BloodyScab posted:

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Clive Johnson CIG@cjohnsonOctober 14th at 02:35 pm
Hi tom5598
You're right that the networking side of things doesn't get the spotlight very often - that's just the nature of the work really.
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I think sometimes this lack of visibility can be misinterpreted as secrecy or a lack of progress, but neither of those is the case, and pretty much everything we do is shown in the production schedule.
The only things that aren't in there are those that can't easily be scheduled like bug fixing. Also sometimes we need to change priorities and the schedule can lag behind a bit.

To give you an update on the specific technologies you asked about :
Server meshing - not started yet. Our plan was always to make the single-server experience better and more optimized first.
Server meshing is going to build on the technologies we're creating for single servers, so these all need to be in place before we can start.
Also it is going to be challenging and complex work that will need the focus of the whole network programming team, so once we start work on it we don't want to be fighting a war on two fronts.

Virtual Captain posted:

Virtual Captain posted:

Hav posted:

What is the server meshing supposed to do? Other than be the *magic* that makes everything work.

And let's be clear here; a 'server mesh' is effectively just describing a system where hosts are interconnected with a least cost routing model. It's not _a thing_, but a philosophy that you have to construct your entire server architecture around because it impacts the operation of said, not the least is going to be introducing race conditions. You don't take a piece of single-threaded server software and bang it into a mesh for the ability to say you did it.

Feels like they're moving closer to an instance model with queuing, but the technical issues are still massive here, not the least is the exponential increase in traffic that comes from meshing.

The Titanic posted:

You’re so cute when you do this. You’re not a backer and you have no “skin in the game”.

It’s totally ok to just be here to troll people, especially Derek, but this stuff is so silly of you. You’re literally the anti-backer in everything except when you say otherwise.

This is the silliest part of your gimmick.

ManofManyAliases posted:

What's with the reverse psychology bit of late? Saying I'm not a backer is not going to get me to link my account or show "proof" otherwise. Don't want to believe that I am? I'm fine with that.

ManofManyAliases posted:

What's with the reverse psychology bit of late? Saying I'm not a backer is not going to get me to link my account or show "proof" otherwise. Don't want to believe that I am? I'm fine with that.

Enchanted Hat posted:

they haven't even STARTED

Virtual Captain posted:

ManofManyAliases posted:

What's with the reverse psychology bit of late? Saying I'm not a backer is not going to get me to link my account or show "proof" otherwise. Don't want to believe that I am? I'm fine with that.

Hav posted:

What is the server meshing supposed to do? Other than be the *magic* that makes everything work.

And let's be clear here; a 'server mesh' is effectively just describing a system where hosts are interconnected with a least cost routing model. It's not _a thing_, but a philosophy that you have to construct your entire server architecture around because it impacts the operation of said, not the least is going to be introducing race conditions. You don't take a piece of single-threaded server software and bang it into a mesh for the ability to say you did it.

Feels like they're moving closer to an instance model with queuing, but the technical issues are still massive here, not the least is the exponential increase in traffic that comes from meshing.

SCtrumpHaters posted:

You know. Some people might feel bad for Clive, saying hes defensive because hes stuck by management, etc so hes doing the bullshit artist routine.

You know what? gently caress him. He's just a fuckin scammer (if your paycheck is derived from theft or fraud and you know it. You are just as guilty! Even if you are a janitor. You know better. Get a real job) at this point and I hope they use him as the scappiest of goats soon.

Daztek posted:

I think your gimmick swung too far to the other side

SCtrumpHaters posted:

I'm letting you backers know that I understand the hell out of game development. Real meat and potatoes stuff.

And if you wait a minute, I'll show you just how the sausage gets made.

Hav posted:

Feels like they're moving closer to an instance model with queuing, but the technical issues are still massive here, not the least is the exponential increase in traffic that comes from meshing.

SelenicMartian posted:

Star Citizen: not started yet

Hav posted:

They're vested in Yojimbo at the moment;

https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo

I believe private servers were a stretch goal? Remember when Elite announced that there would be no entire offline mode and the mad people rebelled?

SCtrumpHaters posted:

Lets get really real here guy who works in QA at Manchester (random example).

The tens of thousands of dollars a year you receive is derived from people, often mentally ill, who think you are making and delivering a certain product. you know for a fact that that product is impossible or of such poor quality. Yet you stay. You justify to yourself that you aren't the one in charge. just doing what you are told. those tens of thousands in cash is just too nice. You don't even quit your job even though you fail over and over to get even the most basic things correct. You have 0 pride.

You stay at this point because you either don't care (ie scum) or know you could not get an actual job in the industry (parasitic scum).

D_Smart posted:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/940250380025454592

Incitatus posted:

Article or blog?

TheAgent posted:

Incinatus: Is it an article or a blog?
Dr. Smart: The difference being?
Incinatus: A blog is composed of articles
Dr. Smart: That's a nice rationalization, Incinatus.

Incitatus posted:

I didn't know that game development involved meat and potatoes.

PederP posted:

But that's just a network library. As you know there's also physics/simulation, AI, state tracking, tons of subsystems. That needs to be built inside a server framework which handles resource allocation, scaling, spatial segmentation, load balancing, recovery, shared state, persistence, etc. I get the vibe I am getting is that they don't really have this and are just piggybacking on cryengine.

SCtrumpHaters posted:

Another part of cutting the bullshit is any sympathy for people who choose to continue working at CIG. They know the score.
They have known it for a long time. They are scammers. Some may be the equivalent of the office secretary at the phishing call office in India but they are still scammers, they help enable it to go more efficiently and profit personally from it to the tune of tens of thousands a year.

If you can't get an actual job then maybe you aren't good enough for the industry.

Hav posted:

You should go find the video on the serialised variables. They literally figured out atomic updates of objects (_get & _set) last year. Race conditions appear to be hilariously common in a largely single-threaded application, which starts to raise the specter of trying to scale out.

D_Smart posted:

OK, serious question time.

Is there anyone who seriously - no snark - thinks that there is ever going to be a "game" coming from this?

We make fun of them for the lols, but we're now down to the point where we have to start taking this poo poo seriously because, you know, lives and bank accounts are at a risk.