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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost

nm posted:

It was a mistake. Prosecutors are never good people.

:mad:

Sir I take umbrage.

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

A former clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski said the powerful and well-known jurist, who for many years served as chief judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, called her into his office several times and pulled up pornography on his computer, asking if she thought it was photoshopped or if it aroused her sexually.

Heidi Bond, who clerked for Kozinski from 2006 to 2007, said the porn was not related to any case. One set of images she remembered was of college-age students at a party where “some people were inexplicably naked while everyone else was clothed.” Another was a sort of digital flip book that allowed users to mix and match heads, torsos and legs to create an image of a naked woman.

Bond is one of six women — all former clerks or externs in the 9th Circuit — who alleged to The Washington Post in recent weeks that Kozinski, now 67 and still serving as a judge on the court, subjected them to a range of inappropriate sexual conduct or comments. She is one of two former clerks who said Kozinski asked them to view porn in his chambers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...31ef_story.html

Lock him up.

Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 9, 2017

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
He also had that whole hosting porn on his website thing.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

nm posted:

He also had that whole hosting porn on his website thing.

Apparently the investigation into that handwaved it as Kozinski not understanding that the material would be public.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

http://www.courtneymilan.com/metoo/kozinski.html

The judge who cleared him seems likely to be feeling a little different these days.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
never forget

:nws:

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

yeah the second my friend imed me to say kozinski was next on the chopping block I responded "the cow porn guy?"

too bad he's one of the best judges out there

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
ramirez-lopez was possibly the greatest dissent in the history of us jurisprudence

ah well

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Welp. :smith:

Omerta
Feb 19, 2007

I thought short arms were good for benching :smith:

evilweasel posted:

those are pretty illegal in every state whose ethics rules I've thumbed through, which are admittedly not that many

This is legal in Georgia.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

JohnCompany posted:

See underlining. Serious question, how much is work other than as an attorney worth to you?

Good point, which is probably why it's a good idea to ask in the good points experts thread. Yeah, it's really not what I want to do from the information I got, but I'll mull it over some more. Girlfriend is none too pleased with my current work situation (and of course, neither am I) and I'd like something with a bit more of a future. Might go ahead and start my own company, actually, it'd probably be a lot more fun with associates to poo poo on. Problem is, I'm a communist. How could I justify that to myself?

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

You must not own other's means of production then, comrade. Join them as partners, and hire no staff.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

You must not own other's means of production then, comrade. Join them as partners, and hire no staff.

Brilliant :ussr: I'll do just that. It'll be a bespoke firm, specializing heavily in litigating CEO/board malfeasance/culpable action suits for registered stock companies (there's a special piercing-the-corporate-veil stock law statute with broad application for exactly this, seems topical since this exact thing is on the rise lately, yay capitalism and slovenly econ-krim).

I will singlehandedly defeat capitalism.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Nice piece of fish posted:

Good point, which is probably why it's a good idea to ask in the good points experts thread. Yeah, it's really not what I want to do from the information I got, but I'll mull it over some more. Girlfriend is none too pleased with my current work situation (and of course, neither am I) and I'd like something with a bit more of a future. Might go ahead and start my own company, actually, it'd probably be a lot more fun with associates to poo poo on. Problem is, I'm a communist. How could I justify that to myself?

You could be this dude
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Serra

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Nice piece of fish posted:

Good point, which is probably why it's a good idea to ask in the good points experts thread. Yeah, it's really not what I want to do from the information I got, but I'll mull it over some more. Girlfriend is none too pleased with my current work situation (and of course, neither am I) and I'd like something with a bit more of a future. Might go ahead and start my own company, actually, it'd probably be a lot more fun with associates to poo poo on. Problem is, I'm a communist. How could I justify that to myself?

communism is more about collective ownership of capital than anything else, which a law firm has essentially none of. the distinction between partner and associate is more of a division of business risk (associates are salaried and earn their salary in good times and bad, until fired, while a partner's income varies according to the business) and of relative value to the enterprise. a law firm can't really have partners who do no work but collect profits in the same way that a supplier of capital can do no work for a business yet earn a return, because if someone tries the associates/other partners can just open a new firm across the street as long as they can front the rent and some computers. there are partners who only supply the relationships to obtain work, and benefit the business in that way, but that's something vital to the business rather than just idle accumulation of income from capital

so being a partner at a law is 100% in line with your communist ethos.

of course, the things you're hired to do may not be, but such is life.

