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I'm not really familiar with the WON hall of fame, how serious business is it?
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Incessant Excess posted:I'm not really familiar with the WON hall of fame, how serious business is it? It's voted on by actual wrestling industry people and has rules for eligibility and categories and poo poo so it's kinda serious business but I really don't understand why anyone gets upset about it.
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Nov 30, 2017 10:21
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The reasons to get upset are Dave understating his own influence with voters and some questionable people from the 1996 class that got in on Dave and basically a veterans committee vs. those who were excluded.
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Nov 30, 2017 10:41
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I've just started listening to Bruce Prichard's podcasts after listening to the Lapsed Fan's Montreal shows. I'm really enjoying them and find them entertaining, and Bruce isn't all bad but he appears to be something of a shill for Vince/HHH. His disregard for Dave Meltzer's work is a bit off putting. Should I be taking his word as gospel? He's very defensive during the steroids trial show and it made me question how reliable his recollections are. It's nice to have on at work to be fair. Passes the time.
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Nov 30, 2017 10:54
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Conrad seems to like using Meltzer as a fall guy, instead of presenting his own opinions. Every Schiavone show is “Dave Meltzer says...” followed by Tony burying the star rating system, then Conrad awkwardly sitting on the fence.
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Nov 30, 2017 11:03
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:The reasons to get upset are Dave understating his own influence with voters and some questionable people from the 1996 class that got in on Dave and basically a veterans committee vs. those who were excluded. Also sometimes it feels like a "Hall of Very Good" not a Hall of Fame
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Nov 30, 2017 11:13
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britishbornandbread posted:I've just started listening to Bruce Prichard's podcasts after listening to the Lapsed Fan's Montreal shows. I'm really enjoying them and find them entertaining, and Bruce isn't all bad but he appears to be something of a shill for Vince/HHH. His disregard for Dave Meltzer's work is a bit off putting. Should I be taking his word as gospel? He's very defensive during the steroids trial show and it made me question how reliable his recollections are. It’s not that hard to reconcile. Bruce feels Meltzer using plans change is often a cop out for being wrong, and he’s right, but at the same time plans do actual change. So in a sense they’re both right, it just depends on the individual circumstances.
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Nov 30, 2017 12:41
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52:15 is when the WOR stops talking about the hall of fame if you’re not that interested 
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Nov 30, 2017 12:41
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What do you guys think about Morales as a HoFer? Seems a bit of a stretch to me based on what little I know but I don't pretend to have enough of a grasp on 1970's wrestling to really judge him
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Nov 30, 2017 12:51
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Dave compared Yuji Nagata with Jun Akiyama as the same as both are borderline and never were quite there. I sincerely hope hes wrong in Nagata.
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Nov 30, 2017 13:11
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Lid posted:Tully and Arn got less votes than Edge thats just not right They deserve less votes than Edge.
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Nov 30, 2017 13:54
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Thauros posted:What do you guys think about Morales as a HoFer? Seems a bit of a stretch to me based on what little I know but I don't pretend to have enough of a grasp on 1970's wrestling to really judge him Somebody on the F4W frontpage made the case for him.
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Nov 30, 2017 14:12
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MassRafTer posted:They deserve less votes than Edge. nope
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Nov 30, 2017 14:14
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It's a dumb backdoor attempt to get guys in who had years to break 60% on their own. Edge is fine but his last run was not HOF stuff and I like the idea of Better Than Edge as the standard for Modern US more than I care if he gets in. Not coincidentally this standard puts an end to any consideration of Orton.
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Nov 30, 2017 14:22
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Eh, if Jericho and Rey is in, Orton might as well be.
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Nov 30, 2017 14:31
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Except Rey did a lot for lucha libre in North America and worldwide and Jericho exists beyond the wrestling sphere. Orton did...
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Nov 30, 2017 14:34
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Lid posted:Except Rey did a lot for lucha libre in North America and worldwide and Jericho exists beyond the wrestling sphere. Orton did... both (esp rey) were also far better workers in their prime and rey was a proven draw. jericho's kinda iffy himself imo
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Nov 30, 2017 14:35
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Lid posted:Except Rey did a lot for lucha libre in North America and worldwide and Jericho exists beyond the wrestling sphere. Orton did... I have high standards. 
