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How much money do you spend on this game?
This poll is closed.
Thar she blows ($300/mo.) 9 5.52%
We got our hooks in 'em ($100-$300/mo.) 11 6.75%
They's taking the bait! ($20-100/mo.) 25 15.34%
Toss 'em back in the sea. (F2P - $20/mo.) 118 72.39%
Total: 163 votes
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PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!




Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP91_mCYThQ

Final Fantasy Brave Exvius is a mobile F2P RPG from Square-Enix and the makers of Brave Frontier. Released Globally in the summer of 2016, and in Japan 8 months before that. It shares some minor similarities with Final Fantasy Record Keeper but it's mostly Brave Frontier with a huge coating of Final Fantasy. Using given story characters and heroes from classic FF games you form a 5-man squad to run through dungeons, fight super bosses, and even other player teams in an Arena. Your story is standard Final Fantasy fare with an evil force destroying crystals, but the music is really good. Some of the art, specifically the animated backgrounds are really quite beautiful if you stop to pay attention to them. Some of the sprites are better than others, and some have some very fun and enjoyable animations. Combat should feel right at home to fans of the FF series, particularly of the Nintendo era.

This thread is focused on the Global version of the game but there are some goons that play on the JP version as well.

Gameplay



Every 5 minutes you get 1 NRG, which is the stamina that you’ll spend to play most of the content. This is pretty standard with most mobile games and yes you can spend premium currency to refresh your NRG to your max, and also buy refreshes from bundles which is helpful for new players as you can extend over your max. Similarly, you have a rank which determines your maximum NRG level, as you complete content you’ll gain EXP that will increase your rank. Like many other games of its type, Exvius has daily login rewards, daily quests that reward a bit of Lapis (premium currency), and a constantly revolving door of events.

There are three areas where you’ll be spending your time playing the game:

1) Story dungeons, towns and explorations. Dungeons consists of sequential battles with no break in between. Explorations are open areas where you wander around, find hidden treasure, and fight enemies in random battles. In both cases at the end of an exploration, or at the end of a dungeon there will be a battle with a boss during which you’ll need to employ more skills and tactics using your party’s abilities to win. As you get further into the story mode, bosses can become very challenging however. Towns do not consume NRG to visit and are essentially Explorations without battles. NPCs in both explorations and towns can offer quests which may have you retreading an exploration to fight a hidden enemy, delivering an item to someone, or killing a certain number of a specific enemy; some quests have very nice rewards and are worth doing.

2) The Vortex: This is an area with limited time dungeons(including Raids), limited time explorations and the ‘Chambers’. Just about every week there is something new, or something old brought back, in the Vortex. These can be event dungeons based on a specific FF game, a unique series of battles that tells a side story in the Exvius world, or even a Raid where players kill a boss repeatedly earning more and more raid currency as the kill count rises. Also in the Vortex are the ‘Chambers’. There are two types of Chambers: The Chamber of the Fallen(aka Trials) where you’ll fight very difficult bosses for very good gear and rewards, and the Chambers of Desires which you can open 1 during a 24 hour period and will reward with you a variety of things such as awakening mats to raise the star level of your characters, ability awakening mats which allow you to increase certain abilities of characters(aka Enhancement), or just generally helpful things like Gil(the non-premium currency) or EXP.

3) The Arena is an area that does not use NRG but is instead participated in using orbs. These orbs regenerate at 1/hour and max at 5 no matter your rank. The arena has two parts, the primary arena is where you’ll match your team up against other player’s teams. The other team is automated and it’s entirely random what they do, but you’ll get to choose your attacks. The other section of the arena is the Coliseum where you’ll fight your way through harder and harder monsters getting rewards at each plateau.



What is combat like?
Combat is typical turn based FF style combat. When it’s your turn, choose an action for each character, resolve the actions in whatever order you like, and then watch and see what the enemy does: repeat until one side is dead. There are obviously some more nuances to combat than this, but If you actually like combat in the FF games when it’s more about using a variety of different party configurations and skills to win, then this game is for you.



