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Big Scary Owl posted:Regarding the input practice talk, there's a technique that I feel is not mentioned very often. If you're a male, you can use your own natural stick to practice inputs. It will teach you how to do most inputs cleanly since you will be able to naturally feel which direction you just pressed instead of having to rely on practice mode to show your inputs. As practice, try doing a DP with it and you'll notice how naturally you will be able to perform it. But what if I play on a hitbox?
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Jack Trades posted:But what if I play on a hitbox? Practice on your four weird misaligned nipples
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Nobody needs to practice hitbox its the sure fire way to win every match that gamers don't want you to know about
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Nov 28, 2017 03:46
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Pomp posted:please source your quotes i am the source 
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Nov 28, 2017 05:26
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Poniard posted:me when i lose big time https://twitter.com/vlokkin/status/931660392308363264
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Nov 28, 2017 07:10
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Quick note on the SRK / motor function discussion. I don't recommend trying to learn them on SFV. Pop on fightcade or even USF4. That game is really really lax about what it considers correct inputs. Even playing it for a couple hours I can feel myself getting lazy with the motions. Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwP2CzhY9ko&t=37s
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Nov 28, 2017 19:49
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Modern esports capcom games accept poo poo like 3,3 as an srk and its filth
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Nov 28, 2017 19:55
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usf4 has the same weird poo poo like 636 is a DP
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Nov 28, 2017 19:57
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Play games with IAD's and learn them. They're good for you.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:04
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Booyah- posted:usf4 has the same weird poo poo like 636 is a DP I think SFV uses the same leniency system as SFIV? The DP motion in both games is [Any Forward] - [Any Down] - [Any Forward]. Same with 360 motions, for example, I used to do those with 214 698 or 236 478. I honestly think that it's a good compromise but then again, of course I would think that since SFIV was my first FG.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:09
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Speaking of sf, im not the biggest vesper fan but i saw the thumbnail on this video calling for the removal of neutral crush counters in sfv and like a dumbass i clicked it out of curiosity. He makes some good points https://youtu.be/wL6AiU14W8k Outside of the original core cast, who tend to have cc's that whiff crouchers and arent really safe/good pressure tools, most characters in sfv have no incentive to do anything but spam cc's due to priority of heavies over other moves and the severely bad range of lights/mids. The top tier characters also have cc's that are safe on block or allow you to keep pressure on block The second half of the vid lost me cause he starts talking about fixing it when the whole rest of the game is broke and bad but he makes his greasy living off streaming capcom games so whatever.
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Kwilty posted:Quick note on the SRK / motor function discussion. I don't recommend trying to learn them on SFV. Pop on fightcade or even USF4. That game is really really lax about what it considers correct inputs. Even playing it for a couple hours I can feel myself getting lazy with the motions. SFV's input interpreter is so weird that sometimes actually makes stuff harder for me. It doesn't seem to care if your QCFs for super are very clean so a lot of the times I do something like 2MP6323MP3 or whatever and get super instead of DP, which sucks. I know that's not the cleanest DP but it literally doesn't happen in any other game.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:12
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CRISPYBABY posted:Play games with IAD's and learn them. They're good for you. I ended up getting an arcade stick around the time Persona 4 Arena hit, and it was rough doing IADs. But after learning that a 9 input works a lot better for the jump, getting used to it got a lot easier. Playing Nine in BB and Ky in GG is also getting me more accustomed of to Super jump and Jump Install stuff. Of course, it took me a few years to get comfortable doing a lot of this stuff without killing my hand.
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It's possible to do an IAD with an input other than 9 neutral 6? That sounds horrible.
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Nov 28, 2017 20:38
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AFAIK 99 or 77 works in most games for an instant airdash.
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Arcana Heart lets you IAD with things like 669 and even 667 I think, it's loose as hell. Backwards too.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:15
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Elephunk posted:AFAIK 99 or 77 works in most games for an instant airdash. No, that just means you have sloppy diagonal inputs.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:16
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IADs suck all games should have two-button dashes. 
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9PP is the Good IAD
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mango sentinel posted:9PP is the Good IAD My man or girl.
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CRISPYBABY posted:It's possible to do an IAD with an input other than 9 neutral 6? That sounds horrible. 9 neutral 66 is what I typically do now, but when I first got the stick, I was trying 8 on either side like a dummy. I hold the stick between my ring and middle fingers and going from 8 down to 6 always sucked more than just trying to do a diagonal.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:23
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CRISPYBABY posted:It's possible to do an IAD with an input other than 9 neutral 6? That sounds horrible.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:27
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IAD and Slayer's BDC became easy for me after I figured out korean backdashing. I think figuring out the return-to-neutral timing helped.
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Nov 28, 2017 21:28
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mango sentinel posted:9PP is the Good IAD *29PP for super-jump IAD god bless marvel 2
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Nov 28, 2017 21:49
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Lynx Winters posted:No, that just means you have sloppy diagonal inputs. Really? I have always sucked at them, mashing them out like that always worked better in the old GG games compared to BB/Xrd
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I'm pretty sure 99 in theory gets you a double jump in Xrd, but I haven't tested it.
