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Mangoose posted:That thing with the business class ticket for Sandi and the "the backers will never know" quote, is there an actual source for this? Is it a soundclip? Closest I could find: It is a soundbyte somewhere around 30 mins into an interview. G0RF posted:this particular interview may be the single biggest stack of Sandi Gardiner goodness in archival history. G0RF posted:(For those who do listen to that Sunny's Diner for the first time, the story about Chris encouraging Sandi to fly business class (usually $6000+ more roundtrip) is about 30 minutes in... ) 
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TheAgent posted:its so weird seeing almost the exact same thing happen to every shitshow game over the last decade Incidentally these could also be half of the forum rules for The MMO HMO subforum. (The other half beeing: buy smallest entry to game, dogpile with goons and grief the poo poo out of everything thats not nailed to the wall, have an incredible amount of fun, deinstall, wait for next game.) Edit: SC is basically the next WOW killer. dogboy fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Orions Lord posted:Where did this 9m figure came from? Their own reporting, cross-reference and compared with other companies doing the same thing, suggesting a burn rate of >$100k a day or $3M a month. ×3 for an entire quarter.
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Golli posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIz3klPET3o This is awesome and made me discover this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMgnZYpbM-M
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Funny, I feel the same way about Matt.
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Tippis posted:Their own reporting, cross-reference and compared with other companies doing the same thing, suggesting a burn rate of >$100k a day or $3M a month. Star Citizen : Going For Broke.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If anything it makes their argument worse, because the backers literally have no idea what they're going to claim outside of its area. The pizza analogy works if you make a few tweaks: Apparently you have to survey the plot of land you want to claim, and then hand carry the printout to the claims office before you will be allowed to redeem your claim. In the pizza analogy, that means you have to buy a pizza coupon, wait for the franchise to be built, buy a pizza-examination kit (survey ship/equipment), open all the boxes and examine the pizzas to see if they are any that you like, write down the box number and contents, then hurry home in your superfast pizza ordering car, place the order online entering the information that you wrote down, and hope that someone else doesn't buy it first. If successful then you can go back to the store and use your $850 pizza fork to start eating. (edit: and have a bunch of friends come watch you eat, just in case a bunch of goons want to come by and disturb you). Golli fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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no_recall posted:I must've missed the memo. Could you explain this? I'm a bit confused which one you didn't get, the one from Titanic or the current thread title In case you mean the current thread title, just watch this classic and look when you arrive at 1:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc In case you mean Titanics, I thought that "naked video game production orgy" is a very fitting analogy for cig. Although I don't dot share the rage over the old video as much it makes for a very nice title.
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The Titanic posted:Isn’t this against reddit rules? Yeah, and the thing that got Piranha into hot water over the Transverse MMO they tried to crowdfund where combat was a stretch goal. They made their own subreddit and liberally astroturfed it. That was some purestrain comedy.
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FailureToReport posted:I was actually playing Elite and streaming when the leak hit, and one of the regulars on my channel who is a whale started in defending CIG, saying there was no way it was real and that CIG would not sell land. I went ahead and doubled down on faith that the goon intelligence arm knew what it was talking and kind of egged him on a bit. You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? If they'd thrown everyone with LTI a free claim staff, they'd be wading in cum right now. Think about that.
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Hav posted:You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? Yeah but they don't give a poo poo about making backers happy, they only want them to spend more money.
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Hav posted:You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? Oh for sure, having it be cash only pissed off a lot of old backers, and the others who are pissed off that it feels cash grabby, give everyone with an LTI package a freebie and they are all going to be on Reddit and Spectrum jerking each other over their homesteading fantasy while also opening up the doors for CIG to rake in the money from the usual suspects who would have bought in hard on this. Huge missed opportunity there, CIG could learn a thing or two from crack dealers.
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Hav posted:You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? CIG intern reading the thread later today:  
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SelenicMartian posted:AHahahahaha Lip sync actually works.  big nipples big life posted:Yeah but they don't give a poo poo about making backers happy, they only want them to spend more money. Yeah, look at those idiots in Vegas, comping rooms and making the whales feel comfortable about spending cash. FailureToReport posted:Huge missed opportunity there, CIG could learn a thing or two from crack dealers. Don't use your own product should be right up near the top. Virtual Captain posted:CIG intern reading the thread later today: I'm just after a freebie on my sad little account. I'll put it next to the fishtank and towel.