This sounds awesome, what’s the catch?

Like most mobile games everything is free to a point. There is only a single character locked behind a paywall so that’s not too bad, but almost every other character is attained completely randomly. Each character has a base rarity ranging between 3★-5★ for premium characters and 1★-3★ for “friend point units”(these are all garbage outside their TMs). When you pull a character from the premium pool you do so with the following odds: 78% of your draws will be a 3★ character, 19% will be a 4★ character, and only 3% of them will be a 5★ character. I’ll bet you can guess which ones are the best. This means that if your favorite character is one of the rare (5★ base) characters, there’s a pretty darn good chance that you’ll never get that character as there is no way to purchase a specific character. 6* characters are available for many blues, golds and all rainbows; requiring farmable materials to upgrade. In the future base 7* characters will be introduced and are achieved by fusing two of the same base 5*. This is a fairly recent development in JP so there’s no guarantee the system will be the exact same by the time it hits GL.

Furthermore getting ‘rolls’ on the gacha is pretty expensive all things considered. $100 USD translates into 18,000 Lapis. For 5000 Lapis you can get 11 rolls one of which will be guaranteed a 4★ or better character, you can spend 250 Lapis once per day for a single roll, or you can spend 500 Lapis for a single roll (never do this). However, the game does have a few positives in this regard, first being that there are banners which increase the drop rate for specific characters by a fairly significant degree and the game also gives out a fair amount of summoning tickets which can be saved and used for a free roll at any time.

The other big negative of the game is that there is a terrible reward system for using a unit frequently called Trust Mastery(TM). Each unit has a Trust value that has a 10% chance of increasing by .1% every battle. When a unit gets to 100% you get their Trust Master Reward(TMR) which is typically some of the best gear in the game. This system is incredibly slow through the normal course of play (My lightning which as of this writing I’ve been using very frequently for 8 months is around 35%) and initially forced players to do what’s called “Macroing”. Macroing is using an emulator to have the game autoplay itself on your PC, typically done by players at night while they sleep. Doing this, players are able to send their characters into battle more frequently and thus level their trust faster.

The designers eventually created Trust Moogles which are units that can be merged into other units to increase their trust by 1%/5%/10%, but are typically high end mission rewards in tough battles, or moderately priced event currency purchases. Essentially if you aren’t TM Macroing, you’re characters are never going to come close to reaching their potentials and you’ll find high end content impossible. Note that this system does not require you to spend premium currency but you can speed up the process with it; this is inadvisable for new players who have a lot NRG cap.

So that’s it. If you can handle random luck of the draw in getting good units and you don’t mind setting up an automated system on your PC to grind the best gear for you while you sleep; you can handle the worst this game has to offer!



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PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!


★★★★ IMPORTANT ★★★★★

REROLL UNTIL YOU GET A GOOD RAINBOW CHARACTER

For complete information on how to reroll, click here.
This might take a while (as in an hour or more)

There’s a lot of debate about what units are worth keeping but generally people seem to agree that rolling a good chainer is the most important. Popular chain units include: Veritas of the Dark, Orlandeau, Onion Knight (ATK) Trance Terra and Barbariccia (MAG). However; units like Noctis, Ayaka, and some of the limited time seasonal event units may be worth keeping. In many ways there are a lot of options for units and builds in the game now, so rolling for multiple base 5* units can be better than a single good one. Be patient, use an emulator so you can do a lot of rolls at the same time and sit on accounts that roll decently so you don’t have to give up a roll, and ask in the thread if you think you might have gotten a good spread.

With the release of 7* characters, many previously outdated characters got a boost back into the spotlight but not all of them will be good now. With the rainbow increase and Gumi being a bit looser with the purse strings, good characters are popping up more often so even if your starting roll isn’t as bad as it was before. That said, the only thing standing between you and a top tier character is your patience level; so I really advise you to try and get one.

