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I like Abby, she's the first steps into second-wave feminism and that's something pretty cool to explore.
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Professor Shark posted:I find Abby to be really annoying jfood posted:I like Abby, she's the first steps into second-wave feminism and that's something pretty cool to explore. I like her but its hard to explain why. At her worst she comes off as a generic caricature, smug in all the wrong ways, but I think that's a fault in the writing. Fair example - I need to rewatch it, but the sequence where she's at the party with Vincent seemed pretty unnecessary; we already knew that she didn't get along with her parents and that she came from money, so it a) didn't add anything to the character, and b) set up a working-class v. upper-class fish-out-of-water sequence that didn't have anything new to say. The show doesn't do a lot that I expect but I expected that, so it was kind of a disappointment. (But like I said, this was a knee-jerk opinion based on one viewing. Really I'm trying to defend why I found that whole thing boring.) On the other hand, I do find her relatable; I knew a lot of women like her back in college, which I think is why she came off as anachronistic in an earlier post (or maybe she's how I remember them being? Memory's loving weird) and I still think she's the vehicle for the modern-day college-educated audience. Either way, I like her story, especially how the bit with Ashley/Dorothy ended without any drama between them (or them and CC), and I like that she's faced with the reality between the way she thinks things should be and the way they really are. I see why they made her a character even if the writing doesn't take her much past what she is.
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3Romeo posted:I like her but its hard to explain why. I think that sequence was to show that Abby's parents or at least her dad were pretty decent folks and not say like Eileen/Candy's parents. The Dad's interaction with Vince and the understanding he showed towards Abby's acting out by bringing Vince and having him come in a leather jacket to an upper crust party really illustrated the Dad to be a cool dude.
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Yeah, the Ashley thing got me - I expected silly drama with frankie/cc/her and david simon delivered the opposite.
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Victorkm posted:I think that sequence was to show that Abby's parents or at least her dad were pretty decent folks and not say like Eileen/Candy's parents. The Dad's interaction with Vince and the understanding he showed towards Abby's acting out by bringing Vince and having him come in a leather jacket to an upper crust party really illustrated the Dad to be a cool dude. That's true, but I still think it felt unnecessary; her dad isn't a character beyond that scene, so it didn't serve a purpose to the greater story. It's the same thing with Candy's brother. That was a painful sequence and incredibly acted (and made me wince remembering all the times I'd been homophobic when I was growing up), but it just...didn't do anything. It was there and it was good, but if you're telling a story and you can cut something and it doesn't hurt the story, it isn't necessary. Which sort of brings me to a final point - I feel like the show is a mix between The Wire (that is, a sprawling story with a seasonal through-line) and Treme/Generation Kill (historical slice-of-life). There's enough story in The Deuce to keep it moving, but it isn't afraid to pivot to scenes that don't serve any sort of narrative purpose; they're there just to illustrate the way things were at the time. If that's the case then scenes like the party are fine. Just, I didn't care about them. Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah, the Ashley thing got me - I expected silly drama with frankie/cc/her and david simon delivered the opposite. That whole final episode it was like I forgot what I was watching, because I expected nothing but silly drama. Vincent telling Rudy, "With respect, but gently caress you?" Thought for sure that was Vincent's death-knell, and all Rudy did was laugh and say he'd come around. CC and Ashley, Reggie and Abby, Frankie and the coins - I all expected it to end up, like, Law and Order or some poo poo. Instead things just happened. They got better for some people and worse for others.
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3Romeo posted:It's the same thing with Candy's brother. That was a painful sequence and incredibly acted (and made me wince remembering all the times I'd been homophobic when I was growing up), but it just...didn't do anything. It was there and it was good, but if you're telling a story and you can cut something and it doesn't hurt the story, it isn't necessary The scene was the answer to the question everyone has been asking all season: It's why Eileen became Candy. Her hatred of what her father did to her brother drove her from her home/family.
