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smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

FailureToReport posted:

Easily game of the decade. Easily has 100 hours of good writing.

There was more emotion provoking gameplay in random obscure side quests you might never come across while playing the game in Witcher 3 than many many many titles have throughout their entire campaign. The Witcher 3 was nonstop incredible.

Horizon Zero Dawn easily beats The Witcher's tired Swords and Sorcery schtick for storyline, and the combat is far better too

Edit: Festive taxxe

smellmycheese fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Dec 17, 2017

# ? Dec 17, 2017 11:39

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:33

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Somebody please explain the discovery process in the US, specifically in this state, how you know when it will start, what's involved and what CIG can possibly do to slow/delay it.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 11:41

Mne nravitsya: Jul 14, 2017

Somehow, after 5 days of travelling through three countries, multiple airports, timezones, flights, layovers, little sleep, and too much strange Nordic and Slavic alcohol I have finally caught up in the thread. I read every single post, and am not a �filthy skipper� like some goons.

Now i�m going to walk outside and just stare out across the horizon for a while. Full of emptiness and a peacefull, satisfied feeling that: Derek Smart was finally right......

# ? Dec 17, 2017 11:41

thatguy: Feb 5, 2003

AP posted:

Somebody please explain the discovery process in the US, specifically in this state, how you know when it will start, what's involved and what CIG can possibly do to slow/delay it.

You'll know it's started because I'll be posting :lol:

a lot in this thread.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 11:47

reverend crabhands: Feb 3, 2016

Dusty Lens posted:

Imagining owning yourself so hard that now you're owned by someone else.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 11:55

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

Toblakai posted:

For me the perfect combination of story and gameplay was Baldurs Gate II. 280 hours and this in year 2000. Good times.

For me Baldurs Gate was where RPGs went wrong. The pausable real time was far too clunky for my tastes and has been in isometric games ever since. There's probably too much of the table top gamer in me to like a party based RPG that isn't fully turn-based with hexes or grids.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:05

Wuxi: Apr 3, 2012

thatguy posted:

You'll know it's started because I'll be posting a lot in this thread.

So it started years ago?

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:11

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

reverend crabhands posted:

Just because I keep seeing this argument crop up, that SC and SQ42 is one game therefor CIG don't owe Crytek another license...

Here is Ben Lesnick to explain it : https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/42uni8/why_is_star_citizen_being_split_from_squadron_42/czd8f1o/?st=jbamkw75&sh=a02a99b1

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:11

alf_pogs: Feb 15, 2012

every word these incompetent buffoons have spouted will help tighten the judicial noose

its kind of amazing. beautiful in a way

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:16

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

My only fear at this point is that CIG and its cult do what it always has, and that is spew up such a gigantic amount of word salads that even these lawyers just go: "gently caress reading all this poo poo, let's just settle this!" in the end. It's a surprisingly effective defense mechanism and allows poo poo like Ben's pedo jokes, racism and creepy stalker behavior to be completely forgotten amidst the insanity.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:29

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

AP posted:

Somebody please explain the discovery process in the US.

First, the Vikings come.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 12:38

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

People were using the "They are the same game, they run in the same client, its just a game mode" excuse somewhere else and someone replied " Yeah sure then explain how they were able to put the SQ42 assets and IP on the line for the coutts loan and not all of SC" and that rightly shut them up. The only line of defense (heh) that they can use is that in reality CIG put all of the games on the line for the loan, which meant they lied to their cultist and that coutts valued the entire project for a few million dollars.

Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Dec 17, 2017

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:28

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

CrazyLoon posted:

My only fear at this point is that CIG and its cult do what it always has, and that is spew up such a gigantic amount of word salads that even these lawyers just go: "gently caress reading all this poo poo, let's just settle this!" in the end. It's a surprisingly effective defense mechanism and allows poo poo like Ben's pedo jokes, racism and creepy stalker behavior to be completely forgotten amidst the insanity.

