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It's impossible but I would like to see some of these Ohtani presentations.
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TV Zombie posted:It's impossible but I would like to see some of these Ohtani presentations. Same. I hope that someday he writes a memoir that details his decision-making process for this whole thing.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:02
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I hope he reveals that he always knew where he was going to sign but felt like loving with the owners as revenge for how lovely the posting system is
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Dec 7, 2017 19:04
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Intruder posted:I hope he reveals that he always knew where he was going to sign but felt like loving with the owners as revenge for how lovely the posting system is The best outcome would be if he went back to Japan until he was a true FA. Just throwing up the double deuce as he gets on the plane home.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:04
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Inspector_666 posted:The best outcome would be if he went back to Japan until he was a true FA. Just throwing up the double deuce as he gets on the plane home. Yesssssss
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Dec 7, 2017 19:07
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Dexo posted:How in the world did Boston get eliminated so quickly then?
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Dec 7, 2017 19:10
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Dec 7, 2017 19:29
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Cubs signed Chatwood for around $40m over 3 years. idk anything about Tyler Chatwood but that seems like a pretty cheap pick up with some high upside.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:32
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Popete posted:idk anything about Tyler Chatwood but that seems like a pretty cheap pick up with some high upside. Really? to me it seems like a lot. 4.69 ERA last year (granted, Coors), close to 5 BB/9.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:33
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Cubs signed Chatwood for around $40m over 3 years.  Theojed, whatcha doooooiiiiiin'?
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Dec 7, 2017 19:33
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Really? to me it seems like a lot. 4.69 ERA last year (granted, Coors), close to 5 BB/9.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:37
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Really? to me it seems like a lot. 4.69 ERA last year (granted, Coors), close to 5 BB/9. Road ERA was 3.49, although his road FIP/xFIP were...not good. Doesn't seem like a terrible contract, though, pitchers are expensive these days.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:37
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That's probably a pretty good sign the Cubs aren't getting Ohtani right? I didn't expect they actually would to begin with as it seems he's pretty dead set on a west coast team.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:41
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Popete posted:That's probably a pretty good sign the Cubs aren't getting Ohtani right? I didn't expect they actually would to begin with as it seems he's pretty dead set on a west coast team. I dunno, I think whatever team signs Ohtani should at least try to go with a 6-man rotation, especially if it's an NL team who might have to let him play OF to get him his ABs.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:42
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I am terrible at contracts but just looking at his numbers...it is fine as a #5 pitcher. Eno Sarris is apparently a big fan of him so that is nice.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:43
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ChiTownEddie posted:I am terrible at contracts but just looking at his numbers...it is fine as a #5 pitcher. Eno Sarris is apparently a big fan of him so that is nice. It wasn't so much the AAV but the years that gave me pause, I thought he would only get 2 years.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:46
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:It wasn't so much the AAV but the years that gave me pause, I thought he would only get 2 years. Ahhhh that makes sense. Also probably why the Cubs got him then heh.
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Dec 7, 2017 19:49
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It's certainly not a bad signing, and he's a better 5 than anybody we already had. Also this gives me some hope: https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/938843019863842818
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Dec 7, 2017 19:55
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However you feel about FIP or whatever but Chatwood's FIP has been below 4 the same number of times it's been above 5 and below 4.5 fewer times than above
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Dec 7, 2017 19:56
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Chatwood was always infuriating when he came to AT&T so I'm glad he's
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Dec 7, 2017 19:57
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:Really? to me it seems like a lot. 4.69 ERA last year (granted, Coors), close to 5 BB/9. Nice. Also just because pitchers are expensive doesn't mean you should sign bad ones to expensive deals.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:04
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GregJohnsMLB/status/938597448959668224
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Paul Zuvella posted:Nice. 3/40 seems reasonable for a guy with a career 4.58 FIP, 1.48 WHIP, 4.2 BB/9 and 6.1 K/9
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Dec 7, 2017 20:08
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He's replacing Lackey as a 5th starter so it doesn't seem that bad. He's young and has a high GB rate which should help him considering the Cubs infield. Not sure adding another guy who walks everyone to the staff helps but they must have seen something.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:08
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I'm fine with it, I'm more interested in how the rest of our pitchers respond to Jim Hickey instead of Chris Bosio What's the generally accepted estimation for a point of WAR up to these days? Probably $8.5M?
