lena-dunham-murray-miller-rape-accusation-defense/#tcngCKXF9mqm

Maybe they have some legit insight on this case (they cite some vague "insider knowledge"), but what they wrote smacks of "But he can't be a rapist, he's our friend!" which is a pretty supremely lovely stance to take.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Lena is the town drunk of Twitter.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 05:55

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Lena Dunham herself admitted to abusing her little sister, and defended it.

Not surprised at all about Gene Simmons, but I'm waiting on women to come forward about Metallica because I know for a fact they've done stuff like, "for example", sticking drum sticks up groupie's asses and then making them lick them and taking pictures of it. Allegedly. And by allegedly I mean "I know someone who's seen the pictures". I highly doubt they were all over 18. Highly. Allegedly.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 05:57

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

If we're going to talk bands what the gently caress kind of horrible poo poo has Motley Crew done?

# ? Nov 18, 2017 06:20

sponges: Sep 15, 2011

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

If we're going to talk bands what the gently caress kind of horrible poo poo has Motley Crew done?

Two of them flat out admitted to raping a girl

# ? Nov 18, 2017 06:51

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

precision posted:

Lena Dunham herself admitted to abusing her little sister, and defended it.

Not surprised at all about Gene Simmons, but I'm waiting on women to come forward about Metallica because I know for a fact they've done stuff like, "for example", sticking drum sticks up groupie's asses and then making them lick them and taking pictures of it. Allegedly. And by allegedly I mean "I know someone who's seen the pictures". I highly doubt they were all over 18. Highly. Allegedly.

Oh Christ, bands with groupies, there's an untapped goldmine of sexual assault stories there.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 06:59

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

dont even fink about it posted:

Oh Christ, bands with groupies, there's an untapped goldmine of sexual assault stories there.

Don�t read up on Bowie if you want to still admire him.

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NothingMatters: Nov 17, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Drugs are one hell of a drug.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 07:12

-Blackadder-: Jan 2, 2007; Game....Blouses.

Martman posted:

Spoiler: Sorry, I'll use spoiler tags next time.

Fixed that for you.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 08:06

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

To be fair, their phrasing made it seem like Dunham et al had some more knowledge on the issue otherwise that's a real bold claim to be making.

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Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

*nevermind I'll ask this elsewhere*

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Nov 18, 2017

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lament.cfg: Dec 28, 2006; we have such posts
to show you

DrVenkman posted:

To be fair, their phrasing made it seem like Dunham et al had some more knowledge on the issue otherwise that's a real bold claim to be making.

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."

# ? Nov 18, 2017 16:24

Nucleic Acids: Apr 10, 2007; Can't post for 10 hours!

Dunham is the living incarnation of White Lady Feminism, so this isn�t a surprise.

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Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Washington Post published an article last night about harassment associated with Ted Talks;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...m=.7095acdb7602

It starts off in line with expectations, about how the conferences are just miserable for a lot of women, and then mentions how leadership decided to start talking about the issue;

quote:

"The TED officials also expressed worries about the complaints becoming public.

�It seems 51 percent chance or more that there will be at least social media posts about the issue if not articles (What is our response),� Rielly wrote. "

Before mentioning harassment problems the company has had itself;

quote:

Jordan Reeves, a former junior staffer, said in an interview that while he was working at the organization, he was harassed by Rielly in 2014. Rielly told him �incredibly� explicit jokes at work and told him that his �rear end looked nice� in jeans.

�I was hearing from everybody, men and women alike, about misconduct,� Reeves said. �It seemed so systemic that I was overwhelmed.�

Reeves said he complained about the incidents to Anderson and another executive, telling them that �if things don�t change systemically I�m going to leave.�

Anderson replied that Rielly was only joking and asked Reeves to keep the conversation between them, according to Reeves.

Reeves, who said he cried during the meeting, gave notice about six months later.

and

quote:

In 2014, TED offered to settle a sexual harassment case for about $31,000 with a young woman who worked on one of the organization�s digital marketing teams, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post.

The woman�s lawyer told Anderson that the woman�s boss had repeatedly asked her about her sex life, according to a May 2014 complaint she filed to TED, which was obtained by The Post.

After she reported the misconduct, her boss took her off some accounts she had developed � a move she saw as retaliatory, according to the complaint. That document also alleges that TED had initially asked her to keep working for the same boss.

TED did not comment on the settlement.

