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Golli
Jan 5, 2013



Ursine Catastrophe posted:

So are people who have bought ships but don't have a subscription now relegated to F2P tier and can't fly the ships they own? Because :laffo::laffo::laffo:

Why should that be a problem? They were not buying ships to fly, they were just pledging to support the game coming out, after all. CIG owes them nothing.

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Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum
also remember when CIG was like "yeah you don't need subs for this, people buying the single player game will pay for the server upkeep" :allears:

F2P is the inevitable endpoint of every MMO that didn't have a sub fee but the backer tears are going to be :discourse:

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

TheAgent posted:

hello

I wasn't exactly sure what they were talking about but no further discussion happened about that

free-to-play players
  • can access the game
  • cannot own shops / outposts / land / stations
  • cannot own ships or pilot ships
  • can crew for others / take on specific ftp missions with friends or others
  • have a total credit cap earned weekly
  • total credit cap
  • cannot craft items
  • cannot sell on the marketplace
  • no storyline content is available for f2p tier
citizen tier or citizenship
  • full access to the complete experience
  • can own buildings / shops / outposts / land /stations
  • has standard entry on markets and customer service queues
  • can create items
  • can sell on the marketplace
  • can see storyline content in SC
premium or commander tier
  • same as citizenship
  • has priority access on market lists (show up first)
  • priority access on CS queues
  • can ask developers in game about upcoming features
  • has additional storyline content via updates
  • priority choice of base (??)
additional higher tier called internally as royalty
  • invite only by dev choice
  • all content available
  • priority across the board
  • special irl and in game dinners and mixers with devs and staff
  • special promo skins
  • special bases / homes / outposts

  • f2p
  • $14.99
  • $39.99
  • $249.99

Please be true, please please, please..... :pray:

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

TheAgent posted:

hello

I wasn't exactly sure what they were talking about but no further discussion happened about that

free-to-play players
  • can access the game
  • cannot own shops / outposts / land / stations
  • cannot own ships or pilot ships
  • can crew for others / take on specific ftp missions with friends or others
  • have a total credit cap earned weekly
  • total credit cap
  • cannot craft items
  • cannot sell on the marketplace
  • no storyline content is available for f2p tier
citizen tier or citizenship
  • full access to the complete experience
  • can own buildings / shops / outposts / land /stations
  • has standard entry on markets and customer service queues
  • can create items
  • can sell on the marketplace
  • can see storyline content in SC
premium or commander tier
  • same as citizenship
  • has priority access on market lists (show up first)
  • priority access on CS queues
  • can ask developers in game about upcoming features
  • has additional storyline content via updates
  • priority choice of base (??)
additional higher tier called internally as royalty
  • invite only by dev choice
  • all content available
  • priority across the board
  • special irl and in game dinners and mixers with devs and staff
  • special promo skins
  • special bases / homes / outposts

  • f2p
  • $14.99
  • $39.99
  • $249.99

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Combat Theory posted:

Ahh sorry my phone auto corrected that. I saw them I think... 3 times? Reise Reise, best of Tour (which was absolutely kick rear end) and at WOA where I was way too drunk to remember the details.

Also :laffo: if we are practically neighbors on the global scale of the thread posters.

Reise Reise was the tour I met Combichrist as Vorband, and was the second time I went to Rammstein....ah, the memories....just awesome! I also only learned from fans why they changed their name. It was an awesome week, with Rammstein and In Extremo playing in Mannheim within a week or so....

BTW: obviously, I'm from the Mannheim-region in Germany, so much for doxxing myself ;)

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:

TheAgent posted:

additional higher tier called internally as royalty

:vince:

CIG doesn't have the servers to handle half of their existing customers, how the hell do they expect f2p to work out. Amazon lol.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!
a F2P tier that doesn't allow you to fly ships in a space game is definitely going to be something. That's like not being allowed to shoot guns in a F2P FPS game.

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



Rad Russian posted:

a F2P tier that doesn't allow you to fly ships in a space game is definitely going to be something. That's like not being allowed to shoot guns in a F2P FPS game.

Citizenship is earned bought subscribed to.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Golli posted:

Why should that be a problem? They were not buying ships to fly, they were just pledging to support the game coming out, after all. CIG owes them nothing.

I really hope to see this line of thinking in an unironic reddit post one day.

