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Not gonna lie I hope a lot of the ship stuff is really optional, don't want to learn nautical stuff to progress the story. I'm buying an RPG not a Naval Warfare Simulator dammit
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Entropy238 posted:Can you give us any more info on what a ship duel might be like from a mechanical perspective? Compared to the stronghold system in Pillars 1, much more time and effort has gone into the ship, crew, and ship duel systems. Without going into too much before we can show everything in detail, I can say that you should not expect a real-time or RTwP system where you're moving around little ships on a stretch of ocean. A not-quite-accurate approximation would be something like a turn-based FTL. Of course, if you close to board, you will get the deck-to-deck combats that we've shown before in videos. Any damage you've done to the enemy ship's crew (or they to yours) gets carried over into the deck-to-deck fight.
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thought: Does anyone know a good web app for generating line graphs? I was trying to figure out how to compare the DPS-per-point of Per, Dex, and Might/Resolve/Str and I realized that it seems like it would break down into three graphs: 1) a nice linear percentage graph for Might/Res/Str where each point gives 3% more damage flat 2) some kind of (logarithmic?) curve for Dex as each successive point of Dex gave slightly less and less return on DPS as you approached the theoretical minimum possible action speed; 3) some sort of unpredictably weird curve for Per as you crossed the various break point thresholds (misses to grazes, grazes to hits, hits to crits, etc.), probably with strongly diminishing returns after you are reliably hitting with every attack. So is there any tool out there that I could plug the various equations into and get those graphs?
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I hope there are lots of dialogue options that let me get basic nautical terms wrong. "Captain, we need to steer hard to port!" "That's... uh... that's to the right??"
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Scoss posted:I simultaneously recognize that Battle Brothers has an economical and effective character art solution that makes complete sense for the size of their team and the needs of their game, while also feeling like the end result is ugly and viscerally offputting, like armies of funkopops and pez dispensers wobbling around in a field. This is how I feel about it. No matter how much praise it gets, I look at the screenshots and go "Nope, no way I am going to play that game long enough to justify a loving $30 game, because that is ugly as poo poo."
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frajaq posted:Not gonna lie I hope a lot of the ship stuff is really optional, don't want to learn nautical stuff to progress the story. If they don't simulate the weather-gage and tacking mechanics, my timbers will be shivered my timbers are pre-shivered Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Dec 4, 2017 17:27
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rope kid posted:We're probably going to do a large update on them in the near future. Sounds like it's gonna own thanks
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frajaq posted:Not gonna lie I hope a lot of the ship stuff is really optional, don't want to learn nautical stuff to progress the story.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:30
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Personally i hope i can take the opposing captains heads as trophies and collect them. Or hats are fine too.
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Dec 4, 2017 17:35
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rope kid posted:The easiest way to avoid ship duels is to fly false colors. If you do get into a duel, the quickest way to end it quickly is either to flee or to head toward the enemy ship as quickly as possible to board. Hieronymous Alloy posted:thought:
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ovenboy posted:
Thanks, should've realized google spreadsheets would have that function. I'll dive in there.
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TheAnomaly posted:you can shoot anything in the grey boxes. Dudes don't block fire directly, but if you shoot at someone with dudes or objects next to them and between the two of you, you get a massively reduced chance to hit and can hit one of those objects instead. They will be marked with a little red shield if you can hit them instead of your target. Wow, thanks for all that! I was trying to keep my shootbros a few hexes back and couldn't figure out how to shoot over or around without taking a few turns to flank. I can't decide if I like the B-Bros weeble-people better than the Dungeon Rats blocky dudes. The B-Bros are far prettier but I think even the little bit of animation helps get me pumped up for some kill-n-loot.
