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NewFatMike posted:I'm on the bus so I can't check out the video in the article, but: Haha no way that can be true, especially those clocks.
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Pretty confident that came from 4chan and thus is horseshit.
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Dec 10, 2017 02:48
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If so it will be a goddamn repeat of Pentium 4 vs Athlon. Thinking about how long Intel has been riding on no-competition.. maybe it's possible? I want to believe.
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Dec 10, 2017 02:51
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Free blowjobs too?
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AMD pulling some NVIDIA-level naming bullshit right there. Ryzen2 the series, using the Ryzen+ stepping, to be followed by the Ryzen2 uarch...
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Dec 10, 2017 03:21
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To me the thing that's least believable about it is that they'd come up with a 12-core 5.1GHz chip, which would be able to murder anything Intel is putting out for under four figures, and then they'd sell it for $450. Like... I'd stand in line to pay $700 for that and I'm a cheapass who's been sitting on a 2500K for 6 years looking at new things and going "eh... not good enough yet."
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Dec 10, 2017 04:49
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if anything, those clocks are way too low tell me i’m wrong, lisa
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Dec 10, 2017 05:34
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That rumor strikes me as wrong on everything. The core counts are unlikely to change. The clock gains are way too high and why would they use the 2XXX naming system instead of 1X50? Everything about it seems dumb and bad. So it is probably right?
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Dec 10, 2017 05:56
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Maybe for Ryzen2 you might see cores change and clocks that high, but Ryzen+ will be maybe 4.3 to 4.5ghz and bettern memory timings thats about it
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Dec 10, 2017 07:00
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Those "leaks" seem like horseshit, but if they were true, everyone would be rushing out to buy one. 8700K would seem like a plaything even with slightly better single thread perfomance, especially with a 5.1GHz stock boost. But I'm pretty sure someone has just scribbled out their fantasties, keeping them just on the edge of possibility, and then spread them around.
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Dec 10, 2017 09:39
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It's like they took every individual possible upgrade, turned them to 11, and rolled them together.
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Dec 10, 2017 09:46
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Paul MaudDib posted:AMD pulling some NVIDIA-level naming bullshit right there. Ryzen2 the series, using the Ryzen+ stepping, to be followed by the Ryzen2 uarch... Amd uses Ryzen the same way Intel uses Core, Ryzen 2 is only used on lovely clickbait techsites. Neither Ryzen+ nor Zen+ exist anymore but people still stick to that name for some reason, and the architecture is named Zen(2). Those specs are obvious fakes that have been circulating around for months.
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Dec 10, 2017 10:43
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Pinnacle is supposed to be on 12nmLP (or really, AMD 14nm++), so there will be some improvement, because who the gently caress pays a fab for a customized process to design several chips for and get nothing out of it? gently caress it would be AMD, wouldn't? The only way those core counts and clockspeeds are in the realm of realistic is if AMD is backporting Zen2 to 12nm, which might turn into it's own kind of mess. If that's true, it also means Zen2 7nm is delayed to like, mid 2019 or so.
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Dec 10, 2017 10:54
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I'd buy a guaranteed 4.5 GHz 8C/16T Ryzen1.5 part for sure. Anything above that would be icing on the cake.
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Dec 10, 2017 12:37
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I went checking to see if all the other listed Ryzen parts on that roadmap had launched on time or how far behind they were. And then I found THIS company. https://www.qarnot.com/ Who announced that they were switching from Intel processors to AMD Ryzen parts. Inb4 "lol AMD space heater" jokes.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:19
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SwissArmyDruid posted:And then I found THIS company. This seems like a terrible idea all around.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:30
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Oh wow. That is not actually a joke? Im sure they can fit a buttcoin miner in that heater somewhere.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:44
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that "leak" is a month old /r/ayymd shitpost lol https://www.reddit.com/r/AyyMD/comments/79aiwh/ryzen_2
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repiv posted:that "leak" is a month old /r/ayymd shitpost lol Not that that was a surprise
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Dec 10, 2017 19:53
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I see SemiAccurate forums is running a bitcoin miner in your browser now. Charlie's just a real class act.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:29
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yo, i told you that leak was bs. the real numbers are much higher.
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Dec 10, 2017 21:45
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Ryzen was originally delayed because it's was so fast it managed to get an overflow error on the core frequency. Ryzen 2 will be noticeably slower in absolute terms but faster practically.
