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oddium posted:1570 is barely a third into game, there's time to do anything. also outside of getting plutocracy republics suck, especially merchant republics, what with -50 max absolutism and no estates I can understand that though to be honest, that is partially a none issue by virtue of not actually having access to estates to begin with!
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If you conquer all of Japan as a daimyo, is there any point at all in keeping the shogunate government or should you just form Japan?
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skasion posted:If you conquer all of Japan as a daimyo, is there any point at all in keeping the shogunate government or should you just form Japan? The opposite is true; never actually form Japan. You don't get to keep all your cool Shogunate bonuses like infinite vassals and free generals if you form Japan.
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i want to do an oda world conquest with as many opm daimyo as possible
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AnoHito posted:The opposite is true; never actually form Japan. You don't get to keep all your cool Shogunate bonuses like infinite vassals and free generals if you form Japan. At the moment I have no vassals at all so I don’t know if the bonuses from it are bad or good. Can I make new daimyos or did I gently caress up?
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anyone you vassalize is treated as a daimyo unless they changed it
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skasion posted:At the moment I have no vassals at all so I don’t know if the bonuses from it are bad or good. Can I make new daimyos or did I gently caress up? Any vassals you make should automatically become Daimyo. You really kind of want as many as possible, since the more you get the more force seppuku/general stealing you can do.
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Awesome, time to go apeshit on the Mexicans and teach them the meaning of bushido
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you can no cb the shogun as ryukyu, offer to become a vassal, and then fight the daimyos like normal. i don't think you get the daimyo cb though because you're not officially a daimyo government
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The colors of Dithmarschen and Transoxiana are way too similar so it's hard to tell where the border goes. Paradoooooox! 
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So in my imported CK game, the Renaissance spawned in India. Is that a glitch or intended behavior?
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TaurusTorus posted:So in my imported CK game, the Renaissance spawned in India. Is that a glitch or intended behavior? I think definitely a glitch, iirc the Renaissance is guaranteed to spawn in either Italy or Flanders. Please somebody more knowledgeable correct me if this is wrong 
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Unless India is somehow located in Italy, definitely a glitch.
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TorakFade posted:I think definitely a glitch, iirc the Renaissance is guaranteed to spawn in either Italy or Flanders. Please somebody more knowledgeable correct me if this is wrong Only in Italy Renaissance spawns in Italy Colonialism spawns in a coastal 12+dev province of a nation that has discovered the New World and taken Exploration ideas Printing Press spawns in the capital of a nation that's Protestant, Reformed, or German (so usually central/northern Europe) Global Trade spawns in the most valuable trade node Manufactories spawns in a 20+ dev province with a manufactory building Enlightenment spawns in Europe where the ruler is 5+ in all stats and the province has a seat in Parliament, University, or 20+ dev So basically Renaissance, Printing Press, and Enlightenment spawn in Europe, Colonialism too unless the player nation is a non-Euro colonizer.
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Don't imported games count as mods? I'm not entirely sure but there's no reason why the importer couldn't have different rules based on the CK2 end state.
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I've been told it's intentionally flexible in case Italy is an underdeveloped wasteland. Which makes sense to me.
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oddium posted:you can no cb the shogun as ryukyu, offer to become a vassal, and then fight the daimyos like normal. i don't think you get the daimyo cb though because you're not officially a daimyo government I wonder if I can do this as Ainu. I saw that they now have their own idea group and I want to have my next game be the Glorious Ainu Reconquest of Japan--and Daimyo govt would help a lot.
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The Mamluks sure love picking up exploration as a fourthish idea group if they survive that long.
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TaurusTorus posted:So in my imported CK game, the Renaissance spawned in India. Is that a glitch or intended behavior? Intended behavior. You can mod the converter, but by default it will create a modded set for institution spawns that removes the Italy limitation on Renaissance
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Poil posted:The Mamluks sure love picking up exploration as a fourthish idea group if they survive that long. Ottomans too if they get Red Sea access earlyish
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Pellisworth posted:Ottomans too if they get Red Sea access earlyish
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Kaza42 posted:Intended behavior. You can mod the converter, but by default it will create a modded set for institution spawns that removes the Italy limitation on Renaissance Neat, really helped me gently caress Europe proper, as is only right.