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Nov 30, 2017 14:36
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Thauros posted:both (esp rey) were also far better workers in their prime and rey was a proven draw. jericho's kinda iffy himself imo Jericho's, and Orton's for than matter, likely best chance to be a top draw was squashed by Hunter.
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Nov 30, 2017 14:37
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It's 20 years on and people can still recall Jericho's WCW heel run, Y2J, first undisputed champion (lol), glitter jacket, scarves, the list... Orton has...
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Nov 30, 2017 14:41
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Lid posted:Orton has... intermittent explosive disorder
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Nov 30, 2017 14:45
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Lid posted:It's 20 years on and people can still recall Jericho's WCW heel run, Y2J, first undisputed champion (lol), glitter jacket, scarves, the list...
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Nov 30, 2017 14:46
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Ramp Snake
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Nov 30, 2017 14:46
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There’s No Bell To Ring
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Nov 30, 2017 14:50
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Randaconda posted:I have high standards. Rey is literally one of the best workers in history.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:16
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algebra testes posted:Also sometimes it feels like a "Hall of Very Good" not a Hall of Fame Yeah at this point Sting is in so you may as well put every good working WWE midcarder from this era in. Welcome to the Hall of Fame, Sheamus.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:16
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Lid posted:It's 20 years on and people can still recall Jericho's WCW heel run, Y2J, first undisputed champion (lol), glitter jacket, scarves, the list... Murdering Singh brothers
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Nov 30, 2017 15:17
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Endless Mike posted:Murdering Singh brothers gently caress I knew I forgot something
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Nov 30, 2017 15:21
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Yeah at this point Sting is in so you may as well put every good working WWE midcarder from this era in. Welcome to the Hall of Fame, Sheamus. Im sorry you didnt get Big Daddy in again
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Nov 30, 2017 15:21
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Lid posted:nope They were a team for a short run where Edge had a historically important and influential team, was a great worker and a decent draw. Lid posted:It's 20 years on and people can still recall Jericho's WCW heel run, Y2J, first undisputed champion (lol), glitter jacket, scarves, the list... A really big successful run after Cena's injury in 2007.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:39
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Tully and Arn is a blatant case of voters just going "oh Tully is cool, Arn is cool, guess I'll vote for them". Edge stinks and Dave's hilarious attempts to influence the voting body to get him in are great.
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Nov 30, 2017 15:43
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the brainbusters have marginal cases individually, and as a tag team they have none tenkoji being on the ballot together is also bizarre
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Nov 30, 2017 15:55
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Randaconda posted:Eh, if Jericho and Rey is in, Orton might as well be. Rey is a much bigger star than Orton and frankly Jericho. Rey made WWE the #1 promotion in Mexico for about 5 years and let them do huge drawing house show tours there along with big ratings.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:05
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MassRafTer posted:Rey is a much bigger star than Orton and frankly Jericho. Rey made WWE the #1 promotion in Mexico for about 5 years and let them do huge drawing house show tours there along with big ratings. Rey was also the difference between Smackdown being a top show among Latinos and being average, iirc.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:11
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AJ getting it makes me sad that Samoa Joe will never get in
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Nov 30, 2017 16:13
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just give Sting a goddamn moment Dave.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:18
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Orton and Edge feel like guys that had runs where they felt like HOFer's but it was long enough for them to get in. And for Orton he has too many moments where he was clearly not a HOF'er for him to get in. Lucha needs a bunch of people going in and the Non-wrestler category shouldn't be taking spots from Wrestlers IMO
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Nov 30, 2017 16:26
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SatoshiMiwa posted:
It doesn't.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:33
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Edge stinks and Dave's hilarious attempts to influence the voting body to get him in are great. Agreed. That he'd want Edge to be in and not want someone like Goldberg is his clear bias for work rate over drawing power. Sting was way better and a bigger draw than Edge too.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:50
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PaybackJack posted:Agreed. That he'd want Edge to be in and not want someone like Goldberg is his clear bias for work rate over drawing power. Sting was way better and a bigger draw than Edge too. Edge was a bigger draw than Sting come the gently caress on. Goldberg was a draw for two six month periods in his career. Sting played to empty houses for 90% of his 25 year career. Edge drew consistently above average houses on a brand that had been in the toilet for big periods of the aughts.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:56
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