The list of 7* capable characters, excluding GE ones, in order of aggregated rankings from top JP sites is:

    As of 3/20

  • Loren, Ayaka, Pyro Glacial Lasswell, Aileen, Blossom Sage Sakura, Yuna, Veritas of the Dark, Wilhelm, CG Fina, Queen, Trance Terra, Cloud, Lunera, Tidus, Balthier, Duke, Emperor, Kunshira, Lightning, Lulu, Noctis, Beatrix, Ramza, Knight Delita, Orlandeau, Roy, Ray Jack, Aranea, Delita, Gilgamesh, Rem, Eiko, Luneth, Merc. Ramza, Onion Knight, Swim Suit Dark Fina, Elfreeda, Gladiolus, Dark Fina, Light Veritas, Prishe, Prompto, Ace, Fohlen, DK Cecil, Flame Veritas, Marie.


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Once you’ve rolled a good unit, link the account to your primary Facebook account and this will forever associate them. Next time you reinstall the app, choose the login with Facebook option and it will bring back this account.
Next step you’ll want to do is get your friend ID; located by clicking ‘Menu’ on the home page, then clicking ‘Player Info’. Take that code and add it to the Goon Friends Google Doc, add anyone on there that has open slots (make sure to write something ‘Goony’ as your greeting so people know you’re a goon friend), then for good measure post it in the forum and introduce yourself. People will add you and you can use our powerful allies to help coast through most content.

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Once you’re done that bit of prep, you’re ready to start playing the game. New players should focus on doing the story. The story will unlock a few more characters, you’ll get a lot of gear and crafting materials along the way, unlock recipes to craft gear and helpful materia, and by completing the missions in each area you’ll also earn a lot of Lapis. Which you could either use to refresh your NRG to keep grinding the story or just horde for unit pulls. Check the wiki as you go and make sure you talk to everyone as the Espers are hidden and require you to chat up townsfolk to open up their locations on the world map. Espers are very good and important things, which when connected to a unit and leveled will not only enhance that unit’s stats but also give that unit whatever abilities you’ve unlocked by leveling the Esper. Some of these abilities are very strong, make sure you try and unlock all the unique abilities that each Esper has.

Click here to read the Exvius Wiki Getting Started post.
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There is always some event going on in the Vortex but as a new player it might be impossible for you to compete alone. Ask in the thread and see what units can carry what difficulties. Typically, a top tier unit, wielding the best gear, can solo all difficulties up to and including PRO. Depending on the event, ELT may be possible as well. Check in the thread, ask for advice on how to do the events (what skills to use with what units), and don’t try to go in without a good friend unit because you’ll get destroyed at lower levels and you’ll just waste your time and NRG.

Eventually your units will hit a cap on their level and need to be awakened. The materials to go up to 5★ are available from story missions or from the Chamber of Awakening. The materials needed to go from 5★-> 6★ are not available via grinding a vortex or through story missions. They are available either by purchasing a bundle with Lapis(not advisable unless you’re impatient) or waiting for a King Mog event (Highly Advisable). King Mog events occur every month for 2 weeks and will see you grinding battles in the Vortex and accumulating event currency which can be traded for a variety of things, but there will always be a supply of 6★ awakening mats for purchase.

Other things new players should know:

Do your daily quests, completing 5 of them is worth 50 Lapis.

Use your Arena orbs. They are refreshed 1/hr. Use the first 5 you get every day to do Arena battles against other players’ teams don’t worry about losing, you’ll still get the daily rewards (40 Lapis and 1 Star Quartz are the important rewards). Use subsequent orbs to fight your way through the Coliseum section. The Coliseum has some Lapis rewards as well as some other decent rewards.

Expeditions are side content similar to the expeditions in Final Fantasy Tactics. You choose some units to go do a job, spend some materials to increase the success chance, then those units become unavailable for a set amount of time, 3 to 24 hours, after which they return and either bring you back some relics and different rewards or fail and bring you back nothing. Relics are quite good for crafting a very nice materia but they aren’t something you’ll be able to really do early on in the game. However try to cycle them each day, doing the lower level ones (C&D level) as you can get some good rewards for weekly relic totals.

