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With the amount of self actualization that took place tonight I could almost see this being the last season. Character arcs are definitely nearing their end, but there’s kind of a lot of plot left for just two more episodes. On the other hand, it’s hard to see how they’d pull off a more satisfying climax than episodes 5-7, which resolved 2.5 years worth of plot tension.
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Nov 30, 2017 08:42
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In the beginning scene did kid Elliott shush the empty seat next to him?
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Nov 30, 2017 09:21
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This show is SO GOODBoris Galerkin posted:In the beginning scene did kid Elliott shush the empty seat next to him?
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Nov 30, 2017 09:33
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Boris Galerkin posted:In the beginning scene did kid Elliott shush the empty seat next to him? Hey so how the gently caress does this really lead to undoing the hack?  Did they not full on delete data and the data's backup? How would understanding how the hack went down enable a way to undo the hack? DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 10:21
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The original hack didn't delete the data, it locked it up and threw away the key, basically. If Romero actually had keyloggers on all the computers in the meeting place, you could go back through the logs and find the password to unlock everything.
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Nov 30, 2017 10:49
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GobiasIndustries posted:The original hack didn't delete the data, it locked it up and threw away the key, basically. If Romero actually had keyloggers on all the computers in the meeting place, you could go back through the logs and find the password to unlock everything.
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Nov 30, 2017 10:51
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I don't remember if the bank attack from s2 was exactly the same thing but yeah Elliot definitely said the key was set to auto-delete after finishing encrypting everything in s1.
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Nov 30, 2017 11:02
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So if that's true... why? Unless you plan on reversing the hack, which Mr. Robot very much didn't want to do and I'm fairly certain nobody else wanted to do either, isn't an rm -rf * going to be faster than an encrypt scheme? I feel like I have to re-watch season 1 now... which isn't the worst thing to do, considering it's the best. Also, just saying this because nobody else did: They went with a cinematic widescreen for this episode. For the most part, it worked, considering the weight of the episode, but I think would've worked better in the one-take episode. Also also, did anyone else notice the camera do a weird thing both times Elliot was "shut out" by his dead friends' families? It kinda refocused the background, bending it a bit. Really super subtle way of making the viewer feel like something's off and I think really well done since it's one of the more original tricks Sam Esmail's played this season. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 11:07
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Where was Elliot's scar from the surgery, when he stripped off for that drug dealer?
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Nov 30, 2017 13:08
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Harminoff posted:I like the scene where they just magically drop all of his poo poo off in front of his house. Like there hasn't been a good few "magical coincidences" already, not the least of which is Elliott managing to survive missing so much sleep without outright dropping dead. And that latest was a good human episode with feels and a reminder that not EVERYONE is complete poo poo.
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Nov 30, 2017 13:12
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Also, it is SUCH a bloody treat to see someone like Sam really putting the mad craftsmanship into every drat scene. Not to say to everyone "Look at what an auteur I am!" but because it is what the story needs to be told properly.
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Nov 30, 2017 13:15
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I'm not crying, you're crying 
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Nov 30, 2017 13:19
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mng posted:I'm not crying, you're crying NO! YOU'RE CRYING!