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

Rad Russian posted:

a F2P tier that doesn't allow you to fly ships in a space game is definitely going to be something. That's like not being allowed to shoot guns in a F2P FPS game.

If this turns out to be true, then they have effectively employed the nuclear option on getting new players in.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

Codezombie posted:

Lord no, coroutines still run on the same core as the main thread, and at best are time slicing as co-routines block the main thread (and vise-versa)
I'll be using threaded Task<> objects, that way I can take advantage of the other processor cores. This of course means I cannot make any Unity API calls from those threads, which is another reason to get shot of Recalculate normals. The Unity side is a script on a Gameobject, which idles waiting for the Thread to signal that its done, and at that point the Gameobject script will get back the geometry data.

There is a bit of a hiccup regarding using terrain height data doing it this way, I imagine I'll have to precache any such data into memory, as normally doing a height look up is a Unity API call (or texture look up off a compute unit if you are doing GPU generated terrain meshes)

Good luck, and keep us/me posted about your progress. Thread.Task is definitely tricky since Unity API isn't thread-safe, but it's been done before. I'm adding planetary landings to Solar Plebeian, so we may be able to share notes.

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:
Do f2p players get access to jank and T-pose emotes? What about clipping through floors?

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

TheAgent posted:

hello

I wasn't exactly sure what they were talking about but no further discussion happened about that

free-to-play players
  • can access the game
  • cannot own shops / outposts / land / stations
  • cannot own ships or pilot ships
  • can crew for others / take on specific ftp missions with friends or others
  • have a total credit cap earned weekly
  • total credit cap
  • cannot craft items
  • cannot sell on the marketplace
  • no storyline content is available for f2p tier
citizen tier or citizenship
  • full access to the complete experience
  • can own buildings / shops / outposts / land /stations
  • has standard entry on markets and customer service queues
  • can create items
  • can sell on the marketplace
  • can see storyline content in SC
premium or commander tier
  • same as citizenship
  • has priority access on market lists (show up first)
  • priority access on CS queues
  • can ask developers in game about upcoming features
  • has additional storyline content via updates
  • priority choice of base (??)
additional higher tier called internally as royalty
  • invite only by dev choice
  • all content available
  • priority across the board
  • special irl and in game dinners and mixers with devs and staff
  • special promo skins
  • special bases / homes / outposts

  • f2p
  • $14.99
  • $39.99
  • $249.99

Oh very good job man. This will def buy at least 3 pages in this thread - guaranteed 1-2 responses from Smart.

Ayn Marx
Dec 21, 2012

I'm loving Derek's new avatar, very fitting

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

Oh very good job man. This will def buy at least 3 pages in this thread - guaranteed 1-2 responses from Smart.
that means a lot coming from the most quoted poster in this thread

Ayn Marx
Dec 21, 2012

Hey Moma how are you!

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
so moma since I've never been right about a single thing, will you finally be like "okay okay you were right about a SINGLE thing" when 3.0 is still not out to the PU until 2018?

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Ayn Marx posted:

Hey Moma how are you!

Alive and well. Shame about my parents though . . .

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Toops posted:

Good luck, and keep us/me posted about your progress. Thread.Task is definitely tricky since Unity API isn't thread-safe, but it's been done before. I'm adding planetary landings to Solar Plebeian, so we may be able to share notes.

I'm also interested in this. My experience is that the only things you can use outside of the main thread regarding Unity API is stuff that is completely decoupled from rendering. And even then, you are in for quite some surprises, and I basically gave up on most of the things I tried. Then again, I only use Unity for "fun projects" where I make it quite clear that I am not a professional game developer, and I don't have the time nor experience to delve too deep into it. The only stuff I do multi-threaded in the Unity projects I have is outside of Unity API.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

TheAgent posted:

so moma since I've never been right about a single thing, will you finally be like "okay okay you were right about a SINGLE thing" when 3.0 is still not out to the PU until 2018?

Nah, I can move goalposts with the best of them.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

Nah, I can move goalposts with the best of them.

:(

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

ManofManyAliases posted:

Alive and well. Shame about my parents though . . .

I hope they aren't toast

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

TheAgent posted:

that means a lot coming from the most quoted poster in this thread

He is.....the puppetmaster.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



MoMA should post some new leaks we can quote the poo poo out of

Mu77ley
Oct 14, 2016

tuo posted:

Reise Reise was the tour I met Combichrist as Vorband, and was the second time I went to Rammstein....ah, the memories....just awesome! I also only learned from fans why they changed their name. It was an awesome week, with Rammstein and In Extremo playing in Mannheim within a week or so....