Word salad is money salad to a law firm. No problem there.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:32

Toops: Nov 5, 2015; -find mood stabilizers
-also,

alf_pogs posted:

every word these incompetent buffoons have spouted will help tighten the judicial noose

its kind of amazing. beautiful in a way

It�s like an industrial-sized fail capacitor that�s been storing up Coulombs and Coulombs of fail charge for years. Sooner or later that baby was bound to discharge.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:32

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Sarsapariller posted:

Witcher 3 is my personal Game Of The Past 5 Years Or So, and I think the writing is what puts it there. The open world is really well done and feels alive, the npc's are just mind bogglingly detailed, and the mechanics are snappy and responsive. But mechanically it doesn't do anything that you won't see in an Assassin's Creed or a Far Cry title. It's the writing that propels it over the top. And that is in spite of some obvious limitations in the game's conversation engine. While much more robust than, say, Mass Effect Andromeda's, after 100 hours you're still going to notice when a cutscene is using the default conversation animations. But the stories are so good you won't care. The bloody baron quest? The mission with Yenn that ends on top of a mountain, fighting a djinn on half a boat? The return to Crookback Bog? All of Hearts of Stone, all of Blood and Wine? If you've played through you know what I'm talking about.

The thing about Witcher 3 is that the level of its writing barely rises above the level of pulp fantasy novel, with a sprinkling of commentary on the human condition. That isn't a criticism! Video games by and large do not rise to that level. That's because they have to involve player agency, and it's really hard to tell a deep and engaging story when it has to branch out in a zillion directions based on choices. Usually you have to make a visually cheaper game to more rapidly produce content (Undertale), or you have to tell a rigid story and not let the player deviate (Spec Ops), or you have to tell a bland story where none of the choices really change anything and the characters don't matter because the player may never even encounter them (Every Bethesda title ever). Witcher 3 manages to walk the thinnest of lines, railroading the player through the arc of several interesting and engaging stories while still giving the impression that your choices really change where things are going. You can actually gently caress up in Witcher and not get the best outcomes for everyone. You can miss whole subplots and characters! That's a risk you have to run, for your choices to matter.

I played witcher 1 and it was like pulling teeth,i've been told mixed stories of how w2 is even worse :[ drat i want to play w3 cause i've heard good things about it.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:44

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/210291054?t=09m08s

:gary:

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:45

Enchanted Hat: Aug 18, 2013; Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

I can probably do it, if I ever get a doctor and my insurance to OK taking a look into my throat to see what's wrong with my voice. I used to make a fair chunk of my living by singing. Anyway, it got totally overlooked, so either it's bad, or people don't recognize it. Either way, it's probably not worth recording.

Please do, that'd be amazing :allears:

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:53

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I played witcher 1 and it was like pulling teeth,i've been told mixed stories of how w2 is even worse :[ drat i want to play w3 cause i've heard good things about it.

I only played the third, and didn't feel like I was missing out on much of the backstory. I bet there's plenty of good plot summaries of the first two games out there if you really want to know.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 13:55

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

For me, Witcher 3 almost ruined RPGs, as the experience was level above anything else I've ever played. I think it's a combination of so many great elements coming together: world, story, atmosphere, voice-acting, audio, graphics and pacing. Andrzej Sapkowski's fantastic characters and universe are certainly a very big part of the reason it's such a great game, and he deserves a lot of praise (the books are great, although I've been told the english translation doesn't do the original prose full justice), but impressively CD Projekt Red managed to adapt and tweak these to fit the medium of an RPG computer game. Choices matter and where it doesn't the tracks are very well-hidden. Novigrad is a marvel of level/zone design, even it does suffer from quite a bit of nonsensical architecture (take a look at basically every single portcullis, and consider where the gate goes when it's retracted). There are so many small stories in the world, and the whole thing is just oozing (central) European folklore. The classic fantasy elements, which are more prominent in the books, have less limelight and the violent, tragic, vengeful themes of folklore are wonderfully dominant.

Interestingly, it was sheer development hell for the team working on it, and it almost bankrupted the company. But it's also a testament that manual creation of content is king, whereas automation and procgen still tend to yield boring and janky games.