Go do the story, pop your head in the thread and ask questions, have fun. Don't be like this guy.

PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Mar 20, 2018

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!


Important Links

Wiki - https://www.exviuswiki.com THIS IS YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND, BOOKMARK IT! Exvius SubReddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/ Very helpful for future planning of TMs, awakenings, and enhancements.
Goon Friend Listhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBoE56CzVaq1L8WE4sMeBhkoEByummcaU-8qMIFfZLI/edit#gid=0 Add goons and let them carry you to victory.

Exvius Goon Discord Channelhttps://discord.gg/Jx9b6Rt – If you need immediate help, ask here.

Exvius Macros Webpagehttp://www.ffbemacro.com/ – After reddit drama, the current developer of the macros that we all use and love has founded his own site, keep up to date there.

Unit Build Calculator - http://ffbeequip.lyrgard.fr/builder.html – Fantastic online site where you can build units with many different parameters. Also tells you the expected average damage of attacks so you can actually see how effective your gear choices will be.

Unit Max Damage Listhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QDbQBT9cEAkfWnF7xMjYUpcKKYdtRk9aFQz9V1d6XtY/preview#gid=279899472 – Use this to see what the highest damage rates are in the game. Compared your unit to the best and cry.

Unit Awakening Plannerhttps://pardoman.github.io/ffbeawakeningplanner/ – Use this to see how many of each 6★ material you need. Unfortunately, it’s out of date.

Odds Calculator for pulls - http://ffbe-oddsbitch.danposluns.com/??x=7&y=0&z=0 - Use this to see what your odds of getting a banner unit is over X number of different pulls.

Evasion/Dodge - https://exvius.gamepedia.com/Evasion – Here is a list of all items/units/materia that can help you get a 100% dodge unit. This is a helpful thing to have.


IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Server resets at 0000 PDT. Maintenence is Thursday Morning. Banners Change on Friday Morning.

Leveling a free summon to max and selling them gives decent gil (1★ = 4,400 | 2★ = 15,000 | 3★ - 32,000)

Most of the bundles are AWFUL. Don't buy them. IF there is an exception, it will be posted about in the thread. The NRG packages are alright if you're low rank and really want to keep playing.

Don’t chase banner units. The rates for Blue(3 ★)/Gold(4 ★)/Rainbow(5 ★) characters are 78%/19%/3%, and the chances of it being a banner unit are 19%/4.75%/1.5%

How do I ‘get gud’?
Learn how to chain and finish(aka Chain Capping). This is a pretty decent video that explains how it works. Note that most chainers work best with another copy of the same unit due to how their attacks are staggered.


On top of that, exploit elemental weaknesses with elemental weapons. Keep ATK/MAG buffed. Use debuffs whenever possible; even Imperil and Deprotect, which are learned by many Espers, can increase damage significantly.

I got two of the same chainers but I can't hit 20+ chains, what's the deal?
Each unit has a different frame delay between when you hit the button and when they launch into their attack. Each attack also has a set number of frames between each hit. This is regardless of animation preferences so don't worry if you turned on/off the animations. Most units have a consistent number of frames between each hit, but some have differing numbers of frames which make them difficult to chain, even if the attack itself has a large number of hits. Sometimes this just occurs at the end of an attack, like in the case of Tidus, but other times it can alternate throughout the animation; as in the case of Fryevia.

If you are using two units that are the same, and each is using the same skill, then you just need to press the buttons as fast as you possibly can. In the example linked above, 2 Setzers using 'Red card', to perfectly chain like they do, need to be pressed within 3 FRAMES(not seconds) of each other. Each unit also has a delay between when you activate them and when the first hit lands. You'll want to keep track of that because then you can figure out how long before you'll need to activate your finisher.

HERE IS A GOOGLE SPREADSHEET WITH THE CHAIN DATA OF ALL UNITS THAT YOU SHOULD BE TRYING TO CHAIN. You can use the first tab to match abilities against one another to see how their frames overlay. While it’s advisable to just use a unit with the same frames, units with different frame data can work with each other.

