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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Excellent

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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
Sometimes when an article is linked the only good part is quoted in-line for you, but that who thing is great and definitely worth a read.
Thanks for that Humphreys.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

While not directly related, this is a really good read as well. A two-part article from a Navy engineer during the bad old times.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Periodic reminder that the world atmospheric endurance flight record is currently held by a Cessna 172, the econobox of planes.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

FrozenVent posted:

Cessna 172, the econobox of planes.

Also, the most likely plane for someone crazy enough to have access to.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Proclick

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Thanks for this.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Agreed

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


~Coxy posted:

Sometimes when an article is linked the only good part is quoted in-line for you, but that who thing is great and definitely worth a read.
Thanks for that Humphreys.

I thought I'd only quote something somewhat vague and nothing juicy so you get to experience it all.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
A lot of that article is, sadly, not too surprising compared to the E-2 (official motto: "the propeller system may not decide to kill you today"), but this bit was loving bonkers:

quote:

I was flying serial number 148148, the one unique C-2, it was the prototype and at that point 25 years old with nearly 50,000 hours on it. It was in a category beyond POS and started its life as an E-2. It was hacked and built into a C-2.

Despite the common design heritage, I can't even imagine how you would go about turning an E-2 into a C-2. I thought the MCU/ACIS was a hosed up kludge of an E-2, but that's a clean sheet design compared to that monstrosity.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe
I enjoyed his disdain for pointy airplanes lol

Tsuru
May 12, 2008
My favourite bit was the APU without any output plumbing :wtc:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Permanently installed ground air cart. :v:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


tactlessbastard posted:

I enjoyed his disdain for pointy airplanes lol

Finding out that they don't have meals provided was a surprise! Not a surprise is if you KNOW you aren't going to get fed - why not bring a bunch of food?

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Oh my god getting off a 757-300 takes so loving long

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

LostCosmonaut posted:

Oh my god getting off a 757-300 takes so loving long

You're not playing the right music.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

LostCosmonaut posted:

Oh my god getting off a 757-300 takes so loving long

Get a Learjet to stimulate its prostate.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

LostCosmonaut posted:

Oh my god getting off a 757-300 takes so loving long

Sure if you don't fly enough to get upgrades.

*is 90/100 on list for MSP-ATL*

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.
The B‐29 so thoroughly outclassed every other bomber in the war.

It’s almost silly.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

LostCosmonaut posted:

Oh my god getting off a 757-300 takes so loving long

It should tell you all you need to know that United has six rows of 2x2 First, and 41 rows of cattle class, while Delta has six rows of 2x2 First and 49 rows of cattle class in their 757-300s.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

BIG HEADLINE posted:

It should tell you all you need to know that United has six rows of 2x2 First, and 41 rows of cattle class, while Delta has six rows of 2x2 First and 49 rows of cattle class in their 757-300s.

Row number does not correlate with actual number of rows

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.
Now I want to know how the rows are numbered in Trump’s 757.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/nyregion/donald-trump-tower-heights.html

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Platystemon posted:

The B‐29 so thoroughly outclassed every other bomber in the war.

It’s almost silly.

it's like it was out of science fiction, no wonder the soviets were hard up to copy it

I was remember being surprised to learn its development cost more than the Manhattan project.

Nostalgia4Infinity fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Dec 4, 2017

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Platystemon posted:

Now I want to know how the rows are numbered in Trump’s 757.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/nyregion/donald-trump-tower-heights.html

"I always sit in Row #1. Everyone else sits in Row #2. Tiffany and Eric sit in the last row. Always."

R-Type
Oct 10, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

slidebite posted:

I thought this is kind of cool, Voyager 1 successfully fired up a set of thrusters that haven't been used since 1980.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7014&utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NASAJPL&utm_content=daily20171201-1

I think that's why they still use the bus-ring design for probes that goes back to the 60s - it's a tried and true system that's extremely over engineered and durable as gently caress.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

it's like it was out of science fiction, no wonder the soviets were hard up to copy it

Its Wikipedia page infobox notes that it was Developed into: Tupolev Tu-4 which I can’t disagree with but how often do they count reverse engineering?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
I know the idea of defensive armament on bombers was on its way out by the time the Soviets fielded the Tu-4, but to this day I don't know how Boeing didn't decide upgunning the B-29 with the tens of thousands of spare 20mm Hispano-Suizas laying around over .50 cals was worthy of consideration.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I know the idea of defensive armament on bombers was on its way out by the time the Soviets fielded the Tu-4, but to this day I don't know how Boeing didn't decide upgunning the B-29 with the tens of thousands of spare 20mm Hispano-Suizas laying around over .50 cals was worthy of consideration.

The .50s worked consistently and the Hispanos didn't, because we hosed up the metric > imperial conversions so the chambers were the wrong size and the firing pin wouldn't hit the cartridge hard enough.

See also: The .30-06 CSRG 1918 and the abortive attempt to make a .30-06 MG42 copy that failed because they made the guns too short to properly feed the different cartridge.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.
Make a Fire Hedgehog but with 20 mm cannons:

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:


I was remember being surprised to learn its development cost more than the Manhattan project.

:stare:

I never knew that.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
The B-29 wing is still flying today as part of the super guppy.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Platystemon posted:

Make a Fire Hedgehog but with 20 mm cannons:



Holy poo poo!

http://www.guns.com/2013/06/29/the-fire-hedgehog/

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I'm not sure why I've sat on this for the past day. On Saturday I went to see the Endeavor. They had a display where you could touch it's tires from the last mission it flew.

I never thought I'd ever get to touch something that went into outer space. And seeing the shuttle was awe inspiring.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Platystemon posted:

Its Wikipedia page infobox notes that it was Developed into: Tupolev Tu-4 which I can’t disagree with but how often do they count reverse engineering?

From what I recall the USSR completely disassembled the B29, measured everything and simply duplicated it down to the rivet. Reverse engineering is when you know the answer so you design a system with the same principles, even form/fit/function compatible but it's usually going to have differences just based on the parts and systems the RE team can source/understands.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Murgos posted:

From what I recall the USSR completely disassembled the B29, measured everything and simply duplicated it down to the rivet. Reverse engineering is when you know the answer so you design a system with the same principles, even form/fit/function compatible but it's usually going to have differences just based on the parts and systems the RE team can source/understands.

The latter is the proper definition of reverse engineering but the former is what most of the world thinks it means.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Murgos posted:

From what I recall the USSR completely disassembled the B29, measured everything and simply duplicated it down to the rivet. Reverse engineering is when you know the answer so you design a system with the same principles, even form/fit/function compatible but it's usually going to have differences just based on the parts and systems the RE team can source/understands.

Just gonna post this again

https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/made-in-the-ussr-38442437/

The first thing the Soviets had to do was get permission from Stalin to make it using metric

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
In fairness, speaking as an engineer, the temptation to scope-creep things would be heinous (and would have likely delayed rollout)

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Murgos posted:

From what I recall the USSR completely disassembled the B29, measured everything and simply duplicated it down to the rivet. Reverse engineering is when you know the answer so you design a system with the same principles, even form/fit/function compatible but it's usually going to have differences just based on the parts and systems the RE team can source/understands.

And then that gave birth to the Tu-95

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Did they manage to make copies of the engines or was performance reduced? I understand that aircraft engines were just as bleeding edge metallurgically etc. for the time back then as they are today.

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