I don't envy the team working on Cyberpunk 20XX. They are trying to follow on what is one of the best games ever, and I'm pretty sure even if it's a good game, they'll need insane amounts of luck, talent, leadership and hard work to replicate their success. And success tends to work against that happening.

TL;DR - play Witcher 3, have great fun, ruin your enjoyment of story-based games forever.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:04

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

I love the "I'm not in a cult, YOU'RE in a cult!" response. It's the perfect amalgamation of self delusion, sunk cost fallacy, and deflection.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:04

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

I've got to read a further 80 pages but it looks like the wolf finally turned up, eh boy?

Gunna be a different kinda crying soon that's for sure

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:05

Dusty Lens: Jul 1, 2015; All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I love the "I'm not in a cult, YOU'RE in a cult!" response. It's the perfect amalgamation of self delusion, sunk cost fallacy, and deflection.

The best part is that it's so obvious because we're not in a cult, they're in a cult.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:06

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Golli posted:

SCENE: Interior bedroom - daytime - drawers askew -

CHRIS and SANDI

SANDI: WHERE'S THE FUCKIN BUG OUT BAG CHRIS?!

CHRIS: I...I gave it to the bugsmashers! I'm sorry, we were dying for content, we needed something to show them, please, please

SANDI: *screams wildly*

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:08

Enchanted Hat: Aug 18, 2013; Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

I tried Witcher 1 and I just couldn't get into it because the setting was so brown and gritty and I thought Geralt was bland and terrible. Is the tone of the Witcher 3 significantly different? If so, I'll have to pick it up.

Toblakai posted:

For me the perfect combination of story and gameplay was Baldurs Gate II. 280 hours and this in year 2000. Good times.

Goodpostin'

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:08

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

Mr.Tophat posted:

I've got to read a further 80 pages but it looks like the wolf finally turned up, eh boy?

Gunna be a different kinda crying soon that's for sure

Fear not, take goonheart, the cries of "Wolf!" have only fallen silent to be replaced by cries of "Wolfpack!". This wolf of litigation and injuction most severe is but the harbinger of the true apocalyptic wolfpack of the ELE. Two weeks. More wolves. Wait and see. It's been called.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:09

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Klyith posted:

Doesn't work at all because Crytek could file the lawsuit at any time. A year earlier and CIG would have had a dark cloud over your fundraising when there were still millions rolling in. A year from now and there'd be a whole lot of awkwardness over where the gently caress is the game, why aren't you showing anything?

For the "not idiots" theory to hold water they'd have to be secretly in cahoots with Crytek and have them ready and waiting to file the lawsuit at just the right moment. That would be when the money is starting to taper off, and right before or after delivering something that maybe could justify halting refunds as a "minimum viable product". And then you clear out all the money with big legal fees, a big settlement , and any other way for money to disappear in that type of chaos.

To get even more money you might use your worthless game as collateral for a big bank loan, just so you'd have more money in the account to get scooped up in the scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FefhMk2HDNg

All of this. SC doesn�t get to walk away.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:13

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Wuxi posted:

So it started years ago?

1k post/day appears to be the peak. When that happens, we have the memos...

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:15

reverend crabhands: Feb 3, 2016

AP posted:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/210291054?t=09m08s

It's cool when the streamers laugh about it.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:17

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

I played witcher 1 and it was like pulling teeth,i've been told mixed stories of how w2 is even worse :[ drat i want to play w3 cause i've heard good things about it.

Do yourself a favor and play it over christmas.

Drowners are a sidestep and a slash. Use everything to your advantage. Storytelling is superb, although you will spend a couple of cutscenes maybe wishing you picked the other option. But overall it�s a beautiful experience that just beat out mass effect 2 for me.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:19

spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Enchanted Hat posted:

I tried Witcher 1 and I just couldn't get into it because the setting was so brown and gritty and I thought Geralt was bland and terrible. Is the tone of the Witcher 3 significantly different? If so, I'll have to pick it up.

I never played witcher 1 or 2.