Now, once you've found a couple units that have similar frames, actually chaining them is...well not necessarily easy. If you're on Android you can use a magnification trick to help you chain perfectly, but if you're on iOS you can do a couple techniques(ask in the thread and post what device you're using). However, there is another way. Using macros on Nox/Memu will allow you to chain perfectly everytime, and you can even use this handy website to generate the macro for you so you don't have to mess around with editing the timestamps.

Should I roll for on this banner?

The GL meta is shaking up a bit differently, but not too differently. One thing of note is that Global Exclusive units tend to be very good.
Forums user Varance maintains an database of characters both current and upcoming with aggregate ratings from the popular sites, check it out by clicking here.

A lot of posters will come out and make announcements when certain units, like Mystea, are coming out that everyone should get a copy of. Many users also follow Reddit and other places which run the numbers on how good characters are, and will report that back. I used to maintain a top roles list in this section but really there isn’t one character that’s always going to be ahead of another one in every instance so what you’re best doing is just trying to fill the holes in your team. JP also gets exclusive units that we don’t get, and vice versa. There are also event exclusive characters that don’t make it into the general pool which tend to be rated highly, so there’s not really a point making a list of characters that you can’t pull. In short, I recommend checking Varance’s rating database but mostly making decisions on who to pull for by asking the question “What role does this character fill in my party?”.

I've heard that Killer effects are better than straight ATK, is that true?

Yes, a killer effect is applied after some of the other damage calculations and is roughly equal to 2.34% ATK against an enemy of that type. However some enemies are multiple types which makes them less effective. Killer effects don't obviously add to your ATK total but don't discount them, they're much better than straight attack in most situations. In particular, Trials and Event bosses are situations where you'll want to show up stacking killers.

I've heard X doesn't stack?

This is an outdated phrase that was popularized by JP players coming over to GL. In Global we have some Materia with the 'unstackable' tag, meaning that you can only equip one of that specific named materia. Because those materia could stack in Japan and the similarity of terms, people quickly became confused that similar effects couldn't stack(example: Ifrit's Beast Killer and a Beast Killer Materia), however then people changed the phrasing to say that "different sources could stack", the easy way to think about it is that "Everything stacks, except unstackable materia." Meaning you can't have two Dragon Killer materia, because those are unstackable, but you can have Dragon Killer and Dragon Killer+ because those are materia with different names.

Previous thread located here

PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 16:13 on May 11, 2018

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!
If there are any other cool new links that people feel I should link, please let me know.

hagie
Apr 6, 2004

All sensitivity has long ago atrophied
YOUR RAINBOW CHANCES ARE NOW 3 TIMES GREATER



Just wanted to get that on the 1st page

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


3% versus 1% doesnt sound like that big of a change, but every 33 pulls on average versus every 100 ends up being a pretty significant change.

Shingouryu
Feb 15, 2012
Just enhanced my Cid and that finally pushed him over 1k atk! I'm way behind but that gives me a giddy feeling.

Also anxious to hear how good Noel's enhancements are. I have an enhanced Wilhelm, so Noel would be kind of redundant unless they're ridiculous and the guard crysts are probably better used on WoL. I do have a soft spot for him though, since he was my first five star base.

ZarathustraFollower
Mar 14, 2009



The retro zone bundle that is in the shop now is a decent enough deal. 200 lapis for a rare ticket alone made it worth getting for me.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

hagie posted:

YOUR RAINBOW CHANCES ARE NOW 3 TIMES GREATER



Just wanted to get that on the 1st page

YOUR RAINBOWS ARE HALF AS VALUABLE AS YOU NEED TWO TO 7*.

Just wanted to get that on the 1st page too.

Ratmtattat
Mar 10, 2004
the hairdryer

Just tried Frozen Bird ELT, he attacks first, kills 4 people and paralyzes the other. Good stuff game.

