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Fire in the apartment next door, guys, big hole in the ceiling, had a day. My vote stands, I'm happy with it.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 01:47 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 18:38 |
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I'm fine and no meaningful damage to personal property, so it all shook out alright.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 01:55 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:Hi hello It's been bothering me more and more since my work hours have gotten increasingly more unusual and, I think, there has been a significant movement toward POST POST POST as a game play methodology, which is a bit off puting since it ends up with people with availability different than the norm end up getting accused of lurking. I've certainly gone through this before and if you'd like me to link you to a game I'd be happy to do it.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 01:58 |
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GeneX posted:Yeah, it’s an eclectic bunch. I mean, Quid was pretty much a throw away suggestion and I do have a strong bad feeling against Mona, so of course my cases are going to be focused on them (Hal while I get your point, and it's taken, I do think a game of 9 is significantly different than a game of 15, so I'm less inclined to give anybody a ride.) YPM reads better now, Hal reads fine. Asiina is fine too. Point on Flerp stands. Can I ask why you wouldn't vote bowmore? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:02 |
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Anybody got any questions for me because I'm bearing "break out the scotch" o clock. I don't really like scotch but beggars can't be choosers and that's what was in my flask.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:12 |
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CCKeane posted:I mean, Quid was pretty much a throw away suggestion and I do have a strong bad feeling against Mona, so of course my cases are going to be focused on them (Hal while I get your point, and it's taken, I do think a game of 9 is significantly different than a game of 15, so I'm less inclined to give anybody a ride.) Leaving my vote on a dude that is questionably even reading the thread doesn’t do much; I want him gone as a “gently caress lurkers(as in, actual lurkers, not people just busy irl)” policy thing, but if I’m voting for him I lose the ability to add that weight to my words and requests for clarification.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:15 |
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GeneX posted:Leaving my vote on a dude that is questionably even reading the thread doesn’t do much; I want him gone as a “gently caress lurkers(as in, actual lurkers, not people just busy irl)” policy thing, but if I’m voting for him I lose the ability to add that weight to my words and requests for clarification. Yeah that's a good take, that reads as legit.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:26 |
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Hal's taking too long. I'm a little confused why he's feeling off about Keane for being suspicious of Mona and then praises Asiina for making basically the same case in his "reread." Feels like a faking mistake. I still am skeeved out by YPM but I'm gonna assume everyone else is seeing things I'm not and trust the town here. Keane is definitely town. I like Gene for town too. Mona I liked for town but they have basically vanished after Keane dropped his gotcha so that is probably pretty telling. Everyone else I'm a lil shrug about. Maybe flerp is bad. Would vote Mona, Hal, in that order.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:29 |
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Why do you like Gene for town? I can accept not concluding he’s scum but why town? I would want either Gene or Mona. Gene preferred.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 02:37 |
Quidthulhu posted:Mona I liked for town but they have basically vanished after Keane dropped his gotcha so that is probably pretty telling. To -attempt- to defend myself here, I realized very quickly that if I tried to talk myself through that situation at the time, I almost definitely would have been hammered on as I realized how little sense I was making with all the accusations being thrown around (including the ones on me, which I honestly can't defend because I was acting pretty stupid) I spent yesterday mostly looking at the other people discussing the thread to see if there was anything I could put together if I removed myself from the equation for a little bit. I'm still having a hard time determining people who are for real shady but I I have at least one strong conviction I'll probably vote on here i na moment after I re-read everything.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:02 |
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Monathin posted:To -attempt- to defend myself here, I realized very quickly that if I tried to talk myself through that situation at the time, I almost definitely would have been hammered on as I realized how little sense I was making with all the accusations being thrown around (including the ones on me, which I honestly can't defend because I was acting pretty stupid) For what it worth, you seem like a good poster and I really hope nothing here discourages you from playing - unfortunately a nine player game discourages freebies and I feel like I kind of have to vote the player I think is scummiest. Please keep playing and I really hope you stay with the community.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:07 |
CCKeane posted:For what it worth, you seem like a good poster and I really hope nothing here discourages you from playing - unfortunately a nine player game discourages freebies and I feel like I kind of have to vote the player I think is scummiest. No worries! I'm going to reiterate that I'm not scum but you did get me in a legitimate gotcha which threw me off, and I realized very quickly I would just be digging a deeper grave for myself if I tried to explain my actions. Backing off, even though it doesn't necessarily make me less suspicious, was the wisest course of action to me instead of saying something even dumber.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:13 |