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

evilweasel posted:

so being a partner at a law is 100% in line with your communist ethos.

The petite bourgeois are often the first against the wall.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Roger_Mudd posted:

The petite bourgeois are often the first against the wall.

Before the government attorneys? (Which he is IIRC)

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

nm posted:

Before the government attorneys? (Which he is IIRC)

Well they just lose jobs in paradise. When that state owns everything, there is no need for judicial review. 😎

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

nm posted:

Before the government attorneys? (Which he is IIRC)

i think historically low-level government bureaucrats are allowed to stay on the job provided they pledge loyalty to the new boss because the revolutionaries don't have the time or people to restaff all of the government, and glorious revolutionaries get better posts than low-level government attorney, they get the entire department which needs to be functioning well enough to beat off attempts to take over part of their turf

you might be in for a purging in 5-10 years though once they have sufficient loyalists to run things though

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 13, 2021

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Roger_Mudd posted:

Well they just lose jobs in paradise. When that state owns everything, there is no need for judicial review. 😎
It can't be a show trial without lawyers.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
When did Something Awful become Communist? Like, its everywhere now.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Also, there's nothing more Peak Internet than people posting about :capitalism: from thousand dollar porn machines made by the tiny fingers of child slaves in communist third world countries.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

blarzgh posted:

When did Something Awful become Communist? Like, its everywhere now.

calling obama a communist for eight years turns out to have had unintended side effects with people too young to remember the soviet union

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

evilweasel posted:

calling obama a communist for eight years turns out to have had unintended side effects with people too young to remember the soviet union

That actually makes sense, considering people spent '00-'08 calling Bush/Cheney 'Nazis'.


[Archer Meme: "You want Nazis? Thats how you get Nazis!"]

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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blarzgh posted:

When did Something Awful become Communist? Like, its everywhere now.

Well, last year sometime it turned out that all of the people who posted ironic hitler memes all the time were actually nazis. Since this type of poo poo infected almost any right wing place, more and more right wing thought was chased out because the primary people espousing it were including "also lets get rid of all minorities while we're it at it" which has technically been a part of conservative playbooks for years but never so much out in the open. This has caused SA to shift dramatically leftward across the board.

I mean D&D has always been full of crazies, but it's amazing what having no poo poo nazis killing people plus the rich so blatantly robbing everyone will do to shift a general mood leftward.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


evilweasel posted:

i think historically low-level government bureaucrats are allowed to stay on the job provided they pledge loyalty to the new boss because the revolutionaries don't have the time or people to restaff all of the government, and glorious revolutionaries get better posts than low-level government attorney, they get the entire department which needs to be functioning well enough to beat off attempts to take over part of their turf

you might be in for a purging in 5-10 years though once they have sufficient loyalists to run things though

Entirely true. Even in the Soviet Union, the first few years of Bolshevik government involved party appointees leading a civil service that, in many significant places, remained comprised of some of the same employees as below. The revolutionaries also often need someone who actually knows what a Form 24-B is and how to fill them out properly, even if they're requisitioning the same office supplies to publish a propaganda magazine instead of an employee newsletter.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

blarzgh posted:

Also, there's nothing more Peak Internet than people posting about :capitalism: from thousand dollar porn machines made by the tiny fingers of child slaves in communist third world countries.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
Lol

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

Does the fine print on Saints season tickets promise the team will only oppress minorities during home games or something?

I mean, that's what is on the Cowboys tickets but I didn't know if that was boilerplate or not.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Mr. Nice! posted:

Well, last year sometime it turned out that all of the people who posted ironic hitler memes all the time were actually nazis. Since this type of poo poo infected almost any right wing place, more and more right wing thought was chased out because the primary people espousing it were including "also lets get rid of all minorities while we're it at it" which has technically been a part of conservative playbooks for years but never so much out in the open. This has caused SA to shift dramatically leftward across the board.

I mean D&D has always been full of crazies, but it's amazing what having no poo poo nazis killing people plus the rich so blatantly robbing everyone will do to shift a general mood leftward.

You know how right-wingers use the ever-present specter of "turrism" and "Muslims" to galvanize olds and the uneducated into driven, and malleable groupthink, despite the statistical and practical insignificance of the actual number and impact of these canned boogeymen?