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rope kid posted:The easiest way to avoid ship duels is to fly false colors. If you do get into a duel, the quickest way to end it quickly is either to flee or to head toward the enemy ship as quickly as possible to board.  my very own false flag operation
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rope kid posted:The easiest way to avoid ship duels is to fly false colors. If you do get into a duel, the quickest way to end it quickly is either to flee or to head toward the enemy ship as quickly as possible to board. wait so there will always be a way to "brute force" to turn the ship duel into a straight tactical fight with my characters, I don't have to engage in cannon duels/ship maneuvers? I'm down with that
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Dec 4, 2017 18:40
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Playing as the scourge of the seas around the deadfire archipelago is legit one of the things that could get me to do a cruel/aggressive playthrough without feeling bad about it.
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Dec 4, 2017 18:46
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I hope you can see boats moving around the seas in the full game. The beta ocean feels so empty graphically, if I saw trader / enemy ships moving around that would be awesome
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I don't think there's a no clip cheat, is there? I've shelved my party of 5 Beckoning Wildrhymers for now because the issue of party members getting pushed into spots that normally aren't fully accessible and subsequently being unable to move out of them has come up a couple of times now. It's easy to deal with when it's one of the Wildrhymers (Bounding Boots and done) but when it's an animal companion that's a reload. And my fat stupid pig just keeps getting shoved halfway into cracks in the ground. Who knew that having an army of 26 summons, 5 animal companions and 5 Wildrhymers could possibly be a bad thing? I got far enough - first floor of the ruins mostly cleared - that playing this gimmick party using a broken subclass any further won't really bring anything new, though. Some observations from that playthrough: Both animal companions and summons suffer from the same lack of information that they did in PoE1. Is there any way to make ACs faux party members with their own screens and all? There's already a way to toggle between the Ranger and AC animations in the inventory screen. At some point I really want to see how much damage those guys are doing. Also, an easy way to just bring up all their stats at a glance would be helpful. One issue with summons is that I kinda know what I get but not entirely. Having a little stat block listing basic stuff like defenses, DR, weapon with penetration etc. integrated into the invocation description, possibly as its own tooltip that can be brought up by clicking at the summon name, would be nice. The much bigger issue is that once the summons are there I need to count the seconds they stay for myself. There really should be some kind of Summoned status showing up in their in-combat tooltip showing how much time I've got left. (Right now I just check my Wildrhymers and re-summon just in case once I see that they've got two phrases to burn, which actually mostly works out for Beckoners.) The summons available in the beta's level range have some problems with high DR. If adding additional summoning invocations is on the table, that seems like a potential niche. Of course, there's also just Hel-Hyraf. Which, in retrospect, I definitely should have taken on one of my guys even though it's unreliable on PotD. But, by taking Hel-Hyraf, I would have given up on either summon or phrase variety. I keep repeating myself saying that the current way and rate of getting (active) abilities leads to characters with way too few options in combat, but, well, it keeps coming up. The enemy AI can actually deal with facing an army of 36 and still prioritizes targets fairly well. What it can't deal with is 12 skeletons that can engage and get Disengagement Attacks when enemies try to run past them. Disengagement attacks don't feel powerful individually but when it's a horde of summons getting them it adds up and the AI's way of deciding whether or not to take Disengagement Attacks seems fairly simple and unable to factor in other enemies (that are capable of Engagement) close enough to intercept them on their way to whoever they're trying to get to. At least that's what it looked like when I drowned the world in skeletons, which admittedly is a pretty extreme thing to subject the AI to. The Stag seems weaker than the other ACs right now. Might be a PotD thing since it needs to crit, but even factoring that in I don't think it's as good as the other ones. The Heal Companion ability takes too long to cast and then again too long to fully take effect. And then it's not even doing that much. Conceptually, considering that the power source of the Ranger is the Bond between them and the AC, I kinda feel like it should be usable by both the Ranger and the AC and should heal both. At least that would make it easier to use, especially for Rangers with slower weapons. Random bug: When I leveled up to 7, all my party members' secondary hair color turned to white. This was reproducible for this save. The white in question may have been my main character's original secondary hair color getting passed on to every other party member or it might have just been 255-in-all-channels white, I can't tell:  Entropy238 posted:Playing as the scourge of the seas around the deadfire archipelago is legit one of the things that could get me to do a cruel/aggressive playthrough without feeling bad about it. Is making prisoners walk the plank considered Cruel?