I bought witcher 3 because I needed an RPG fix. Holy poo poo, it's an amazing game.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:20

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

Klyith posted:

To get even more money you might use your worthless game as collateral for a big bank loan, just so you'd have more money in the account to get scooped up in the scam.

You had me considering it a (farfetched) possibility until this. Not that I rule out lawyers assisting with mock litigation to funnel money around - but they'd know every detail, and while they'd be perfectly fine with grabbing backer/investor money, it's not worth it to a major Wall Street law firm to piss off Coutts, and by extension the RBS behemoth from which this financial tentacle extends. Whatever they'll make on this case is peanuts compared to the regular money from RBS and subsidiaries.

To be honest, I think the Coutts loan is a trivial detail in this story, and got blown out of proportion because some of the paperwork was public. Having to put up everything as collateral is a completely normal way to get a good deal on interest. Collateral and credit do not need to match in value, and in fact rarely do.

But even disregarding this part, I don't think it's a conspiracy. They could get much cheaper lawyers for a mock lawsuit with the same result, if that's what they wanted.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:32

Dusty Lens: Jul 1, 2015; All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

spacetoaster posted:

I never played witcher 1 or 2.

I bought witcher 3 because I needed an RPG fix. Holy poo poo, it's an amazing game.

Same. 1/2 is not necessary.

That the game is excellent is, by this point, a matter of public record. I wanted to take a moment to address the richness of the game's sidequests. Somewhere back there a fellow mentioned that the lonely lighthouse encounter in Skyrim is the kind of thing they look for in these sorts of games. Dude.

What truly elevated Witcher 3 in my books was the shocking richness of the simple roam around blue collar stab monsters and deal with humans aspect. Every little burg scattered across the map feels like it has a page torn from some awful Polish fairytale tacked to the notice board and every other encounter will leave you feeling conflicted. The game's main campaign is fantastic and has a lot of heart. But gosh darn if I didn't enjoy simply roaming Skellige on horseback dealing with all of the terrible people hiring me to take care of the problems they created.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:32

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Dusty Lens posted:

The best part is that it's so obvious because we're not in a cult, they're in a cult.

Amen.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:33

Dusty Lens: Jul 1, 2015; All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

I was gonna make a joke about Fallout 4 but the problem with telling jokes about Fallout 4 is that as soon as people know what the subject is they already know the punchline.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:33

Mr.Tophat: Apr 7, 2007; You clearly don't understand joke development

Daztek posted:

Dulce et decorum est pro venatione

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:34

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

AP posted:

Somebody please explain the discovery process in the US, specifically in this state, how you know when it will start, what's involved and what CIG can possibly do to slow/delay it.

Firstly CIG will print every page of this thread, archived or otherwise

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:35

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

PederP posted:

You had me considering it a (farfetched) possibility until this. Not that I rule out lawyers assisting with mock litigation to funnel money around - but they'd know every detail, and while they'd be perfectly fine with grabbing backer/investor money, it's not worth it to a major Wall Street law firm to piss off Coutts, and by extension the RBS behemoth from which this financial tentacle extends. Whatever they'll make on this case is peanuts compared to the regular money from RBS and subsidiaries.

To be honest, I think the Coutts loan is a trivial detail in this story, and got blown out of proportion because some of the paperwork was public. Having to put up everything as collateral is a completely normal way to get a good deal on interest. Collateral and credit do not need to match in value, and in fact rarely do.

But even disregarding this part, I don't think it's a conspiracy. They could get much cheaper lawyers for a mock lawsuit with the same result, if that's what they wanted.

This is a common view of lawyers, but really there�s this whole regulatory structure that can stop you working in a given state after an ethics investigation. Conspiracies are hard, mainly because the people pre-disposed to the aren�t the most reliable people, and ethics investigations aren�t a joke.

Reality is fairly mundane, and lawsuits are boring. Some people have a weird view of what these things are about because hollywood.

Remember that we don�t know the full details of the Coutts loan, yet.

# ? Dec 17, 2017 14:38