trucutru posted:

Since the likely ending for this whole farce is death by a thousand refunds, MoMA keeping his money in and thus allowing somebody else to get a refund with it, is way less negative.

trucutru posted:

It's not about polygons and fidelity, that's what PCmasterrace wankers like to jerk off to, but about style and substance. Even with all "high fidelity super realism", would that look like a thousand years into the future? Does the armor seem derivative? Are the shops attractive (like all shops should be)? Do they have a consistent style? Why are there some crudely photoshopped beer mugs (among other things) on that bar?

The questions never end.

Latin Pheonix posted:

End of sale and day figures ahoy

Mne nravitsya posted:

You are nearly spot on friend! Well done

mp5 posted:

Skippy huh

AP posted:

I don't think it's that simple, the chances are that moma's money is spent on something daft or paying part of the salaries to the 400 staff, outputting content equivalent to 20 staff with reasonable guidance , rather than providing a refund to someone else.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

TheLastRoboKy posted:

I don't blame MoMA for not trying, though I disagree with the notion you could conceivably argue that the game's development is in a good place right now in a way that would be even remotely convincing to any but the most blinkered of individuals. It's fine to have faith in what's being done (to a point), but even dismissing the arguments about the financials for CIG you can't call what's come out so far a positive sign of progress. There's so many promises made about things to come in the future but the features that are in are so fundamentally broken it's difficult to fathom how they're just going to one day go "Oh look it's all working now" simply because they've been adding stuff without fixing anything which is breaking things even more. This is the barest surface of the argument that the entire project is messed up.

It's a game that at its core features travel from point A to point B as one of the things people will likely be doing the most in the game, and the game struggles with even managing that without doing something like violently ejecting a crew member into space, or mangling them for no reason, or the ship just plain loving exploding for no reason. It's a game where we've seen someone get out of their bunk, and with the goal of walking from point A to point B died in their doorway for no good reason at all. It's a game full of doors, but the doors are either the greatest hindrance or bypassed by simply rubbing up against them till you clip through them. All of this at 15 to 20 frames per second on a good day when there's not too many people in the server, which defeats the purpose of the game since it is at its core meant to be a game featuring degrees of socialising with other players in the form of alliances, trades and conflict.

What has been released at this point is just unacceptable when set against the metric of time spent on it. You cannot hope to convince anyone here that they're being too harsh on this game and its developers when after so many years all they've done is just dump whatever they had at the time at people's feet and ask for more money.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I tried all that stuff - yada yada - it was chastised here because it doesn't conform to the "get a refund, SC is a SCAM" mantra that's circle-jerked in this thread.
Try as hard as anyone might, but predictions based on CIG's finances are nonsensical because ... get this ... no one here has access to CIG's finances. Not even Bootcha as a former investor (because they would have shown him projections, a business plan, etc, but nothing remotely close to financial statements).

Believe it or not, I'm not shilling for CIG. I have no need - CIG is making millions of dollars on their own without the help of shills. Yeah, I've dicked around here (who hasn't), but even if I were to put at least 50% effort into attempting to post a reasoned rebuttal/opinion based on my actual industry/career skill-sets and experiences, it wouldn't be met with anything other than "ban MoMA" or "your parents are dead." Which is fine because we're all dead and gay and it's a stupid video game - all that jazz.

juggalo baby coffin posted:

what the hell does FUD stand for?

Abuminable posted:

The 2017 Anniversary sale continues through Dec 4. Daz' $7.7M figure is for all of Nov 2016 revenue. The 2016 Anniversary sale was $6.74M.

Scruffpuff posted:

I suspect the answer to this lies in one of Chris Roberts' basic tenets: he thinks Hollywood movies are how life works. The Hollywood CEO takes no prisoners, and their effectiveness is never in their own intelligence, ability, aptitude, or leadership, but in the ability to be a no-nonsense guy who takes no guff and says things like "GET IT DONE!" while disregarding the lives of everyone beneath him. If you don't do what he says, then you don't have "what it takes" to work for him, implying that being under his leadership is a great privilege reserved for only the best of the best.

This was hinted at during his early pitch way, way back in the day, a small hint at his ego: "They said I was dead."

No, Chris. Nobody said you were dead. Nobody thought about you at all, even fans of Freelancer didn't know who you are. Nobody did outside a very small group of people who, had you asked them "Do you remember Chris Roberts?" would have said "No." then when pressed with "He made Wing Commander" would then say "uhh I guess so."

He's convinced that the only reason there are Bad Games™ is because he stepped away for a while to fail in other ventures.

The Titanic posted:

What I don’t like is when you pull this Eeyore stuff. It doesn’t fit you, and you should just be fun and actually acknowledge that you fit in well instead of constantly trying to be this self imposed outsider with this Rodney Dangerfield “I don’t get no respect!” shtick.

Gosts posted:

How are you guys liking elite: dangerous? I'd like to buy it but I have two concerns. One, I hear they're doing lots of expansions which will cost lots more money unless you backed it, or something. Two, I'm concerned to hear combat usually isn't as viable a way to make money as sitting in a space truck for twenty hours.



Ha. Isn't that a funny thought? With E:D's pledge model, you actually save money if you backed it beforehand. Ha. Ha.

Latin Pheonix posted:

I was looking at it mostly at a month-on-month comparison, taking into account that the bulk of the sales in November 2017 were from the anniversary sale. As you say, the sale isn't over yet, so I didn't think there was much point in going through the sale itself just yet.

I did phrase it badly at the top of my post, though; I meant to say end of today's sale figures (as I've been occasionally doing the last few days).

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/DerekRetarded/status/935944733184135168
https://twitter.com/DerekRetarded/status/935946227572723713

Kosumo posted:

At lest she died doing what she loved. Cleaning jizz out of the hot tub.

alf_pogs posted:

i'd love a WHERE ARE THEY NOW of some of the crazy star citizens

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

CIG will once again do what no other game developer has: Sell Richard Garriott's blood.

Abuminable posted:

Got it! The gist of what you wrote is totally right: despite them putting up everything they've got for sale, plus lawn darts, they can't overcome the loss of faith and interest this project has suffered since summer 2016 due to their own incompetence.

trucutru posted:

Like, in his mind, MoMA thinks he's able to write a reasoned rebuttal/opinion and that he hasn't done so after more than a year of posting because we are just assholes that wouldn't be able to handle it.

The Titanic posted:

It’s his “Eeyore Clause”.

Baxta posted:

It wont be the final straw. There is no final straw for these people. No matter what CIG do, they are balls deep and will never ever admit to having made a bad decision. The company could go bankrupt and CR could release a video of him waving from the caribbean while wearing a shirt that says "LOL SUCKERS" and these people will just handwave it away.

Abuminable posted:

Dammit... the alpha channel on is still busted. When I uploaded it, transparency was broken when the emote was enabled. I told lowtax I must have somehow uploaded it without transparency and he said he would fix it.