The Anderson mentioned is Ted Anderson, owner and founder of the company and Tom Rielly Director of Partnerships and the guy that delivers the closing speech of the conferences every year.

# ? Nov 18, 2017 19:55

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

WaPo is doing loving work on this topic. They published an article about sexual abuse in Olympic training last night as well. It's really loving horrifying; the obvious lede is the Larry Nasser case but they go back something like 32 years in the article with accusations of abuse coming out of a lot of different sports.

quote:

As the number of women accusing former Olympic gymnastics team physician Larry Nassar of sexual assault has continued to rise this year � surpassing 130, including at least five former Team USA members � victims, lawyers and members of Congress have directed outrage at USA Gymnastics, whose chief executive resigned in March.

While the Nassar case has captured public attention because of the renown of a few of his accusers, it is far from an isolated instance. The problem of sexual abuse in Olympic sports organizations extends well beyond the confines of one sport, or one executive.

More than 290 coaches and officials associated with the United States� Olympic sports organizations have been publicly accused of sexual misconduct since 1982, according to a Washington Post review of sport governing body banned lists, news clips and court records in several states. The figure spans parts of 15 sports and amounts to an average of eight adults connected to an Olympic organization accused of sexual misconduct every year � or about one every six weeks � for more than 36 years.

The figure includes more than 175 officials convicted of sex crimes as well as those who never faced criminal charges and have denied claims, such as Andy Gabel, an Olympian and former U.S. Speedskating president banned from the sport in 2013 after two women alleged he forced himself on them; and Don Peters, the 1984 Olympic gymnastics coach banned after two women alleged he had sex with them when they were teenagers.

The Nassar case � in which USA Gymnastics officials waited five weeks after first hearing a complaint to report Nassar to law enforcement in 2015, and then didn�t inform Michigan State, where he continued to work with young athletes until August 2016 � is the latest in a series of well-publicized incidents in which Olympic sports organizations committed errors that left children at risk.

Why does this keep happening? Interviews with dozens of officials in Olympic sports and a review of thousands of pages of records produced in lawsuits filed by abuse victims highlight a culture in which limiting legal risk and preserving gold medal chances have been given priority over safeguarding children.

Until this year, the U.S. Olympic Committee resisted calls for changes to a federal law that has, at times, inspired flawed responses by Olympic officials to suspicions of abuse. Top officials at other Olympic sports organizations delayed reforms by balking at common child protection measures as costly and intrusive. And Olympic sports lawyers � victims� advocates blame one influential firm, in particular � have instilled an unusually strong fear of lawsuits that routinely arises when new child-protection measures are proposed.

�We�re hearing all about gymnastics, but the problems in gymnastics are equally as prevalent in every other sport,� said Katherine Starr, a former Olympic swimmer and abuse victim who founded Safe4Athletes, a nonprofit that works to combat abuse. �People are starting to understand the complexity of this and how this stays in the system. . . . It stays in the system because of governance, because of the people in charge.�

In the past three years, the USOC has improved safety policies significantly across Olympic sports organizations. Criminal background checks and abuse-education programs � common in other youth-serving organizations since the 1990s � have been mandatory since 2014. This year, a new nonprofit agency, the U.S. Center for SafeSport, took over dealing with suspected abuse in Olympic sports.

USOC board Chairman Larry Probst and Chief Executive Scott Blackmun declined interview requests for this story. In an interview, USOC board member Susanne Lyons praised Blackmun for changes he has pushed since taking over in 2010.

�I think we all feel, in hindsight, how could we have let this take so long? . . . All up and down that food chain, there were failures in the system that I think everyone regrets,� Lyons said. �The best we can do now is just go forward aggressively.�

In a year marked by long-quiet allegations of harassment and assault against powerful men erupting into public view, the Nassar case has brought unprecedented attention to abuse in Olympic sports. In the past few weeks, Olympic gymnasts McKayla Maroney and Aly Raisman have gone public with their allegations of abuse by Nassar.

In speaking out, these women have highlighted ingrained, cultural aspects of Olympic sports organizations � attitudes and customs they�ve observed in leadership as well as in local coaches and clubs � that present challenges to the current reform effort.

