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JazzmasterCurious posted:The stereo track on VHS in regular SP mode was all kinds of awesome. Much better than regular music cassettes, and not far from CD. So I get, sort of, why this uncle would do that. Unless the sources were cassettes, that is. For a time I know some home musicians who would mix down 4 track recordings to VHS. It was better than mixing town to cassette, especially if you wanted to make duplicates.
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Pope Guilty posted:I can't imagine this would work well- think about the last time you heard a radio broadcast without even the tiniest little bit of distortion or signal strength fluctuation. Yesterday.
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The Ape of Naples posted:For a time I know some home musicians who would mix down 4 track recordings to VHS. It was better than mixing town to cassette, especially if you wanted to make duplicates.
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Groke posted:No, but I have heard about local radio stations broadcasting computer programs. Like, record their stuff on a cassette and pop it in your C-64's tape drive and load it up. Don't know how well this is supposed to have worked. There was a TV show in the UK in the 80s that did this (Micro Live, I think?). During the credits at the end it played this godawful racket that you could record onto a cassette and play back in a compatible computer to load a program. I never tried it as there was no way to hook my parents' TV up to a cassette player, it only had built in speakers 
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Quote-Unquote posted:There was a TV show in the UK in the 80s that did this (Micro Live, I think?). During the credits at the end it played this godawful racket that you could record onto a cassette and play back in a compatible computer to load a program. Here's one such example of code being sent through the TV. They send it slow (30 characters per second!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvF2fW8KBcA&t=1331s (at 22:11) Sounds loving terrible, but the computer graphics make up for it. While we're on old BBC computer programs, this clip is definitely worth a watch. A chap demonstrates email only to find that his account has been hacked, live on television. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMuBH2aZbE&t=4188s (at 1h:09) He was wise enough to insist that the cameras don't film the keyboard while he types his password. Unfortunately he'd already accidentally spoken his password into a live microphone and another guest on the show had relayed this information to someone who could use it!
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Groke posted:Also the tape drive on the C64 operated at only 300 baud which made for pretty robust data transfer (there were software hacks that made alternate formats possible with much greater speed). The C64 tape drive was a digital format, though, with a parity bit and error correction; it wasn't just two-tone AFSK: http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue57/turbotape.html
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Recirculating Acoustic Memory?! I love this guy. He dances around gigantic calculators
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Techmoan dug up another obscure commercial music format: MIDI on floppy disks!  And a "boombox"-style player for them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ks3ucumilU
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Mr.Radar posted:Techmoan dug up another obscure commercial music format: MIDI on floppy disks! The 8 bit guy has a video about MIDI, but on Zip disk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkjN6A3DOk I'd die without both channels. This poo poo is awesome.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:The 8 bit guy has a video about MIDI, but on Zip disk. I'm pretty sure that one's just a PCM recorder that uses ZIP disks instead of a hard drive, CD-R, or flash, rater than MIDI. What really blows my mind about the video I posted is the commercially-released floppy disk complete with a jewel case and liner notes. I knew that MIDI gear of the era usually used floppies for storage but I never guessed that anyone would bother releasing actual licensed music in MIDI form on them.
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Horace posted:While we're on old BBC computer programs, this clip is definitely worth a watch. A chap demonstrates email only to find that his account has been hacked, live on television. It also sounds like his password was only two or three characters at most, based on the number of keyclicks audible when he warns them not to film the keyboard the second time...
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Groke posted:Also the tape drive on the C64 operated at only 300 baud which made for pretty robust data transfer (there were software hacks that made alternate formats possible with much greater speed). Not only was radio sometimes used to broadcast programs, occasionally they were distributed on vinyl: https://www.discogs.com/lists/Video-games-in-vinyl-grooves/253634 e: Metal Geir Skogul posted:The 8 bit guy has a video about MIDI, but on Zip disk. The most amazing part of this is how he couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. Grand Prize Winner has a new favorite as of 01:41 on Dec 2, 2017 |
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Known Lecher posted:It also sounds like his password was only two or three characters at most, based on the number of keyclicks audible when he warns them not to film the keyboard the second time... From the Tech Relics thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdbKz5CyhA "the computer is now asking me for my own personal password..." blatantly types 1234 "...which I've now done"
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Listening again I’m pretty sure I only hear two clicks, one of which was presumably the return/enter key. Hackers indeed.
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A one character password, occasionally spoken into a microphone.
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Dec 2, 2017 02:47
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My voice is my passport. Verify me.
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Vic posted:I love this guy. He dances around gigantic calculators Dude is a real life Doc Brown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3mVnRlQLU
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Wasabi the J posted:Dude is a real life Doc Brown I *KNEW* I recognized him. I kept thinking "He looks like that guy that built the mini Amazon warehouse in his crawlspace:" and lo and behold.