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I feel like CC’s case on Mona is just Gene but more subtle. Like Gene’s signature move is saying nothing in a lot of words, while Mona hedged his reads, which is a very newbie thing to do. I will be watching disaster artist at deadline.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:21 |
GeneX posted:Mona’s been the main discussion point of everyone not named YPM, and Asiina voted for him with an okay D1 case that I disagree with mostly due to gut feel from Mona’s posts (specifically, that his aggressive attempt to catch me in a lie and his post voting for no lynch stem from naivety more than scum intent.) For the record this was basically where I was at on the first day of D1. I hadn't quite read the actual timer at the time and so I was way more hasty. I'm admittedly not used to days going for so long. Now for an actual talk/an accusation: - I disagree with Gene about the idea that YPM and Quid aren't both town-aligned. I think they're both doing similar things in different ways in terms of making Day 1 cases and they're arguing, but I don't think either are making 'fake cases' for the sake of presuming town. - I feel better about Asiina after the collaboration with Keane in dunking me, because it was a pretty easy conclusion at that point. Quidthulhu posted:Maybe flerp is bad. I'm actually going to try and make a case here, since I'd rather try and make my own contribution to the game then bandwagon on Quid's theory about Hal (which I feel is this more solid of the reads going around): flerp was posting a lot on D1, and notably felt bad about voting me, but then didn't turn against me when I was making constantly scummy posts, going quiet after Quid and YPM had their little tussle and not reappearing afterwards. I feel like with how awful my behavior was I should have probably gotten lynched, but my gut instinct is that flerp was going to let me hang out to dry, and either hope I was a D1 mislynch, or, if I wasn't that my continued survival would throw off more scum behavior. With how many people were active in the thread (even with Gene defending me), I shouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting out of that without a hammer vote if flerp was trying to legitimately go town - it would have been an easy thing to jump on after both Keane and Asiina made their reads on me. I'm going to join Quid and ##vote Hal due to their weird conflict on Keane and Asiina's dunks on me, but tl;dr I think flerp should have either voted me or defended me and instead vanished hoping I'd get hammered without them having to stick their neck out.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:29 |
I hosed that entire quote up, sorry.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:29 |
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im sorry ive had a busy few days and forgot about this game. i dont think mona is scum. their case on gene was bad, yes, but it doesnt seem like something a scum would make. i feel like it was an attempt by town to catch scum out in a scum slip or something but it was wildly off base. im rly exhausted rn and prob wont have access to a computer before deadline but im gonna try to reread some stuff
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:48 |
I mean, I don't think anyone thought I was scummy from the Gene case, more the series of idiot posts after that.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 03:55 |
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Quidthulhu posted:Hal's taking too long. I'm a little confused why he's feeling off about Keane for being suspicious of Mona and then praises Asiina for making basically the same case in his "reread." Feels like a faking mistake. Sorry man they don’t let me post on a plane
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:07 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:Sorry man they don’t let me post on a plane I forgot what you even wanted from me, but it was why I felt good about Asiinas case? I thought I basically answered this anyway, but even though I didn’t completely agree with her case, I could understand her points and they seemed like genuine thoughts. I also think that while Asiina is mean I don’t think as scum she’s try so hard to fake case a new player. I do wish she would post more regularly in here but who am I to talk
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:10 |
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See but she made the same points as Keane who you said you were feeling was being disingenuously so idgi I also don’t like that you immediately jumped to being defensive about me saying you were taking too long. That wasn’t throwing shade at you, I knew you were unavailable because you told us. I just didn’t want to wait any more.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:28 |
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Quidthulhu posted:See but she made the same points as Keane who you said you were feeling was being disingenuously so idgi Well I believe you can make the same points in different ways. There is scum making fake points and town making incorrect points. Most of the time town is still wrong in mafia, I always look at tone and intent with posts as my main reads with the actual content itself secondary. I’m pretty sure you know this about me by now! Sorry if I seemed defensive, but in the same post you said you were tired of waiting for me you also listed me as your second scum read so you know it felt like maybe a little attacky
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:39 |
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Oh jeez deadline is super close. Guess ##vote Mona is all I can do People I feel good about : Quid, YPM, Asiina (less than those other 2) People I don’t like much so far (Keane, maybe Gene his last few posts aren’t so hot to me) Unsure: monathin, flerp Person we really should just kill: bowmore