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I think you're all just describing character flaws, which aren't really an issue with the writing. She's spiteful and kind of malicious and I think that's coming in part from the fact she's just drifting in a malaise. I think we can all recall a time like that in our lives and eventhough our parents might have been pretty cool people, like Abby's dad, we rebel against them in petty ways.3Romeo posted:That whole final episode it was like I forgot what I was watching, because I expected nothing but silly drama. Vincent telling Rudy, "With respect, but gently caress you?" Thought for sure that was Vincent's death-knell, and all Rudy did was laugh and say he'd come around. CC and Ashley, Reggie and Abby, Frankie and the coins - I all expected it to end up, like, Law and Order or some poo poo. Instead things just happened. They got better for some people and worse for others. Someone brought this up earlier, but the mafia was in a transitional period at the time, leveraging connections in attempt to take their business legit. Rudy doesn't flinch because he's really left the street behind him and has for years probably, plus it's raining dollars everyday. It's a good character moment, rounding him out. upgunned shitpost fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Klungar posted:The scene was the answer to the question everyone has been asking all season: It's why Eileen became Candy. Her hatred of what her father did to her brother drove her from her home/family. "Daddy issues?" "Not in the way you're thinking."
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Klungar posted:The scene was the answer to the question everyone has been asking all season: It's why Eileen became Candy. Her hatred of what her father did to her brother drove her from her home/family. I didn't care enough to ask that question, lovely as that sounds. Not that I didn't care about the character, but it was like McNulty and his kids: they were a part of his character but didn't add much to the story. That said, Aurubin posted:"Daddy issues?" "Not in the way you're thinking." This just brought all it together. Great catch. jfood posted:I think you're all just describing character flaws, which aren't really an issue with the writing. She's spiteful and kind of malicious and I think that's coming in part from the fact she's just drifting in a malaise. I think we can all recall a time like that in our lives and even though our parents might have been pretty cool people, like Abby's dad, we rebel against them in petty ways. I think we're thinking the same way here, to a point: you're right, Abby is all those things, and I think there were scenes that did a great job illustrating them (scenes that added momentum to the story), but I don't think the party was one of them, which is why I call it an issue with the writing. But it's really just that one sequence, which really isn't all that bad. This is me picking nits on a unicorn.
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Abby comes across as somewhat anachronistic and somewhat hard to like to some people because she's our link to the world the show's trying to portray - the stand-in, like someone said. You've got a whole spectrum of moral and amoral characters in the show, with people like C.C. being the bad guys and people like Vincent being the good guys. But that's all relative. You've even got a clear hierarchy of pimps in that sense, from Gentle Richie to C.C. and Reggie Love. But even Gentle Richie's still a pimp in the end. The danger in shows like this is that people go along with the morality of its universe - and while that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's important to have characters like Abby to put things into perspective from time to time. Like her response in the last episode to Vince's talking about Ruby. Ultimately, it's a pretty thankless role to play, because a lot of people are invested in the characters she's gonna be pushing against. Compare it to Skylar in Breaking Bad.
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It doesn't help how disconnected Abbey was from the rest of the story for half of the season. And then when she does link up with it, it's not particularly eventful and it's hard to parse why she is more relevant than any of the side characters. It's like if they had devoted 20% of the screen time to the gay bartender for 5 episodes just to reveal that he would eventually meet James Franco and...bartend for him. Although maybe it's not a good comparison because he is a more interesting character than Abbey. I don't even dislike her at all. I just don't know where she fits in as a main character. She's super hot I guess.
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She's the main character's love interest. She's smart, from a well off family, and college educated because that point of view is out of place in The Deuce. She's a fish out of water, providing an informed and isolated(naieve) viewpoint against the pragmatic world in which she now exists.
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David Simon linked this article on twitter: http://therumpus.net/2017/10/the-peep-kings-legacy-a-family-portrait/ It's a pretty good view on where even the successful people will end up, i.e. hosed up and soulless, as seen from one of their actual grandchildren.