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Dec 2, 2017 02:58
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He looks like that guy that nailed the Hannover Hacker.
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Mr.Radar posted:Techmoan dug up another obscure commercial music format: MIDI on floppy disks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwqnR327fk
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Platystemon posted:He looks like that guy that nailed the Hannover Hacker. I fuckin love that episode.
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Grassy Knowles posted:I fuckin love that episode.
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Tysm friend
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Platystemon posted:He looks like that guy that nailed the Hannover Hacker. He is the guy that nailed the Hanover Hacker!
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DrankSinatra posted:He is the guy that nailed the Hanover Hacker! I went looking for info on that, and found one of his fellow hackers who was murdered in a particularly unpleasant manner: quote:Koch was found burned to death with gasoline in a forest near Celle, Germany. The death was officially claimed to be a suicide.[2][3] However, some[who?] believe there is little evidence supporting suicide and many believe that Koch was killed in order to keep him from confessing more to the authorities. Why Koch would be targeted, and not Pengo and Urmel, is unknown.
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Proteus Jones posted:My voice is my passport. Verify me. *seductively* "Pass-Port" GotLag posted:I went looking for info on that, and found one of his fellow hackers who was murdered in a particularly unpleasant manner: There was a pretty cool German movie called '23' loosely based on Karl. Nice little things like buying the wrong computer due to power requirements etc. Also the huge amount of Illuminati conspiracy zaniness. And there, look at your quote from wiki, the number is right there!  quote:[2][3] Humphreys has a new favorite as of 06:41 on Dec 2, 2017 |
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JazzmasterCurious posted:It worked well, mostly used in Europe (UK and Scandinavia especially) where the FM radio signal usually was clear and strong. Small countries, you know. Plus, what the above posts said - it was very simple encoding of the data, just like a modem. Remember those? Software was also broadcast using teletext and could be extracted from a TV broadcast using special hardware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telesoftware It was mostly used for small programming tutorials for the BBC Micro
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Wasabi the J posted:Dude is a real life Doc Brown He made a robot forklift for his secret klein bottle warehouse! What! I love him so much.
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Fran Blanche visited a photographer that demonstrated 19th century photographic techniques for her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhWHpcPFgSw
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I stumbled on articles about this TV design concept, an homage to old-school sets:  (No way that's ever getting mass-manufactured due to the rounded corners, but it's neat nonetheless.) Turns out it was inspired specifically by the Teleavia P111 set from 1958, designed by the same guy who designed the Citroen DS and I just love the way it looks:  Really wanna make a cabinet like that myself, although with modern displays' dimensions and corners... Eh, most likely not. Best part: it apparently supported up to 819 scan lines, making it technically HD.
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Curved screens like that are definitely doable. It would be expensive, but it’s for sure possible. Ultrawide monitors have similar curves and are an actual product.
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Maybe I should've phrased it differently: I can't imagine there are enough people who are willing to buy a TV with the corners are so significantly rounded to make it a mass-market product. I don't doubt it's technically possible to make, I just don't think enough people are willing to plunk down the money for aesthetics only.
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Wasabi the J posted:Dude is a real life Doc Brown Proteus Jones posted:I *KNEW* I recognized him. I kept thinking "He looks like that guy that built the mini Amazon warehouse in his crawlspace:" Platystemon posted:He looks like that guy that nailed the Hannover Hacker. He is. That's Clifford Stoll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Stoll Samizdata has a new favorite as of 02:10 on Dec 3, 2017 |
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Trabant posted:Turns out it was inspired specifically by the Teleavia P111 set from 1958, designed by the same guy who designed the Citroen DS and I just love the way it looks: Wheels! Now we can watch Jackie Gleason while we eat!
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Trabant posted:I stumbled on articles about this TV design concept, an homage to old-school sets: I kinda wonder if you could sell a TV like this to retro nerds if you promised RCA connections with as little lag as possible. I imagine CRT latency is nigh impossible, but as close as possible.
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Trabant posted:Best part: it apparently supported up to 819 scan lines, making it technically HD. ...and the French actually broadcast it for a while. I can't find any period stuff, but here's an 819 line signal generated by a computer:  this must have looked amazing, especially when compared with the 405 line standard the British chose to stick with:  europe.jpg 
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Nixie frequency counter spotted. ENHANCE  
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Samizdata posted:He is. That's Clifford Stoll. If you're thinking about not clicking that link, reconsider.
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It's a good book too
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I actually remember Silicon Snake Oil from my nascent online presence days. I should get that and read it alongside The Road Ahead this winter.
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