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Hav posted:Yeah, look at those idiots in Vegas, comping rooms and making the whales feel comfortable about spending cash. I didn't say they were.... Smart
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big nipples big life posted:I didn't say they were.... Smart 
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Hav posted:Yeah, and the thing that got Piranha into hot water over the Transverse MMO they tried to crowdfund where combat was a stretch goal. They made their own subreddit and liberally astroturfed it. Cripes, I still remember that. Looking at it from the RSI forums back then, this poo poo actually looked sane by comparison, but in hindsight even Piranha had enough sense to fire that community lead of theirs, whatever his name was, and just call the thing off. CIG won't ever do either so long as it can attract a few high-paying whales with the song of dreams.
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Hav posted:You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? One of the things I really love about Star Citizen's comedy is how nickel-and-dime it's become. They have what is easily the most rabid, generous fan base in the world. These people have given them hundreds of millions. Normally you would expect a game company that existed entirely on the basis of "Pledges" to express some... gratitude? Remember the "Loyalty rewards" in the early days and how original backer packages were steadily fluffed up with extra crap for the first 40 or 50 million worth of milestones? That's another part of Era 1 of SC development that has entirely departed. Now it's like- you want forum access? Pay up. You want to see the keynote at our fan convention in person? 60 bucks. You want more weapons for your spaceship? Gonna cost ya. It's not just that they're greedy, it's that they're nakedly hostile about that greed. They clearly don't even like their fan base and have worked really hard to turn what used to feel like a community company into a big impersonal storefront where just getting through the door starts to cost you. This is one of the reasons I'm so skeptical about any of their sales numbers. There is absolutely no way that new people are coming into that kind of environment.
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Wuxi posted:Wait, what? It's about as legal as CIG roleplaying a Sovereign Citizen and creating their own illegal TOS terms that are outright lies then claiming that anyone contacting them after the date they created the illegal terms are subject to those illegal terms because they exist in written form. Probably about as legal as refusing to refund StreetRoller, then when PayPal inquired about a refund for non-delivery they provided tracking information for a mystery physical item to prove they delivered a product to stop the refund, then refused the refund again until contacted by the attorney general where they lied and said they had already granted it before finally granting it. Also as legal as simply ignoring and then deleting inconvenient legal obligations in their Terms of Service like providing refunds and financials if the game is two years past release. Which was over a year ago. About as legal as selling scripted cinematic cutscenes as the product they are charging millions of dollars for. About as legal as denying refunds, then lying about why they denied them, then lying that they have delivered a product to argue they wouldn't be subject to a refund even if they were obligated to give one, then when they finally give it they lie and say they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Maybe as legal as trying to refuse to refund gifted items to the person who received it because they didn't buy it and the person who bought it because they don't have it anymore. Possibly as legal as completely ignoring their kickstarter campaign and running off to their own platform where they try to ignore laws they don't like while making poo poo up to take advantage of people. Also as legal as having paid employees tell customers in official communications that the game has no paid advantages and that there are no land sales which are also not paid advantages. Seriously this is straight out of Trailer Park Boys. The boys have someone breaking into houses and carrying what they steal to the curb but they are just picking up things that someone put on the curb which are garbage. They had nothing to do with how it got to the curb. Ain't nothing illegal about picking up garbage someone put on the curb. VictorianQueerLit fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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I called up my real estate agent to see if I could list SC land on the MLS. I figure if I have 16 square km of land, I should be able to raise a few hundred thousand from it. Also, thanks thread for the laffs. I'm actually kind of surprised CIG has held on this long.
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FailureToReport posted:Yeah the majority of the responses I'm getting are either: gently caress it. I laughed. ...but I'm still not buying your schtick. You're a loving broken-brained hypocrite who has just now discovered where the cool kids hang out. And if someone hadn't paid 10 bux so we could laugh at you, my guess is you'd still be peddling your bullshit to the clowns in your lovely YT channel. So go gently caress yourself. ----------------
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So I was really racking my brain to think of what SC is going to sell next because "Pride" is not a physical entity that can be exchanged for currency so really they're running out of stuff to monetize. Luckily, a Citizen seems to have come up with the solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7gdto6/please_cig_add_space_casinos/?st=jal6utel&sh=439afc39 quote:Please CIG Add Space Casinos! Don't say it'll never happen, folks.
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Hav posted:You wanna know the real irony of all of this bullshit? Haha, that is so true. If they'd given a lot of these claims away for free, people would have thought they had more value and tried to game the system by buying more.
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AP posted:Haha, that is so true. If they'd given a lot of these claims away for free, people would have thought they had more value and tried to game the system by buying more. They would have pissed off all the people who had to purchase a Pioneer during Citcon to get their free claim.
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D_Smart posted:gently caress it. I laughed. God loving dammit Derek, you have made the last 5 years of following Star Citizen worth every moment. Don't ever change. *edit - I realise you're the original internet warlord and haven't changed in forever, it's just all still new for me ya know?* IcarusUpHigh fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Golli posted:They would have pissed off all the people who had to purchase a Pioneer during Citcon to get their free claim. Just give them a larger plot, Citizens are idiots. Come on CIG intern, it's not too late, there's still time in November to get another couple of million out of these suckers.