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Nov 30, 2017 13:24
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DaveKap posted:Also also, did anyone else notice the camera do a weird thing both times Elliot was "shut out" by his dead friends' families? It kinda refocused the background, bending it a bit. Really super subtle way of making the viewer feel like something's off and I think really well done since it's one of the more original tricks Sam Esmail's played this season. You may have just noticed the natural thing that happens when you pull focus on an anamorphic lens. The background does a weird compression thing. But idk what Mr Robot shoots with, maybe it was a visual effect.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:33
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I really love the soft apocalypse aesthetic of this show, nothing I've ever seen really presents a world like this so well. This episode was an especially good example of it.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:12
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I did like the part where he walks out of the movie theatre and going "they didn't just do that, did they?" (See a movie about time travel, walk out and he time traveled himself)
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Nov 30, 2017 16:17
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DaveKap posted:So if that's true... why? Unless you plan on reversing the hack, which Mr. Robot very much didn't want to do and I'm fairly certain nobody else wanted to do either, isn't an rm -rf * going to be faster than an encrypt scheme? When you do “sudo rm -rf /“ (or you know, pressing delete) it doesn’t actually delete anything. It just changes the flag on those bits to say “it’s ok to write over me.” There’s a thing called “secure erase” or whatever that does the above and then overwrites that data immediately a few times with random garbage. This takes time, leaves a footprint, and probably interrupt able to some extent. On the other hand, if you encrypt the drive (or it was already encrypted) then to anyone without access all they can see is random garbage, on the entire volume. If you were to delete the key then there’s no point in doing a secure erase because everything already looks like garbage anyway. You know how iPhones have a option to “delete data after 10 wrong password tries” at the lock screen? It doesn’t actually delete any of the data, iOS just deletes the encryption key so everything is not recoverable.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:27
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T-man posted:How is this a mixed feeling episode? The kid is totally another manifestation that'll crush Elliot when he realizes it was a way for him/Mr. Robot to avoid suicide. (The lesbian shoe scene + some of the self consciousness around gay manifesting in the lobby thanks to stereotype drug dealer.) He might've talked to Angela, but she's still seriously hosed up after doing something drat near unforgivable. And our once cleaned up hero has a big bag of morphine to get re addicted with. This is all just salt on the wound, made for worrying be Elliot going back to bad blackmail hacking habits. Everything went a little farkakte for a while, but in the end humans actually perservere
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Nov 30, 2017 16:36
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Is there any word at all about renewing? This seems realistically like it could be the final season and I don't see anything to the contrary.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:45
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Golashes posted:Is there any word at all about renewing? This seems realistically like it could be the final season and I don't see anything to the contrary. When the show first launched, Esmail said he had at least 4 seasons plotted out.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:57
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DaveKap posted:Yeah, that's us. We were always his imaginary friend. That's why Mr. Robot knows about us. I took that to be Mr. Robot in the theater next to him, as in Mr. Robot was with him from the very moment his dad died. He took the jacket with him into the theater, and the jacket represents that persona in the rest of the episode. E: Right now they operate as a split personality, but remember that in season 1 Elliot could talk to and interact with him.
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Nov 30, 2017 17:13
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Modus Pwnens posted:I took that to be Mr. Robot in the theater next to him, as in Mr. Robot was with him from the very moment his dad died. I always figured Elliot jumped out the window himself, "pushed" by Mr. Robot, before he realized his dad and mr. robot werent the same thing. Like when he jumped into the water at the pier... But that would mean Mr. Robot was around before his dad died, right? So that can't be it. Still wanna know wtf happened that day
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Nov 30, 2017 17:39
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I thought for sure that kid wasn't real. Still kinda do...
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Nov 30, 2017 17:47
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timp posted:I thought for sure that kid wasn't real. I kept having that feeling too. And we still don’t know the truth about the window incident. Eliot won’t talk about the details of what happened and they’ve never shown it.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:37
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The kid at the beginning was NOT young elliot, at least not played by the same actor that's played him in every other flashback to that time period.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:45
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n.. posted:The kid at the beginning was NOT young elliot, at least not played by the same actor that's played him in every other flashback to that time period. How long has it been since we last saw young Elliott though? Kid actors age out of roles all the time.
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Nov 30, 2017 18:52
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SpaceAceJase posted:Where was Elliot's scar from the surgery, when he stripped off for that drug dealer? Yeah there has to be something to this. No scar from the gunshot?
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Nov 30, 2017 18:54
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n.. posted:The kid at the beginning was NOT young elliot, at least not played by the same actor that's played him in every other flashback to that time period. yeah, I'm pretty sure he wasn't the same kid, but he looked a lot more like Rami than the original kid.
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Nov 30, 2017 19:20
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yeah i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 85% of that episode didn't actually happen.
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Nov 30, 2017 19:56
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timp posted:I thought for sure that kid wasn't real. Thought that too. When we saw the family at the start it looked like they were packing up to leave and weren't coming back. And then later when Elliot went back to the house with the kid, it seemed pretty much abandoned. They wouldn't drive two hours away and leave their youngest child on his own, surely? I definitely felt like parts of this episode were more dream-like than usual - stuff like the bizarre conversations at the cinema, "Doc" giving Elliot his flux capacitor to hold, the sci-fi rabbi driving an ice-cream van. I rather liked those little vignettes though, I think they were a bit of a necessity to stop the sadness getting too overwhelming, even if they didn't actually happen. Maelstache fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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Nov 30, 2017 20:09
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The Angela Darlene theories are dumb as hell but it's really weird none of the flashbacks have her in them. In the Angela one he tells her to look after Elliot but not Darlene. I don't think she's imaginary or anything but I'd buy that they're doing that sort of thing intentionally to throw you off Or maybe there was an explanation for why Darlene wasn't around as a kid that I don't remember
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Nov 30, 2017 20:11
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They are like 4 years apart. Pretty huge at that age.