�Most Olympic sports are set up in a way that is not great for protecting children. You have people at the higher levels who really, really want to win,� said AnnMaria De Mars, a technology executive and mother of Olympic judo fighter and mixed martial arts star Ronda Rousey. �And then you have lots of young women spending lots of time with older men.�

The rest of the article goes into a lot more detail but this is a good layout. I have to imagine the same circumstances surround child actors that surround child athletes. Surrounded by older men who have power and the ability to make or break the kid, parents that might put success higher than safety, kids who are in a situation where if they can just ignore what might be happening, they can be famous and successful and rich and everything you're "supposed to be" in this world.

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DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

Good coaches and artists are also not fungible resources. If winning is the top priority, you won't fire the best coach just cause he fucks kids cause all the not kid loving coaches won't get you Gold. It's a nasty and perverse situation that speaks to a rottenness at the core of the whole concept

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precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Nucleic Acids posted:

Dunham is the living incarnation of White Lady Feminism, so this isn�t a surprise.

She's trying to walk it back now, very poorly. All she's apologizing for is the timing of what she said:

https://www.avclub.com/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-defending-girls-writer-accus-1820580917

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Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

You would have thought she'd have learned from this exact thing happening to Amy Schumer just over a year ago.

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Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

DeimosRising posted:

Good coaches and artists are also not fungible resources. If winning is the top priority, you won't fire the best coach just cause he fucks kids cause all the not kid loving coaches won't get you Gold. It's a nasty and perverse situation that speaks to a rottenness at the core of the whole concept

This is basically the plot of Kamoshida from Persona 5.

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The Cameo: Jan 20, 2005

And Kamoshida, like most of the bosses in Persona 5, is based on an actual person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masato_Uchishiba

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DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

precision posted:

She's trying to walk it back now, very poorly. All she's apologizing for is the timing of what she said:

https://www.avclub.com/lena-dunham-apologizes-for-defending-girls-writer-accus-1820580917

Aurora Perrineau is a wild rear end name, also I think she's Mercutio from Romeo+Juliet's daughter

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Tars Tarkas: Apr 13, 2003; Rock the Mok

A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.

Russell Simmons allegedly raped a 17 year old in front of Brett Ratner, who just watched

quote:

�I looked over at Brett and said �help me� and I'll never forget the look on his face,� she recalled. �In that moment, the realization fell on me that they were in it together.�

Khalighi said that Simmons, who was then about twice her age, tried to force her to have intercourse. �I fought it wildly,� she said. He eventually relented and coerced her to perform oral sex, she alleged. �I guess I just acquiesced.�

Ratner, meanwhile, �just sat there and watched,� she said.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html

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precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Russell Simmons being a piece of poo poo surprises me not even one iota.

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viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Nucleic Acids posted:

Dunham is the living incarnation of White Lady Feminism, so this isn�t a surprise.

I prefer the term "toxic feminism" instead TBH.

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DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Terry Crews has posted an email he received from Simmons asking him to drop his claim against the guy who assaulted him as well.

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muscles like this!: Jan 17, 2005

Jeffrey Tambor has quit from Transparent due to the harassment claims. Although he continues to profess his innocence.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I do really wish we could shy away from extrapolating which artists we think are predators based on the art they made (Larry Clark notwithstanding)

I respect the sentiment but I really want to hear some poo poo about Garry Marshall or the Nickelodeon dude.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 01:11

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

DrVenkman posted:

Terry Crews has posted an email he received from Simmons asking him to drop his claim against the guy who assaulted him as well.

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/932276034388467712

Terry Crews is such a boss.

He just comes across as a genuinely good person in every interview I've seen him in.

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IShallRiseAgain: Sep 12, 2008; Well ain't that precious?

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

You would have thought she'd have learned from this exact thing happening to Amy Schumer just over a year ago.

Lena Dunham admitted to molesting her little sister, and didn't even think she did anything wrong. She ain't learning anything from anybody.

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viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/932369292103786496

lol If you don't think Rose McGowan's "cocaine residue" was planted by the same people threatening Terry Crews.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 05:35

DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

Oh no, not consensual relations with sex workers. Sex workers making more in a night than most people do in a month no less. Like even if true, what kind of threat is slut shaming a dude for hiring escorts? No one cares

# ? Nov 20, 2017 05:47

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

DeimosRising posted:

Oh no, not consensual relations with sex workers. Sex workers making more in a night than most people do in a month no less. Like even if true, what kind of threat is slut shaming a dude for hiring escorts? No one cares

He's married, dummy.