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:43 |
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Hrmmm gene having his vote on Keane this late makes me think they are unlikely to both be scum
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:44 |
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Please dont let this be yet another NL in an Opop game. I swear somehow we can never kill anyone in his games
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:45 |
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CCKeane posted:Anybody got any questions for me because I'm bearing "break out the scotch" o clock. Hope it doesn’t smell too much like fire in your place
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:47 |
So it goes. Farewell, thread.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:50 |
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##vote Monathin
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 05:53 |
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Sigh. Better luck tomorrow folks
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 07:26 |
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I’m disappointed in all of you. It is now N1
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 08:06 |
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Bowmore, Town Aligned Elf, was stolen N1 It is now D2
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 18:15 |
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Good guy scum team.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 18:36 |
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I suppose I’ll be the one to rhetorically ask why on earth scum decided to gank the potential modkill. They might just have wanted to deny info to town, though if I speculate a bit, there might be an additional possibility of them liking how discussion was going and thus not wanting to mess with it; there could be yet another wine level on top of that, with them expecting this response, but I feel like going that deep isn’t/wouldn’t be worth murdering a nobody
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 18:53 |
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Mafia edit: I guess they could also just be being nice to everyone
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 18:55 |
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GeneX posted:I suppose I’ll be the one to rhetorically ask why on earth scum decided to gank the potential modkill. Its considered good sportsmanship. I don't use it in my scumhunting, partly because all it tells you is that scum might have a vet on the team, and also because scum are trying to make the game better, which is cool and good and it would be stupid to discourage that. Let's not no lynch again, although that was partly my fault. I still think Gene is our best candidate, with Mona being a very far second.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 19:26 |
I honestly didn't expect to live through the night, I figured there would have been enough people to hammer me near the end of the day with Hal coming in. I suppose I could have been the deciding vote on myself but I've always sort of considered that kind of a dick move in the other groups I've played with.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 19:40 |
Also I still think flerp is kinda shady, his come-lately defense after I brought him up at the end of D1 didn't really address any of my own suspicions.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 19:40 |
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Monathin posted:Also I still think flerp is kinda shady, his come-lately defense after I brought him up at the end of D1 didn't really address any of my own suspicions. I meant to ask, why do you concede that your posts were scummy?
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 20:15 |
Your Personal Muse posted:I meant to ask, why do you concede that your posts were scummy? I was jumping back and forth on a lot of points, which came off as being very shifty-stanced (which in my mind is a real hint of being scummy, not just changing mind, but going back and forth repeatedly), in addition to inadvertently (sorry, Keane!) trying to play Spot The Lurker. After I got called out by Keane/Asiina, I dropped out for a day, which doesn't do much to make myself seem -less- shady since you could say the same thing happens to a scum who goes quiet when out-foxed, but I did it mostly to see where things stood when I wasn't in the heat of the moment conversation.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 20:37 |
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Your Personal Muse posted:Its considered good sportsmanship. I don't use it in my scumhunting, partly because all it tells you is that scum might have a vet on the team, and also because scum are trying to make the game better, which is cool and good and it would be stupid to discourage that. can u give me a quick rundown on why u think gene is scum ty
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 20:49 |
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flerp posted:can u give me a quick rundown on why u think gene is scum ty Sure. All of his reads were "hmmm maybe?" reads where he avoided giving a direct and conclusory opinion of anything. For example, when me and quid had our dance, he said that we were probably the same alignment without giving an indication of what that alignment was. He ha an awkward entrance with an awkward vote. He hamfistedly told us that he didn't receive a role pm (the last two are, of course, not the reason for the bulk of my suspicion). To me, he's Mona, except Mona is new and Gene has been doing this for seven years. Monathin posted:I was jumping back and forth on a lot of points, which came off as being very shifty-stanced (which in my mind is a real hint of being scummy, not just changing mind, but going back and forth repeatedly), in addition to inadvertently (sorry, Keane!) trying to play Spot The Lurker. Why do you think scum jump back and forth on their reads?
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