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Dec 10, 2017 22:50
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FaustianQ posted:Ryzen was originally delayed because it's was so fast it managed to get an overflow error on the core frequency. Ryzen 2 will be noticeably slower in absolute terms but faster practically. Jim Keller was a big Dragon Age Origins fan
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Dec 10, 2017 23:20
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Paul MaudDib posted:I see SemiAccurate forums is running a bitcoin miner in your browser now. Charlie's just a real class act. Seriously? Don’t they charge major subscription fees? What trash.
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Dec 11, 2017 01:16
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Paul MaudDib posted:I see SemiAccurate forums is running a bitcoin miner in your browser now. Charlie's just a real class act.  everything about bitcoin is hilarious
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Dec 11, 2017 01:22
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In the far future of 6 months from now, the last of Earths atmosphere is lost to space as the cryptomines which crisscross the surface consume it in blazing inferno. RTG still remains in the red despite selling millions of Vega cards, stating that "Well, if you look at our Non-GAAP..."
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Eletriarnation posted:To me the thing that's least believable about it is that they'd come up with a 12-core 5.1GHz chip, which would be able to murder anything Intel is putting out for under four figures, and then they'd sell it for $450. Like... I'd stand in line to pay $700 for that and I'm a cheapass who's been sitting on a 2500K for 6 years looking at new things and going "eh... not good enough yet." The below will set everything straight. Kazinsal posted:I'd buy a guaranteed 4.5 GHz 8C/16T Ryzen1.5 part for sure. Anything above that would be icing on the cake.
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Dec 11, 2017 05:41
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What's known about the process that Ryzen+ is on?
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redeyes posted:Oh wow. That is not actually a joke? Im sure they can fit a buttcoin miner in that heater somewhere. Conning normal people to pay for your electricity, deal with your waste heat, house your equipment, and not use any of the actual computing power is a dream come true for capitalism, but putting server farms inside thousands/millions of homes is a maintenance/upgrading nightmare. And data access speeds would be alll kinds of hosed. 
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:What's known about the process that Ryzen+ is on? its 14nm++ that was given a fancy new name. It might have slightly more via density, or smaller line pitch or it could just be better fin topology.
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Dec 11, 2017 12:25
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Whenever I bring up async IF elsewhere, I often enough get countered by people saying that AMD wouldn't do it because it requires additional buffering that'd cause latency. Well, given the bus width and frequency mismatchs between RAM and IF, aren't there already buffers, anyway?
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Dec 11, 2017 12:51
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Possible that Ryzen The Next Generation is mostly just the desktop APU version (plus the process tweaks)?
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Combat Pretzel posted:Whenever I bring up async IF elsewhere, I often enough get countered by people saying that AMD wouldn't do it because it requires additional buffering that'd cause latency. Well, given the bus width and frequency mismatchs between RAM and IF, aren't there already buffers, anyway? My understanding is that the issue is that they're linked (with some multiplier), not mismatched.
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Dec 11, 2017 16:45
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Yes, the IF runs at half the memory bus speed. But it's like 4 times as wide (256 bit vs 64 bit memory bus). There's gotta be some buffering already.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Yes, the IF runs at half the memory bus speed. But it's like 4 times as wide (256 bit vs 64 bit memory bus). There's gotta be some buffering already. IF is also a packet based setup, similar to PCI-E, so running them completely async shouldn't be an issue fundamentally, you still have flow control and congestion management on the fabric, you just run them both as fast as they can, and deal with buffer over and underruns on the IF crossbar like you would any other memory tech. It's certainly hideously more complex than that, but fundamentally nothing about IF needs to be tied to a specific clock domain.
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So it turns out that intel 10nm is turbofucked, meaning that AMD + glofo 7nm could actually be ahead/competitive with intel on a process level. AMD still needs a good GPU but getting that sweet sweet datacenter cpu cash would go a long way to funding RTG well....
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Malcolm XML posted:So it turns out that intel 10nm is turbofucked, meaning that AMD + glofo 7nm could actually be ahead/competitive with intel on a process level. I'm not aware of any good news outlets that cover such things. Who and where can I read about Intel's 10nm being hosed up?
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Malcolm XML posted:So it turns out that intel 10nm is turbofucked, meaning that AMD + glofo 7nm could actually be ahead/competitive with intel on a process level. Is there a source for this?
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Yea some info would be nice. The last thing I heard about 10nm was something about cobalt interconnects.
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