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Pellisworth posted:Only in Italy Enlightenment can definitely spawn outside Europe. I've had it spawn in Persia recently. edit: In an unmodded, non-transferred game Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Imported games base institutions entirely on development and not on geographical region to reflect the potential changes. It’s a good change and you can mod it more by comparing your modded institutions file to the base game if you want.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Enlightenment can definitely spawn outside Europe. I've had it spawn in Persia recently. As Bharat it spawned for me in my Nicaragua CN, maybe because I had built universities in every one of its 3 dev provinces.
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Dec 14, 2017 23:46
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Poil posted:I wonder if there's a sneaky modifier for the nation that controls that area. no, but there is a weight for nations with coastal provinces. and also 2x for kurland ??
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Yeah, double-checking again, being in Europe is only necessary for only one of the three different ways to spawn the Enlightenment (20 dev provinces and a ruler with at least one stat being 5 or higher). The other two ways, having a parliament and having universities, do not require having any European provinces.
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oddium posted:no, but there is a weight for nations with coastal provinces. and also 2x for kurland ?? It’s historical! The Duchy of Courland repeatedly attempted to colonize Trinidad & Tobago and also once colonized the Gambia River in the second half of the 17th century. I guess the weight is just because Courland hardly ever shows up in game anyway, might as well give it a decent shot at doing something interesting before it gets devoured.
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oddium posted:no, but there is a weight for nations with coastal provinces. and also 2x for kurland ??
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Ming sometimes takes Exploration, then you end up with truly absurd tributary spread.
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I've seen a Japanese Baja California quite a few times.
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what you were seeing was me establish Neo Tokyo in every single japan game i've done
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It should keep the Central Americans safe if it happens early enough.
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Killian takes us through the greatest challenge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpV3YtmyzfI
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oddium posted:i want to do an oda world conquest with as many opm daimyo as possible oda does it again......
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I really wanted to do a Christian Ottomans run just to see what happens. What is the easiest way to pull off a conversion and join the happy party of European Personal unions and Royal mrriages?
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Check which of your christian provinces will produce Christian and not Separatist rebels, drop a missionary on one that either won't ever convert or will convert very slowly. Then piss them off even more by decreasing the province's autonomy. Maybe do something to tank your stability if the opportunity comes up and it won't cause too many undesired rebels. Then just let the religious rebels take whatever they need to convert you.
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Mr. Fowl posted:Check which of your christian provinces will produce Christian and not Separatist rebels, drop a missionary on one that either won't ever convert or will convert very slowly. Then piss them off even more by decreasing the province's autonomy. Maybe do something to tank your stability if the opportunity comes up and it won't cause too many undesired rebels. Then just let the religious rebels take whatever they need to convert you. You don’t need to have a province that will never convert on its own, as long as it will spawn religious zealots you can plunk the missionary down and then set missionary maintenance to 0. He will never accomplish anything but the locals will still get pissed off. This also saves you the 12 bucks a year or whatever it is.
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If you have the estate DID, give every possible [preferred form of Christianity] province to the dhimmi, wait a year, then piss them off and revoke them all (revoking a province from a disloyal estate instantly provokes a revolt.) This is why it's gotten WAY more annoying to do coptomans, because you used to be able to threaten war for Coptic cores day 1. If you're so inclined, do it while at war with an OPM so they don't force religion until literally the entire country has been converted instead of needing to convert a bunch of poo poo yourself after they finally force it.
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skasion posted:If you conquer all of Japan as a daimyo, is there any point at all in keeping the shogunate government or should you just form Japan? You should form Japan, because not doing it is goofy gamey poo poo, and all good people will judge you. Same applies to the HRE vassal swarm.
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