Your Personal Muse posted:Why do you think scum jump back and forth on their reads? Personally, I think scum will waffle much more on a vote, refusing to commit their thoughts one way or another. I was doing a lot of this when I was jumping back and forth between flerp (who I am much more convinced at this moment is scummy) to Asiina (who cleared my suspicious with a thorough counter-dunk), add to that some mistakes on my part (for example, I thought D1 would progress much faster than it actually did and wasn't looking at votefinder's deadline at the time), and I can see an easy case for me being scummy. I will admit I don't necessarily think a NL on Day 1 in a 9-person game is sub-optimal/as shady (which came up in Asiina's read), but that's personally how I prefer to play the game. I hate mislynching someone because that feels like a big personal fuckup on my part, and I tend to err more on D1 lynches hurting town more than helping in the majority of cases. That isn't how people play it here, and I realized arguing my point at the time would have probably just made me look more suspicious.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 21:42 |
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You certainly are crazy self aware about your posting. I also don’t agree with your presumption that waffling people are scummy, since it’s much easier for scum to know alignment, since, you know, they’re scum. It makes me think that the only reason you think it’s scummy is because you yourself are scum.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 21:53 |
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iirc someone (quid pro quo i think) did the math and said that d1 lynches always favor town in small open setup games assuming pure randomness but i dont believe in math
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 21:54 |
Your Personal Muse posted:You certainly are crazy self aware about your posting. I also don’t agree with your presumption that waffling people are scummy, since it’s much easier for scum to know alignment, since, you know, they’re scum. It makes me think that the only reason you think it’s scummy is because you yourself are scum. I mean, I guess? I had a day to look over my posts and could reasonably see the case being made against me even if it wasn't the -correct- case. And I mean, of course scum know everyone's alignment, being scum, but I'd argue that makes the waffling more apparent. Scum know that anyone they attach to is in fact, town, but don't want to be caught trying to push a case on someone who later seems more townie because that will draw suspicion towards them. So they hedge bets, try and make 'reads' without saying anything of major substance (aka 'looks scummy'), or make multiple small reads that read like they're trying to make a case on a lot of people at once. It's all in the act of not letting people know how much they actually know. Sure, you'll get scum who go whole hog in setups and be brazen about their fake reads, but I'd argue those that go that route are more the exception rather than the rule.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 22:08 |
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D1 lynches are good because usually you can get info from the flip and then work backwards from it: knowing person X is scum, for instance, can make person Y’s singleminded driving of the lynch on them look much better (because turbobussing someone not under suspicion is generally bad scumplay).
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 22:16 |
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yeah the problem w/ the d1 no lynch and bowmore nk is that this is basically d1 2.0 because we really got no info about anything
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 22:17 |
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We’re doing a lot of mafia theory and not a lot of scumhunting! I don’t like it!
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 03:05 |
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Says Quid, adding to the conspicuous lack of scumhunting
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 03:16 |
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I haven't been posting all day though pretending I'm engaging with the game
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 03:33 |
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Man I wish we had a votefinder from EOD yesterday. I'ma try to figure out who was where.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 03:33 |
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There wasn't a single votefinder post the entirety of D1? Ffffff
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 03:34 |
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Quidthulhu posted:I haven't been posting all day though pretending I'm engaging with the game What. I was questioning Mona and responded to flerp RE: Gene. What is wrong with you this game? You’ve had this weird thing about me.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 04:12 |
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So...does anyone have any thoughts? At all? I guess I'll ask some questions. Quid, what are your thoughts on YPM after arguing with him on and off for a lot of D1? Asiina, you just kinda went away; anything to add about people that aren't Monathin? Flerp, you've been hanging out on the margins, what do you think of Quid, YPM, Keane, and Monathin? Monathin, what are your thoughts on any given 3 people here?
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 05:20 |
GeneX posted:Monathin, what are your thoughts on any given 3 people here? I'm about to head to bed, but I'll put down some thoughts for posterity after reading back through the end of the first day. - I'm still fairly convince YPM is town. They don't seem to be playing around in any measure of scumhunting, and are grinning people pretty well within margins. - My thoughts on Quid are similar, but slipping perhaps into a little bit more unsure territory, more on that with my actual "fairly confident" reads, which are: - My current gut feeling is that Flerp and Hal are both scum. They've both been on the fringes of discussion but haven't contributed to it in any meaningful way, and have not answered questions/suspicions asked by myself or Quid with what I feel are satisfactory answers, and I feel as though Quid's case on Hal is still probably the strongest scumread we've got. - The way Quid's acting right now has me much more uneasy. If Hal isn't scum, I'd be much more inclined to think Quid is. So I guess if we're gonna lay votes on the table I'd go Flerp, Hal, Quid in that order, unless other people are echoing my hunches on the "Hal OR Quid are scum, but not both" camp.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 07:08 |
Grilling, not grinning, words are hard.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 07:09 |
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Your Personal Muse posted:What. I was questioning Mona and responded to flerp RE: Gene. What is wrong with you this game? You’ve had this weird thing about me. I wasn't really referring to you but ok. I'm too tired to reread and want to watch a Star War. I'll catch up on this tomorrow and do some full indepth reading. Promise!
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 07:30 |
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Quidthulhu posted:Man I wish we had a votefinder from EOD yesterday. I'ma try to figure out who was where. Me, asiina and I think Gene were voting mona, mona was voting someone, I think you were voting someone, and I don't think anyone else was voting.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 15:23 |
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Monathin posted:- My current gut feeling is that Flerp and Hal are both scum. They've both been on the fringes of discussion but haven't contributed to it in any meaningful way, and have not answered questions/suspicions asked by myself or Quid with what I feel are satisfactory answers, and I feel as though Quid's case on Hal is still probably the strongest scumread we've got. LOL quids case that I supposedly was inconsistent on my read of you?