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Dec 7, 2017 20:09
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I still can't get over the union agreeing to that bullshit. Yet another case of the owners wanting the players to save them from themselves, except in this case the union said "sure, fine, gently caress it, we'll agree to what amounts to a salary cap." Niwrad posted:He's replacing Lackey as a 5th starter so it doesn't seem that bad. He's young and has a high GB rate which should help him considering the Cubs infield. Not sure adding another guy who walks everyone to the staff helps but they must have seen something. This is what's weird about the signing, considering Epstein said the Cubs' walk rate this past season was a primary reason for Bosio getting canned.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:10
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I admit I'm not extensively familiar with Chatwood, but just glancing at his fangraphs page it looks like his past issues are tied to giving up WAY too many HR's at Coors, even for a guy pitching at Coors (28.6% HR/FB rate at home this year ) he walks way too many guys (back to back years of 4+ BB/9) and he can't loving stay healthy. He also appears to be a prime "FIP is irrelevant" candidate similar to Hendricks since he gets outs via the ground ball vs striking out a ton of dudes, and FIP hates you if you're not getting K's at a decent clip. Also for what it's worth Fangraphs had him as their 17th best FA this offseason and Chatwood is considered a fairly high upside guy if he can stay healthy.
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Dec 7, 2017 20:11
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The union doesn't give a gently caress about international players until they're actually on a 25 man roster though
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Intruder posted:The union doesn't give a gently caress about international players until they're actually on a 25 man roster though Sure, but they're too short-sighted to see that the international spending caps are a precursor to an actual salary cap, and union leadership has been so loving worthless ever since Weiner took over from Fehr that I'd guarantee you a lot of players don't understand the importance of that issue. They don't have a Marvin Miller or Dick Moss meeting with every team during spring training to talk about the labor issues and how openly ownership wants to gently caress them, they have Tony Clark talking about the spirit of cooperation and other mealy-mouthed bullshit. The league will go for a salary cap or the end of guaranteed contracts when the next CBA is up for discussion, since Manfred has already started talking about cost certainty bullshit, and Clark has proven himself to not be the type of negotiator who would draw a line in the sand over those issues.
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Intruder posted:The union doesn't give a gently caress about international players until they're actually on a 25 man roster though The number of players the union actually cares about is probably less than 25 across all of baseball
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Timby posted:The league will go for a salary cap or the end of guaranteed contracts when the next CBA is up for discussion, since Manfred has already started talking about cost certainty bullshit, and Clark has proven himself to not be the type of negotiator who would draw a line in the sand over those issues. The players will never ever agree to either a salary cap or non guaranteed contracts
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Dec 7, 2017 20:23
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They figured it out. https://twitter.com/BretSayreBP/status/938840754474160133
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This tells me the race is down to Texas, LAA, and Seattle. I'm sure the other teams have a shot since it's not purely about money for Ohtani, but the idea of him only taking 300,000 a year is crazy to me.
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Intruder posted:The players will never ever agree to either a salary cap or non guaranteed contracts The MLBPA already didn't give much of a poo poo about the Angels' fuckery in their attempts to get out of the Josh Hamilton deal and they had no issue with Selig pissing on the CBA and JDA when A-Rod got suspended. They've established precedent under current and former leadership that guaranteed contracts, at the very least, are a negotiable item. And, again, the MLBPA sucks at playing the long game. They gave up a ton of poo poo in the last labor deal in exchange for a few extra off days and a token increase in the league minimum.
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That's just the signing bonus I think. He's going to be on the typical arbitration track as everyone else, vs if he came over a year from now he'd be able to sign as a FA and make a shitload more money. Is that right?
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Intruder posted:if he came over a year from now he'd be able to sign as a FA and make a shitload more money. Is that right? Yes. Ohtani is leaving a significant amount of money on the table by wanting to sign now.
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Intruder posted:That's just the signing bonus I think. He's going to be on the typical arbitration track as everyone else, vs if he came over a year from now he'd be able to sign as a FA and make a shitload more money. Is that right? So the Int'l money is just the bonus and he's free to negotiate a deal like 3 yr/12M?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So the Int'l money is just the bonus and he's free to negotiate a deal like 3 yr/12M? Only after the end of his original service time requirements (because the MLBPA loving sucks). Ohtani literally has to sign a minor-league deal, same as any amateur who's drafted, but the actual spend is capped. Edit: There were aspects of the new CBA that were literally written because MLB didn't want a bidding frenzy going on for Ohtani. The union bought that bullshit because "that money will just go to players already here in the country.  "
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El Gallinero Gros posted:This tells me the race is down to Texas, LAA, and Seattle. I'm sure the other teams have a shot since it's not purely about money for Ohtani, but the idea of him only taking 300,000 a year is crazy to me. The Yankees should trade the Padres some IFA money for Luis Torrens.
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