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Wizard Styles posted:Is making prisoners walk the plank considered Cruel? no let that be the rational choice. scaphism is the cruel one.
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Iretep posted:Personally i hope i can take the opposing captains heads as trophies and collect them. Or hats are fine too. frajaq posted:wait so there will always be a way to "brute force" to turn the ship duel into a straight tactical fight with my characters, I don't have to engage in cannon duels/ship maneuvers? I'm down with that Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:I hope you can see boats moving around the seas in the full game. The beta ocean feels so empty graphically, if I saw trader / enemy ships moving around that would be awesome Wizard Styles posted:The enemy AI can actually deal with facing an army of 36 and still prioritizes targets fairly well. What it can't deal with is 12 skeletons that can engage and get Disengagement Attacks when enemies try to run past them. Disengagement attacks don't feel powerful individually but when it's a horde of summons getting them it adds up and the AI's way of deciding whether or not to take Disengagement Attacks seems fairly simple and unable to factor in other enemies (that are capable of Engagement) close enough to intercept them on their way to whoever they're trying to get to. At least that's what it looked like when I drowned the world in skeletons, which admittedly is a pretty extreme thing to subject the AI to.
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rope kid posted:
I understand why you changed it, but I really liked the little "miniatures on a base" version of the ship in the map screen that we saw in the trailer prior to the backer beta. The new version in the beta without the base, ok, less gamey, more realistic, stronger immersion, but somehow less charming.
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rope kid posted:Skeleton summons were very OP in the backer beta release. They will be tuned down significantly in the next patch. e: Although the Wurms aren't any less crazy than the skeletons imo.
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rope kid posted:They do.
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Wizard Styles posted:Oh, I know. You put me up to this bullshit in the first place by posting about OP Beckoners and their insane skeleton armies. I've never been the biggest Chanter fan but they sure are goofy right now. Beckoners spend the majority of battles standing in the back doing their 9 second cast times and not being particularly interactive. Skalds are more suited to the frontlines and can get their Invocations off faster, but the removal of general talents and the subclass' focus on weapon crits makes them Rogue-ish in squishiness now. Troubadours are focused on their songs, but there's a marked reduction in the number of phrases available to pick in Deadfire, plus you've only really using one phrase at at time. I feel like integrating Sirin's dual vocalization ability into this subclass somehow would feel better. Overall they're a lot more reliable as casters since they start off combat with some phrases already, and each phrase is down to 3 seconds, but there's no actual customization I can do to up their martial abilities other than to multi-class.
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There's no background for the Ixamitl Plains that gives extra Alchemy how am I supposed to make an immersive drug monk like that WHAT KIND OF loving SHITSHOW IS THIS!?  Scorchy posted:Skalds are more suited to the frontlines and can get their Invocations off faster, but the removal of general talents and the subclass' focus on weapon crits makes them Rogue-ish in squishiness now. I mean, I'm still not sure where I stand when it comes to the long casting times of spells in general and they can be very strong, but sometimes things shift so quickly retargeting isn't useful or you just get hit with a paralyze and lose the spell. Skalds don't have that issue. Their main problem in the beta is anything that can't be paralyzed or has high Will, so they're not perfect and quite possibly not even better at CC than a Wizard in general (although I think they do have an edge right now), but at least they feel good. I haven't played a Troubadour at all but Dual Vocalization in general would be cool. Right now Chanters feel very focused on their Invocations, and like you say you're only really using one Phrase. I don't think I had a Chanter learn more than two Phrases so far. e: Also, am I not seeing something or is an Illusionist incapable of giving itself Concentration? Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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frajaq posted:Not gonna lie I hope a lot of the ship stuff is really optional, don't want to learn nautical stuff to progress the story. I'm going to counter-signal you hard on this, because getting my PCs off Faerun and onto Spelljamming ships was some of the most fun my gaming group ever had, including both naval combat and boarding.