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Vegetable: Oct 22, 2010

Also Crews has a good guy image that wouldn�t go down so well with those stories. It was a hit on his personal and professional life.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 06:09

davidspackage: May 16, 2007; Nap Ghost

One of the few good things to come out of the popularity of social media is that people can now get their own story out before attempts to mute and smear them take effect.

I'm hugely disappointed by Tambor. It'd be nice if one of these fucks took actual responsibility for their misconduct and apologized, let alone come forward before they're accused. Though I get that it's legally unwise to do so.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 07:46

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

viral spiral posted:

Terry Crews is such a boss.

He just comes across as a genuinely good person in every interview I've seen him in.

Yeah, he seems on the level of Keanu Reeves as far as "actually nice celebs". Nail 'em up, Terry.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 09:35

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Lena Dunham admitted to molesting her little sister, and didn't even think she did anything wrong. She ain't learning anything from anybody.

Honestly, much of what Dunham wrote about seemed like the mostly harmless, if oddly sexual seeming, type of exploration kids do. My big issue is the way she she wrote about it, and that she felt the need to write about some of it, in the first place.

The stuff she wrote about doing as a pre teen/teenager while her sister was like seven years younger, though, was skeazy as hell and she writes about it as if the skeaziness is a silly joke. Kind of hosed up imo. I can't really look at that and say 'weird, but no big deal' like the story about the pebbles or whatever.

I've never much liked Lena Dunham, she just seems like a douche bag. This whole mess with her writer friend and the accusation against him does not surprise me in the least, like her reaction to it. I never bought her brand of activism, so her walking it back on 'listen and believe' is like, 'of course she would'.

Girls was a good show, though, and she was surprisingly great in AHS this year. Shame she's such a twat.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 09:48

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Big sisters do stupid poo poo. When my sister was 12 or 13 and I was 5 as a joke her and her friends would strip me naked and throw me out of the back door, then lock all the doors to the house except the front door so I had to run around to the front naked.

And you know what, that poo poo is hilarious, I gotta give it to her.

# ? Nov 20, 2017 14:45

Dog_Meat: May 19, 2013

precision posted:

Lena Dunham herself admitted to abusing her little sister, and defended it.

Not surprised at all about Gene Simmons, but I'm waiting on women to come forward about Metallica because I know for a fact they've done stuff like, "for example", sticking drum sticks up groupie's asses and then making them lick them and taking pictures of it. Allegedly. And by allegedly I mean "I know someone who's seen the pictures". I highly doubt they were all over 18. Highly. Allegedly.

Was that the band? I remember one of the behind the scenes documentaries in the 90s showing some roadie going through a bunch of polaroids saying things like "I figure if they can take the stick all the way up to the logo they get to keep the stick". Roadies have always been skeevy when it comes to mopping up groupies desperate for an 'in' to meet their idols.

Not trying to say it didn't happen - lets be honest, big rock stars indulge in everything else. I just specifically remember that roadie going through a bunch of photos saying things like "nice mother... ooh, sisters..."

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Darko: Dec 23, 2004

davidspackage posted:

I'm hugely disappointed by Tambor. It'd be nice if one of these fucks took actual responsibility for their misconduct and apologized, let alone come forward before they're accused. Though I get that it's legally unwise to do so.

This is something that a lot of people don't understand; public figures with lots of money behind their name, have to be really, really careful about admitting anything ahead of time, and when they *do* admit something, how they admit it is very, very important, legally.

Franken had to say he didn't recall that incident happening that way, *especially* if he didn't recall it happening that way. The initial allegations about Louis CK years ago had things like him forcefully blocking the door (as stated by a friend of a friend that recalls hearing it that way as opposed to the victim) that were not in the current allegations he responded to, etc. Everyone pretty much has to shut up now and respond to things specifically after the fact without implicating themselves in more than they need to.

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Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

Yea when it comes to public embarrassment a lot of celebrities understand that they have to just eat it and accept that the public will never look at them the same way again.

But when it comes to actual financial ruin or legal jeopardy, as in the people you hurt could potentially come in and take huge amounts of the money you made that was supposed to support an extremely comfortable lifestyle for the rest of your life, many of them will literally do whatever it takes to protect themselves. Victim blaming, frivolous counter-lawsuits, stalking and intimidation, it's all fair game once they realize their cush lifestyle might be in danger of permanently going away.

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