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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the x11 take it was just a solution that seemed right at that point of time, but it was a very short moment, since it relied on: * pixmaps are small in size and are not the bulk of drawing operations * drawing is sufficiently complicated that you need a highly specialized and hardware-dependent server to do it * fancy drawing can be serialized into hardware-independent command lists the first two of these things are no longer true with the widespread adoption of 8-bit chunky truecolor pixel formats and video games programmers proving they were better than the people paid by dec and sun. also advancements in other operating systems like windows made people want more powerful drawing primitives than what x11 provided in core protocol. like vector fonts and antialiased polygons the last one became untrue when the gpu was invented.
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Soricidus posted:I don’t really give a gently caress about the implementation. I just want to be able to run something on one computer and display it on another. and right now the only way to do that with desktop linux appears to be to go back to the old x11 technology that we’re constantly being told is obsolete
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Soricidus posted:I don’t really give a gently caress about the implementation. I just want to be able to run something on one computer and display it on another. and right now the only way to do that with desktop linux appears to be to go back to the old x11 technology that we’re constantly being told is obsolete
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Soricidus posted:I don’t really give a gently caress about the implementation. I just want to be able to run something on one computer and display it on another. and right now the only way to do that with desktop linux appears to be to go back to the old x11 technology that we’re constantly being told is obsolete use nomachine
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Malcolm XML posted:use nomachine is it open source does it appear in the official centos repositories
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also,Soricidus posted:I don’t really give a gently caress about the implementation. I just want to be able to run something on one computer and display it on another. and right now the only way to do that with desktop linux appears to be to go back to the old x11 technology that we’re constantly being told is obsolete
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what about spice
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he who controls the spice, controls the universe. the spice must flow
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the parallel man page is wild. it tell you to look at a youtube and then has like 5 screens of the difference between it and other similar programs
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Upgraded to fedora 27 via dnf. The most refreshing thing is that there is no obnoxious popup telling me about all the fancy new features of this new update, and forcing me to hunt for a (sometimes missing) skip button. It just has a small notification that says “packages were updated” and that’s it. 10/10 would update again
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Same here. Fedora is a good Linux. 
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did it finish tho?
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there's always this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/ChangeSet
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Progressive JPEG posted:did it finish tho? yes it took awhile... maybe an hour or so? and I could see the progress, including the packages being installed, which was nice the windows creator update took an entire day on my windows laptop and the bulk of the time was an inscrutable progress message and the rest of the time was a mildly helpful percentage indicator the most annoying part was that windows needed to reboot multiple times for this update and this was on a laptop with a bios hard drive password. So, for every reboot, I had to come back and unlock it. Sure, I could have just removed the password, but I didn’t think I needed to enter it that many times
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hifi posted:there's always this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/ChangeSet oh man, tcp wrappers is getting deprecated I’m surprised it wasn’t removed a long time ago, especially when firewalld came around
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el dorito posted:oh man, tcp wrappers is getting deprecated aww poo poo i think i use that to block china
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windows rebooting a million times in an update and the progress bar moving all over is a classic though
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hifi posted:windows rebooting a million times in an update and the progress bar moving all over is a classic though 140% done!
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Is there really nothing in Gnome 3 like the systray in Windows? Like, I need to keep Transmission running on a desktop and have to look at the icon every time I mash alt+tab?
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thebigcow posted:Is there really nothing in Gnome 3 like the systray in Windows? Like, I need to keep Transmission running on a desktop and have to look at the icon every time I mash alt+tab? why dont you run it as a service
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hifi posted:why dont you run it as a service .... good idea
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the only things that use the gnome "systray" equivalent are obnoxious proprietary programs whose marketing department insist that they shove their dick in your face at all times
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you might also be interested in the "Alternatetab" extension which you can set through gnome-tweak-tool, this will limit what applications are shown to those on your current desktop and doesn't group by application
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gnome: all applications show up in the overview at all times, even the minimized ones also gnome: no you can't put an icon in a system try, why would you possibly want that?
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desktop linux lol
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who will fix the thread title when 2018 proves itself the year of linux on the desktop
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome 3 is really bad the good news is that you can use JavaScript to monkey patch the display compositor into doing what you want!
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome is really bad
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gnome 2 was ok as a ui a pity about the state of their SDKs, though. half-documented, or un-documented, and everything useful was deprecated approximately 100% of the time the oaf/corba system had a lot of potential. so did java-gnome. naturally both were poorly documented and deprecated by the end of the 2.x lifecycle.
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desktop linux was sort of a credible ecological niche of its own, then the one-two punch of gnome 3 and kde 4 happened and every sane person fled to macos. the only people left are the true believers. sometimes they produce decent software anyway, but the manpower is a fraction of what it used to be. there's maybe, i don't know, 30 people working on gnome and the entire user-facing freedesktop stack, including mesa drivers? the team that maintains whatsapp's emoji picker is probably bigger than that.
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there are some broader industry trends that make it harder than it used to be C++ UI developers are not exactly common in the year 2017. when kde and gnome got their start, working on the systems behind a GUI involved a number of the same skillsets as working on application UIs, so it was easier to solicit volunteers now UI SDKs are another systems programming task. who are they gonna recruit? browser developers?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:who will fix the thread title when 2018 proves itself the year of linux on the desktop apt-get upgrade thread-title
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we've talked a bunch about gnome 3's fuckups, but to give you an idea of the utter bug gently caress insanity that was kde 4, they created some sort of ~*ontological knowledge database*~ or whatever the gently caress (so, a search service). this service process hosted a full embedded instance of mysql (???) like an actual standalone db server process, not the server library you communicated with it using a protocol based on imap (?!?!?!?!) with nonstandard extensions and to query things, from this service that embeds a full mysql database server, you'd pull down the entire collection and filter it client side (insert here a rich and sinuous tapestry of multi-lingual profanity spanning a representative cross-section of languages descending from proto indo european)
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Captain Foo posted:apt-get upgrade thread-title please, this is an rpm-based thread, use dnf
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what is dnf meant to stand for because whenever i see it i can only think of 'duke nukem forever' or 'did not finish', the latter of which may be appropriate in the context of linux on the desktop
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Sapozhnik posted:we've talked a bunch about gnome 3's fuckups, but to give you an idea of the utter bug gently caress insanity that was kde 4, they created some sort of ~*ontological knowledge database*~ or whatever the gently caress (so, a search service). it's so much worse than it sounds. the system was called 'nepomuk'
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Generic Monk posted:what is dnf meant to stand for because whenever i see it i can only think of 'duke nukem forever' or 'did not finish', the latter of which may be appropriate in the context of linux on the desktop realistically it stands for nothing, as the internet seems to claim it is for "dandified <one thing or another>", which sounds pretty deep into backronym territory
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