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Nov 30, 2017 20:18
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Maybe Darlene pushed him out and as a 'gently caress you' he erased her from his existence? so they went like decades before he finally realized who she was again in season 1? *hacks up bong hit*
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Nov 30, 2017 20:23
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Gonz posted:Whiterose’s bosses: I need trump’s mug with his solar eclipse sunglasses photoshopped into the middle guy.
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Nov 30, 2017 20:38
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This episode was utterly incredible and I wish I could show it to strangers without a lot of context. I loved that Trenton and Mobley got a stronger memorial than more important characters in other stories would get. The marks that they left behind on the world saved Elliot's life, and might just save the world too. Does anyone who's thought more about the subject have an idea about the higher than usual number of gay references in this episode? Not that they're alien to the show but they seem to pop up around crises in Elliot's life. My own tinfoil theory for this week is that the Ice Cream Rabbi was a Dark Army plant. Whiterose seems to enjoy hiring especially idiosyncratic people, and clearly hasn't finished with Elliot's place in her design. She'd want to prevent Elliot from killing himself, and couldn't hand that off to Irving or Leon or anyone Elliot knows (as the principal architect of his misery). bring back old gbs posted:Maybe Darlene pushed him out and as a 'gently caress you' he erased her from his existence? so they went like decades before he finally realized who she was again in season 1? We saw that they had a good relationship by Halloween 2014 in season 2, and she's mentioned he forgot her (and thus remembered her) before when we first figure it out.
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Nov 30, 2017 22:11
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Mameluke posted:My own tinfoil theory for this week is that the Ice Cream Rabbi was a Dark Army plant. Whiterose seems to enjoy hiring especially idiosyncratic people, and clearly hasn't finished with Elliot's place in her design. She'd want to prevent Elliot from killing himself, and couldn't hand that off to Irving or Leon or anyone Elliot knows (as the principal architect of his misery). Nah, there's no way Whiterose is going that far for Elliot. Not without a completely as-of-yet-incomprehensible reasoning behind why/how he could almost-die a couple other times but this super subtle purchasing of a large quantity of Morphies triggered the "get the kid and the rabbi" scheme.
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Dec 1, 2017 02:14
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This show's music game is on fire 24/7. It's so loving good.
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Dec 1, 2017 03:36
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I don't think the kid was fake. I feel it would cheapen things if Elliot didn't actually give something to Trenton's family. And if we assume that Elliot has earned some level of surveillance from Whiterose, he spent the whole day up to Muhammad running away doing really suspicious poo poo and wrapping up his loose ends. It would beg her attention. Elliot can handle himself most of the time. And he didn't run into any buildings that Whiterose planned to blow up. Mameluke fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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The kid is certainly meant to feel fake -- the whole episode has a dreamlike quality from movie intro to the return of the jacket at the end. The audience is primed to think that every character could be a figment of Elliot's imagination, which Esmail clearly enjoys playing with. And by starting the episode with kid Elliott, you think that Trenton's brother might just be a version of kid Elliott that adult Elliott has created to deal with his guilt and subconsciously stop himself committing suicide. But the kid was real, and everything that happened was real, but all those dreamlike elements serve to make you feel as disturbed and alienated from the world as Elliott is feeling. I think this is the first episode of the show I've really thought about how islamophobia plays a big part in the background of the show -- Mobley and Trenton picked as the terrorists by the Dark Army because they're Iranian, Elliott connecting with Trenton's dad and brother on a level I think he couldn't if he weren't Egyptian. And it exacerbates the threatening feel of the military presence as they walk home from the beach. I missed Dom from this episode but Elliott taking the lollipop from Trenton's brother (did we get a name for him?) clearly says that they'll be working together soon so I'm excited for that. Also I was surprised Trenton sent that email to Elliott and not Darlene since I got the feeling she knew Darlene a lot better than him, but maybe she "trusted" Elliott more after Darlene went off the rails a bit last season with the kidnapping and murder of that E-Corp woman and everything. Metis of the Chat Thread fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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