BTW: obviously, I'm from the Mannheim-region in Germany, so much for doxxing myself ;)

Been to Karlsruhe a few times for work-related stuff, sadly no time to check out much except airport/hotel/office.

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

TheAgent posted:

hello

I wasn't exactly sure what they were talking about but no further discussion happened about that

free-to-play players
  • can access the game
  • cannot own shops / outposts / land / stations
  • cannot own ships or pilot ships
  • can crew for others / take on specific ftp missions with friends or others
  • have a total credit cap earned weekly
  • total credit cap
  • cannot craft items
  • cannot sell on the marketplace
  • no storyline content is available for f2p tier
citizen tier or citizenship
  • full access to the complete experience
  • can own buildings / shops / outposts / land /stations
  • has standard entry on markets and customer service queues
  • can create items
  • can sell on the marketplace
  • can see storyline content in SC
premium or commander tier
  • same as citizenship
  • has priority access on market lists (show up first)
  • priority access on CS queues
  • can ask developers in game about upcoming features
  • has additional storyline content via updates
  • priority choice of base (??)
additional higher tier called internally as royalty
  • invite only by dev choice
  • all content available
  • priority across the board
  • special irl and in game dinners and mixers with devs and staff
  • special promo skins
  • special bases / homes / outposts

  • f2p
  • $14.99
  • $39.99
  • $249.99

This would be very good for Star Citizen. I want it to be true.

Nanako the Narc
Sep 6, 2011


If this is true, I'm calling it now that the in-game BS name they call it is going to be 'Pilots Licence'.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
mom please get priority access for your marketplace stuff, I only want to buy moma brand medkits

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

ManofManyAliases posted:

Oh very good job man. This will def buy at least 3 pages in this thread - guaranteed 1-2 responses from Smart.

Well it's more interesting than your random ciphers, so there's that.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

Rad Russian posted:

a F2P tier that doesn't allow you to fly ships in a space game is definitely going to be something. That's like not being allowed to shoot guns in a F2P FPS game.

Better get manning those turrets...

I dunno, TheAgent's not the most reliable source. Assuming good faith on his part and the part of the leaker, CIG seems pretty clearly broken up into internal fiefdoms. The higher management tiers clearly don't speak to peons. Even if this is legit it's possibly the work of someone who'll be overruled, someone who's run the numbers and realised they'll have to do something to pay the server costs, someone pondering alternative funding methods since the sale isn't going too great...

Even if this is legit, there are many many ways it couldn't happen. I'd love to reap the incredible harvest of backer tears from this too, but I won't get my hopes up just yet.

A Neurotic Corncob
Nov 12, 2016

A light wind swept over the corn, and all nature laughed in the sunshine.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I've given this three times now. I want to see SQ42 drop in its entirety next year (2017) and real progress made with the (star)systems. That is to say, everything that alpha 4.0 was touted to be - should be in 2017.

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

tuo posted:

Is Ben free-to-play at CIG, or do they still pay him actual money?

He probably pay a subscription to keep access to the office and the storage of his wc stuff.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

I'm gonna figure out how to grief the poo poo out someone with a mop or I'm gonna die trying.

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

ManofManyAliases posted:

Alive and well. Shame about my parents though . . .

They died because you didn't call them enough.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

F2P would own so hard,

10 Create Account
20 Grief
30 Get Banned
40 GOTO 10

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



big nipples big life posted:

I'm gonna figure out how to grief the poo poo out someone with a mop or I'm gonna die trying.

Wax the floor outside their wankpod. They will slip, bang their head, and bleed out in 30 seconds.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Those prices aren't meant to be subscription prices, right? Because that's too dumb to be believable.

DapperDon
Sep 7, 2016

The moment CIG does this, not only does their entire TOS go up in flames but also expect to see formal charges brought up against them. This is not a simple "things change in development" thing to be hand waved away. This is bait and switch my dude and that poo poo is illegal. Chris's kickstarter sales pitch was hung on a point of no subscription fees. It could be argued that it was a valid reason behind its success in funding. But it is not something that he can just ignore without opening the floodgates for liability.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




Lol. Just move that to the right a year or two

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ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

You're right. Let's get those refunds processed.

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