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All you need to do is remember the difference between the fore topmast staysail, fore staysail, foresail, fore topsail, fore topgallant, mainstaysail, main topmast staysail, middle staysail, main topgallant staysail, mainsail, maintopsail, main topgallant, mizzen staysail, mizzen topmast staysail, mizzen topgallant staysail, mizzen sail, mizzen topsail and mizzen topgallant.
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If a drunk kidnapped off the street could do it, how hard can it really be? Pirate Edit: Ropekid, is it too late for a press gang mechanic?
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Pwnstar posted:All you need to do is remember the difference between the fore topmast staysail, fore staysail, foresail, fore topsail, fore topgallant, mainstaysail, main topmast staysail, middle staysail, main topgallant staysail, mainsail, maintopsail, main topgallant, mizzen staysail, mizzen topmast staysail, mizzen topgallant staysail, mizzen sail, mizzen topsail and mizzen topgallant. It's a drat kraken! To hell with the stay sails, hoist the loving GO sails!
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[Cruel 2] BOAT DREGS, COMMENCE PROPULSION. MECHANIC SUITABLY.
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Pwnstar posted:All you need to do is remember the difference between the fore topmast staysail, fore staysail, foresail, fore topsail, fore topgallant, mainstaysail, main topmast staysail, middle staysail, main topgallant staysail, mainsail, maintopsail, main topgallant, mizzen staysail, mizzen topmast staysail, mizzen topgallant staysail, mizzen sail, mizzen topsail and mizzen topgallant. To be fair, the vast majority of that is...close to the same thing. First word mast, second word sail. Just a big loving list of the various bits of cloth that let your ship move. Also, there should be a check for someone who already claimed to be a pirate to get smug as gently caress on someone expecting them to be clueless.
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If you can't pass a check for nautical experience then your crew is constantly scrambling around to stop you from hurting yourself and pretending to listen to all your idiotic orders while actually doing things properly.
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Getting into a fight with your first mate over port or larboard being the preferred nomenclature on your ship.
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Installing more and more cannons without reinforcing the hull or support beams first and bringing your carpenter to tears after every engagement.
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Pillars 2 sounds like fun, with elements of Pirates? I loved that game. After playing the hell out of Baldurs Gate for the last year or so I'm just doing Pillars 1 for the first time, starting out as a Paladin. It seems like pretty awesome fun so far.
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https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/937832452646506496 Missing does suck, hitting is awesome, you're awesome Is grazing with an affliction going to downgrade it a "rank" or will it stay full force but half duration?
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Glad to hear about the graze comeback. Even a 2 damage hit is better than a whiff, especially on spells that you have limited casts of. Running a DnD campaign, the most frustrating thing for a DM is players' frustration at missing all the goddamn time. In combat in DnD you roll a d20+modifier for a chance to hit. if that dice roll meets or exceeds the armor class of the target the attack succeeds. The issue is that a lot of low-level enemies in DnD have high armor class. A standard goblin has 15AC. A level 1 character would reasonably have roughly a +4 modifier. meaning they need to roll at least an 11 to hit. Meaning they start the game with a 45% chance to hit, assuming they're proficient in the attack they're using. I can't imagine how many otherwise happy and willing players got frustrated at missing all the goddamn time and got turned off the idea of DnD combat altogether. I loving hate missing. jokes fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Let the record show that ropekid continues his unjustifiable assault on my dex/per/res rogue, because not only is resolve as useless rear end ever for rogues and dex is vastly inferior to 
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So will Pillars of Eternity 2 have any particularly long-lasting pillars in it?
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MikeJF posted:So will Pillars of Eternity 2 have any particularly long-lasting pillars in it? Well there's the pillar of fan devotion to Obsidian, for one. F:NV and PoE1 bought forever good will as far as I'm concerned.
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MikeJF posted:So will Pillars of Eternity 2 have any particularly long-lasting pillars in it? Hiravias isn't in the party anymore bro
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