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fez_machine posted:David Simon linked this article on twitter: http://therumpus.net/2017/10/the-peep-kings-legacy-a-family-portrait/ The Deuce: Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish
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fez_machine posted:David Simon linked this article on twitter: http://therumpus.net/2017/10/the-peep-kings-legacy-a-family-portrait/ Amazing read, also have to admit I love Simon tweeting it.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Sad we’ll never see Method Man in that wig again Why wouldn't be? Reggie Love (Tariq Trotter) was the one who got gunned down, not Rodney (Method Man). Or maybe you're saying that because of the reported time skip between seasons?
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timp posted:Why wouldn't be? Reggie Love (Tariq Trotter) was the one who got gunned down, not Rodney (Method Man). The time skip. I don't know if we're even gonna be following the same characters at all.
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3Romeo posted:At her worst she comes off as a generic caricature, smug in all the wrong ways, but I think that's a fault in the writing. Fair example - I need to rewatch it, but the sequence where she's at the party with Vincent seemed pretty unnecessary; we already knew that she didn't get along with her parents and that she came from money, so it a) didn't add anything to the character, and b) set up a working-class v. upper-class fish-out-of-water sequence that didn't have anything new to say. The show doesn't do a lot that I expect but I expected that, so it was kind of a disappointment. (But like I said, this was a knee-jerk opinion based on one viewing. Really I'm trying to defend why I found that whole thing boring.) I think that scene wasn't about her background but about her using Vincent to gently caress with her parents and his reaction to being used like this. Also shows how she still cares about her parents. Also goddamn that article. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Nov 4, 2017 |
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+1 recommending that article...quote:I’m loving boring and it’s the achievement of a lifetime. That's some loving quote.
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Just chiming in to say that I really did not think I'd like The Deuce based on the trailers, but decided to watch anyway. What a good decision, the show is amazing and just got better and better every episode. In retrospect, I should have expected this; The Wire is my fav show ever 
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In absence of the Deuce I've decided to finally knock Generation Kill and Treme off the bucket list. About half way through GK and holy poo poo this show is amazing. I can't believe I've been like "meh I'll watch this later" for close to a decade. It's like a totally jaded version of Band of Brothers with matching production values. I was expecting something much more small scale.
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Generation Kill is really good. "Wait, they were calling me that?!" is a great moment. I need to finish Treme, I dropped out halfway through the second season
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I really like most of Treme, but the final half-season was a little bit of a drag. I think they ran out of ideas for some of the characters, and there was also more focus on some of the crappier characters in the show. Finally finished The Deuce and overall I liked it. As usual for Simon, I think it took a few episodes to really get going. I'm not entirely sure how many seasons they can get out of this setting though. I have a hard time seeing it go past three.
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Professor Shark posted:Generation Kill is really good. Can't find time for rewatch atm, what's this in reference to? Also, we all think Rudy's hot.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Can't find time for rewatch atm, what's this in reference to? Also, we all think Rudy's hot. Some soldiers call the psycho guy Baby Killer and the Rolling Stone journalist asks if he minds that they call him that and he's confused and didn't know they were calling him Baby Killer. It was just so bizarre that it was funny
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Professor Shark posted:Some soldiers call the psycho guy Baby Killer and the Rolling Stone journalist asks if he minds that they call him that and he's confused and didn't know they were calling him Baby Killer. For some reason that made me think of "Burger King" being used as a name, and Google helped me find the reason.
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Re Generation kill... Ziggy's speech about how he was recruited is the funniest poo poo.
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deoju posted:Re Generation kill... Yeah that was hilarious. I'm also not proud of myself but I was dying during the Soldier/Transaltor/Iraqi civiliallian voice over part.
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veni veni veni posted:Yeah that was hilarious. I think the more earnest and realistic a war movie/show is, the more of a black comedy it is. It certainly sounds like a black comedy when you talk to people who have been through one.
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I could not manage even one iota of empathy for any of the pimps. Watching their scenes was pretty hard because they are such evil scumbags. There's something about what they do, maybe just the constant unbridled cruelty and dehumanizing of the girls. I found the murderous drug dealers of the Wire far more compelling and relatable.
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