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Elephunk posted:*29PP for super-jump IAD The real question there is 293PP or KK,3PP
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CRISPYBABY posted:I'm pretty sure 99 in theory gets you a double jump in Xrd, but I haven't tested it. Yeah
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I've been grinding Xrd IADs in the training room. I still only have about a 75% success rate either direction against the dummy, let alone in match. I know it's because I keep inputting sloppy 8s instead of 9s. Is there something different I should be doing? Should I change my grip or something? Or is it just a matter of chewing bricks until tighter muscle memory develops? Using a Madcatz TE2+ with factory parts. Currently using a index-middle-ring-on-top-of-the-ball grip.
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I change grips for a lot of moves. For iad its easy to just open your hand and slap the lever to 9, catch it at 5 in your grip and throw it to 6. I find returning to neutral while holding the stick much harder than letting it do it itself. Ymmv
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Third Strike had the crouching DP shortcut so it's weird when people bemoan that as a SF4 invention. There's much more egregious input leniencies in SF4/SF5 that hurt way more than they help and have no reason to use intentionally. A couple of the DP shortcuts I'm fine with just because they generally don't cause accidental inputs and to Actually Be Good you need to learn to use both inputs in different situations. Crush counters are the worst mechanic in a Street Fighter game ever. People whined about focus attacks but while those detracted from traditional elements of footsies, they also introduced a new/unique element and a decent risk/reward option to getting around typically "strong" Street Fighter moves. The armor/armor break system in SF4 is really good and I feel like people take it for granted or don't talk about it much. Crush counters just make footsies less fun. The one interesting thing they could've done with crush counters, having high-reward "bad" anti-air buttons, they purposefully designed around by making it so anti-air buttons can only have one active frame that causes crush counter. They should remove the mechanic altogether or severely revamp it so crush counter is not connected to good footsies or pressure buttons. Even the crazy anime games the mechanic is inspired from got it right by connecting Fatal Counters to buttons that generally have a downside. They should probably only be connected to things like unsafe sweeps, anti-airs and slow close buttons that are hard to use outside of reversal punish situations. It would help a lot if they didn't remove proximity normals, since then you could have long range non-crush counter normals on the same button as short range crush counter normals! bebaloorpabopalo fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:Third Strike had the crouching DP shortcut too so it's weird when people bemoan that as a SF4 invention. Did it really? Because I remember struggling a lot with DPs in 3S. Although maybe I'm mixing it up with ST or some other FightCade fighter.
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DPs in Third Strike still want you to end on diagonal and have a much tighter total input window. The reversal window is also very small and there's not very many moves with frame one invincibility in Street Fighter 3 in the first place. Overall it's not very useful in that game, but it exists and you can mash 323232323 and get a DP if you really want to.
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Gutter Owl posted:I've been grinding Xrd IADs in the training room. I still only have about a 75% success rate either direction against the dummy, let alone in match. I know it's because I keep inputting sloppy 8s instead of 9s. use whatever grip feels comfortable to you! one thing that may not be immediately apparent is there is a minimum height you can iad from, on the way up. your problem may be you are doing it too fast! try i-no in training mode against a potemkin set to block, put him in the corner and try to do iad KSH. if you are doing it low enough he will block all the hits, if you are too high the S will probably miss
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:
Worse than Slammasters in SF: The Movie or giving every move in Alpha 3 infinite juggle properties and then tying recovery to your opponent's neutral state?
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crush counters would probably be fine if you could actually play footsies and dodge them since they're usually on horrendously slow moves, so they would be inherently more risky to do since whiff punishing them would give you something of around similar damage. the fact that they're in button rps the game just makes the button rps even dumber. also even if the damage in sfv is low, the damage you get off crush counters significantly outclasses the average game damage which makes them even stupider. it's like you press one button and you get anime game damage but everything else does like a pixel. anime was right fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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I like the crush counter mechanic in theory but the crush counter buttons really need to be much worse than all non-crush counter pokes and also need to be slow enough to whiff punish and unsafe enough to get at least some minor punish on block. The fact that crush counter buttons are also good and safe pokes in SFV, coupled with the fact that you can't whiff punish anything in that game, is loving retarded.
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Jack Trades posted:I like the crush counter mechanic in theory but the crush counter buttons really need to be much worse than all non-crush counter pokes and also need to be slow enough to whiff punish and unsafe enough to get at least some minor punish on block. its really cool that you have no opinions of your own and literally just copied what two people who understand fighting games said verbatim
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Jack Trades posted:Same with 360 motions, for example, I used to do those with 214 698 or 236 478. 
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anime was right posted:its really cool that you have no opinions of your own and literally just copied what two people who understand fighting games said verbatim Totally. We all know that it's impossible for two people to independently reach the same opinion.
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