"There's Nazi's in them there hills!" Is the same thing, but for the left.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

blarzgh posted:

When did Something Awful become Communist? Like, its everywhere now.

Around 2009.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

blarzgh posted:

You know how right-wingers use the ever-present specter of "turrism" and "Muslims" to galvanize olds and the uneducated into driven, and malleable groupthink, despite the statistical and practical insignificance of the actual number and impact of these canned boogeymen?

"There's Nazi's in them there hills!" Is the same thing, but for the left.

Man these posts from the alternative, non-Trump timeline are fascinating.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



blarzgh posted:

You know how right-wingers use the ever-present specter of "turrism" and "Muslims" to galvanize olds and the uneducated into driven, and malleable groupthink, despite the statistical and practical insignificance of the actual number and impact of these canned boogeymen?

"There's Nazi's in them there hills!" Is the same thing, but for the left.

Except for the literal Nazis holding rallies and killing people, or folks like Bannon or Jeff Sessions who want a white ethnostate holding high positions in the administration...

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp
I have a question I'm not really sure where belongs, so I'm asking here because I need an explanation from bona-fide americans well versed in popular culture etc.

What the gently caress is Pee-Wee Herman. Is it supposed to be funny? Is it like some sort of satire? I saw a movie on netflix and I got so annoyed I turned it off after about fifteen minutes when it became abundandtly clear that it was never going to include a single joke or funny situation.

I don't understand what the point is, I don't understand how this character is funny, I don't get how this is somehow iconic american entertainment. I felt transported into some sort of alternate dimension where actors pay superficial homage to the idea of parody, without understanding it at all. Cargo cult humorism, if you will. Is this guy supposed to suck and be unfunny?

Caveat, where I live (just like in Germany) humor is no laughing matter. So this all may just be flying over my metaphorical cultural head.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Nice piece of fish posted:

What the gently caress is Pee-Wee Herman. Is it supposed to be funny? Is it like some sort of satire? I saw a movie on netflix and I got so annoyed I turned it off after about fifteen minutes when it became abundandtly clear that it was never going to include a single joke or funny situation.
No, it's not satire. It's part of a genre of comedy called "camp".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)

Pee-Wee Herman is a relic from the 80s when there weren't many gay characters on TV or movies. He was an obviously gay character on a Saturday morning TV aimed at children!

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Gobbeldygook posted:

No, it's not satire. It's part of a genre of comedy called "camp".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)

Pee-Wee Herman is a relic from the 80s when there weren't many gay characters on TV or movies. He was an obviously gay character on a Saturday morning TV aimed at children!

It's gay parody. What? There's not even a wikipedia page on "camp" in my language, apparently that isn't much of a thing here, but it's some sort of gay liberation thing (in the UK at least seems like).

Like... this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4EDYVupd0A

I didn't get that from the whole Pee-Wee Herman thing at all. He's supposed to be gay and not a parody manchild? It's not actually supposed to be funny, then.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

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blarzgh posted:

You know how right-wingers use the ever-present specter of "turrism" and "Muslims" to galvanize olds and the uneducated into driven, and malleable groupthink, despite the statistical and practical insignificance of the actual number and impact of these canned boogeymen?

"There's Nazi's in them there hills!" Is the same thing, but for the left.

Except, as pointed out, there are actual nazis in the hills, they've held rallies, and they've killed and beaten people this very year at them.


Also, PeeWee is not gay. He's supposed to be children's entertainment and isn't sexual at all.

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Aug 6, 2013


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Mr. Nice! posted:

Also, PeeWee is not gay. He's supposed to be children's entertainment and isn't sexual at all.

PeeWee is just meant to be silly the exact same way the Muppets are meant to be silly. There really isn't anything to "get," people either like it or they don't.

I will say Fish, at the risk of painting with a broad brush, that someone from Northern Europe just not "getting" campy silliness is hilarious stereotype fulfillment.

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blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Mr. Nice! posted:

Except, as pointed out, there are actual nazis in the hills, they've held rallies, and they've killed and beaten people this very year at them.

If the people who think they're "Nazis" today had any idea the breadth of social programming, stripping of individual liberties, and government deficit spending that the National Socialists used to gain, and sustain power, they'd call themselves something else.

Like the idea of self-proclaimed "Nazis" holding a rally is ridiculous to me, because one of the first thing the real Nazi party did when it took/was taking control of the state was rescind the right of free assembly.

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