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 15:24 |
Hal Incandenza posted:LOL quids case that I supposedly was inconsistent on my read of you? More specifically that you were inconsistent on not liking Keane's read on me vs Asiina's read on me when they were literally The Same Exact Read, but yes.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 16:04 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:Me, asiina and I think Gene were voting mona, mona was voting someone, I think you were voting someone, and I don't think anyone else was voting. I was voting gene
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 16:34 |
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Monathin posted:More specifically that you were inconsistent on not liking Keane's read on me vs Asiina's read on me when they were literally The Same Exact Read, but yes. So my entire point about tone, etc... meant nothing to you? Asiina and Keane aren’t the same person and they didn’t say the exact same thing or approach it in the same way. I made that very clear in my initial point on Asiina (that I actually did not agree with her case on you) and that I was saying what I said based on the feel of their posts and not the content. But maybe you just don’t get me man
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 16:44 |
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Your Personal Muse posted:I was voting gene You’re a good man YPM
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 16:45 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:You’re a good man YPM Thanks bud your approval is the whole reason I play mafias
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 18:07 |
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Your Personal Muse posted:Thanks bud your approval is the whole reason I play mafias Ditto
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 18:10 |
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Hey Hal, why are you not as gungho about Gene as I am? Gene is basically Mona without the excuse of being a newbie
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 18:23 |
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I think I feel better about Mona today?
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 19:51 |
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Like Mona's posts and reactions feel alright. I'm liking Asiina and YPM as town.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 19:53 |
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Your Personal Muse posted:Hey Hal, why are you not as gungho about Gene as I am? Gene is basically Mona without the excuse of being a newbie Gene is on my list, I think he’s much more suspicious than Mona at least
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 20:20 |
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GeneX posted:Flerp, you've been hanging out on the margins, what do you think of Quid, YPM, Keane, and Monathin? quid feels a lil less uhhhh feisty i think is the right word and its a lil weird that quid popped into d2 with basically 3 posts that said "hey no one is scum hunting" w/ 0 scum hunting in them (i know ypm brought this up but its still weird 2 me). i think im null on quid rn, but his playstyle, while less bombastic as usual, makes me lean towards slight town. ypm is pinging me a bit. hes really aggressive and feels like hes trying to steer the conversation and its giving me bad vibes. tho tbf i get bad vibes from ypm in like every game so it could just be that his playstyle pings me but im getting not good feelings. keane i feel is scummy. he hasnt done much. most of his post histories is his joke phase and then complaining about not being active (his only real case was on mona but apparently he's changed his mind). id like to know who he thinks is scum, since hes made a fair bit of town reads now. mona im not sure about. i think he's really self conscious (which is one of my normal go-tos for finding scum tbh), but the problem is that self consciousness is as much of a tell of scumminess as it is a tell of a newbie.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 20:52 |
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flerp posted:quid feels a lil less uhhhh feisty i think is the right word and its a lil weird that quid popped into d2 with basically 3 posts that said "hey no one is scum hunting" w/ 0 scum hunting in them (i know ypm brought this up but its still weird 2 me). i think im null on quid rn, but his playstyle, while less bombastic as usual, makes me lean towards slight town. You and Hal. Merry Christmas.
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 21:32 |
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god bless ur soul
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 21:50 |
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CCKeane posted:You and Hal. Awwww thanks I needed a new friend!
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# ? Dec 12, 2017 23:17 |
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CCKeane posted:You and Hal. Yeah, I think I might agree with this just as a gut read, although I am also not liking that Asiina vanished. Keane, what about Asiina is making you feel good about her?
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 00:40 |
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I caught up, I've had a very busy day. The next few days are going to be more busy. Signing up for a game was probably a mistake. That said, I kinda feel like many people can be scum. Mona was saying lies D1 and has fully admitted to it, but still feels like self-conscious scum. Quid coming in and being like "oh no, there's no content while providing no content is bad." Hal is always scum so he's probably scum in this game. Gene maybe scum? I'm not sure what the case on him is. flerp and Keane feel okay to me. YPM I have no opinions I don't think. He's aggressive but that's not unusual for him. The only thing I can say with any real confidence is that I don't believe Mona and Gene are scum together. Between the D1 argument and the fact that bowmore died which means at least one person on the scum team is a nice person who knows that it's a cool thing to kill lurkers, I highly doubt it's both of them.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 01:37 |
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Hurmmmm.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 01:49 |
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Don't you hurmmmm me, squidnose!
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 01:52 |
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Quidthulhu posted:Yeah, I think I might agree with this just as a gut read, although I am also not liking that Asiina vanished. Asiina's case on Mona was absolutely brilliant, one of the towniest cases I've ever read.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 02:29 |
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Ok, gonna actually do a reread and also manually recreate the votecount from EOD. I am musing now if maybe Gene throwing out a bowmore poke without commiting to voting him for being the mega-lurker was because he subconsciously knew bowmore would flip town. Hurm.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 02:48 |
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EOD Votecount: Mona (4): Asiina, Keane, Gene, Hal Hal (2): Quid, Mona Gene (1): YPM Not Voting: bowmore, flerp. Both did not vote all day.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 02:55 |
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One thing I noticed during my manually counting & moving votes is that Gene moved from Hal, who he voted as a "poke" to get him to provide content, to Keane, for exactly the same reason. That strikes me as weird when both of them had provided case work throughout the day. I'm gonna look at Gene in a vacuum because I want to see if he provided any case work or if he just was potentially faking "reasons" for poo poo as above.
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# ? Dec 13, 2017 02:56 |