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SelenicMartian posted:
Sandi showing us how much more room she has in business class so she doesn't have to sit next to a pleb.
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PederP posted:The ratio of environment/character/vehicle artists to concept/splash/marketing artists would actually be pretty interesting info, and very indicative of the actual intent to produce a game and not just sell dreams. Environment art is usually one of the most expensive and manpower-intensive parts of AAA production. They use a lot of contractors for jpeg/marketing art. I know a few of them personally, and they like the pay but hate the approval process because the goal posts never stop moving on a piece, and CIG expecta them to keep iterating on a single piece for weeks (can you light the whole thing from the other direction?) - even though they are paid on a per piece basis. A couple have said gently caress it, not worth it, and gon back to concepting for real games with real art direction
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I think CIG should go back to implementing functional in-game toilets, but charge US$10 for each pack of toilet rolls.
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Mr Fronts posted:I think CIG should go back to implementing functional in-game toilets, but charge US$10 for each pack of toilet rolls. $15 if you want two-ply
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If anything it makes their argument worse, because the backers literally have no idea what they're going to claim outside of its area. The pizza analogy works if you make a few tweaks: Also, your ability to eat a pizza has been discussed, but not actually implemented. Alimentary canal 2.0 coming soon.
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kw0134 posted:"I'm not selling you land, I'm giving you a deed that has your name on it and a place to write in a description for a piece of terrain!" This is literally the argument they're making haha holy poo poo this is so idiotic. When I gave a guy a whole pile of money, it wasn't to buy a house, it was to get him to sign a piece of paper, that's all! It’s worse than that though. Much worse. I’m not the first to point it out but let’s give it the full attention it deserves. Listen to this. Chris Roberts is unironically laying out the textbook case for a Protection Racket. quote:A protection racket is a scheme whereby a group provides protection to businesses or other groups through violence outside the sanction of the law. Through the credible threat of violence, the racketeers deter people from swindling, robbing, injuring, sabotaging or otherwise harming their clients. Now, listen to Chris Roberts pitch: quote:“So you could go to a world outside UEE space. You don’t have to have a claim or do anything. You could build a base or hang out there or whatever, you know... Mine resources there but it is completely the Wild West so some other player could just come in and try to take it from you forcibly. You’ve built a base, you log off so it could get attacked, so you’d have to worry about defending it all the time. Chris Roberts knows exactly what he’s doing and what audience he’s targeting. This one is aiming right at the insecurities of his most invested backers, the ones with the most ships and the frailest egos, the ones with the most to lose. This is e-peen insurance sold to you by E-Peen Industries. Roberts wants them to fear the risks — he outlines them and frames the hopelessness of protecting what’s yours without his help. All but stated is the clear message, “You’ll have to sleep sometime. You’ll never be able to keep it safe around the clock. Someone could come and steal it, destroy it, and what could you do to stop them? You can’t really, not alone anyway. But don’t worry because you don’t have to. We’ve got the solution already planned, your own private security force is only a moment away. Buy the claim, place the beacon, and we’ll be there when you need us to protect all you hold dear. Otherwise, well... it’s the Wild West out there and well, it’s really only a matter of time before you lose it all.” It is absolutely an in-game protection racket, sold by the party who controls all the rules of the Verse. They could define them any way they wanted but they chose a model that makes you vulnerable then monetizes the insecurity caused by the vulnerability they enabled. ”It’s nice to have a family. A man should tJe care, seetgat nothing happens to ‘em.”
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TheAgent posted:lol I just like how he automatically assumes the thread doesn't like the new guy because he doesn't. He's the only one that believed Lazrin calling him our leader.
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Sarsapariller posted:So I was really racking my brain to think of what SC is going to sell next because "Pride" is not a physical entity that can be exchanged for currency so really they're running out of stuff to monetize. No, if they survive (lol! they won't) long enough for ANY meaningful gameplay mechanic to make it into the game, my guess is mining licenses will follow land claims. Think about it. ----------------
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G0RF posted:It’s worse than that though. Much worse. I’m not the first to point it out but let’s give it the full attention it deserves. lol if the UEE protection is the equivalent of a red-light camera that puts your name on a 'Wanted' list and they rely on bounty hunters to bring you in for 'justice'.
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D_Smart posted:gently caress it. I laughed. Dude you know if we had to choose between him or you you'd lose right. Like you barely beat out Seraph and that's just because he's way too into kids, his other posting was more amusing.
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