Langolas
Feb 12, 2011

My mustache makes me sexy, not the hat

Thanks to the new enhancements... im really poor. Just sold 200k raid coins to make a few million gil so REM can get some love.

My TGCIDS though :(

Alakaiser
Jan 3, 2007

And the Lord Josh said, "Blessed are those cast away by Belichick, theirs is the kingdom of Denver." (Tebow 1:25)

Ratmtattat posted:

Just tried Frozen Bird ELT, he attacks first, kills 4 people and paralyzes the other. Good stuff game.

I managed to have a Mystea survive by stacking the everloving poo poo out of wind and ice resists, but it wasn't enough to stabilize. This jerk is not loving around.

edit: Servers aren't doing so hot. Wouldn't be surprised to see them pull the game offline.

Alakaiser fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Dec 21, 2017

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!
Got Oldmandu fully upgraded. Now I'm in an epic struggle with this loving ice bird.

hagie
Apr 6, 2004

All sensitivity has long ago atrophied

rabidsquid posted:

3% versus 1% doesnt sound like that big of a change, but every 33 pulls on average versus every 100 ends up being a pretty significant change.

Word-play does not make it really anymore statistically significant.

1/100 vs 3/100 does not make me immediately think “oh wow that’s 3x the chance!”

10/100 or something would be more of a significant increase.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

hagie posted:

Word-play does not make it really anymore statistically significant.

1/100 vs 3/100 does not make me immediately think “oh wow that’s 3x the chance!”

10/100 or something would be more of a significant increase.

Why not just make it 50/100! Make it more common to get a rainbow than a gold!

MohShuvuu
Aug 26, 2010

I eat ass.
What was it that made Tidus a God for ice bird again?

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!

MohShuvuu posted:

What was it that made Tidus a God for ice bird again?

Probably innate bird killer. He can also use throwing weapons a lot of which also have Bird Killer.

Here's a Tidus, Tidus, Ayaka, Wilhelm, Mystea team. Lot of TMRs but not that many base 5* ones.

PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 21, 2017

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!
Glacial down. Gave up on the Ifrit summon somewhere around turn 40 when summon orbs seemed to stop dropping. Took about 10 "attempts" before he left my 2 dps alive (Landu & Agrias with fire weapons). I'll come back with Garnet to get the materia later. I'd also recommend bringing a Bushido freedom to dispel the debuff the little bird puts on you. Super easy once you get past that first round hump.

hagie
Apr 6, 2004

All sensitivity has long ago atrophied

Khisanth Magus posted:

Why not just make it 50/100! Make it more common to get a rainbow than a gold!

Yea I know it’s a slippery slope but claiming that 1%-3% is some enormous rate up is a bit misleading.

new kind of cat
May 8, 2007

Anyone able to friend-host a Tidus with a fire weapon? I can do the same if anyone needs.

How much ice resistance should I be aiming for if I'm trying to 1 round this bad boy?

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
Reposting from the last thread:

This is a Kotaku link and I guess Goons have a thing about them, but whatever, click it.

https://trib.al/k13cjSo

Here's a Polygon link (also I guess Goons hate them too but whatever man, news is news) with the same news:

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/21/...source=facebook

:siren:Apple has just announced that all loot box odds must be disclosed.:siren:

No news yet on the Play Store, but who knows?

Gacha is a loot box.

This is good news for consumers.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

Reposting from the last thread:

This is a Kotaku link and I guess Goons have a thing about them, but whatever, click it.

https://trib.al/k13cjSo

Here's a Polygon link (also I guess Goons hate them too but whatever man, news is news) with the same news:

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/21/...source=facebook

:siren:Apple has just announced that all loot box odds must be disclosed.:siren:

No news yet on the Play Store, but who knows?

Gacha is a loot box.

This is good news for consumers.

But Squeenix won't let them!

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
They will if they want to stay on the App Store...

Scrublord Prime
Nov 27, 2007


Thank you Apple for giving something for Christmas because lol gumi never would. I'm having trouble even getting banner 3*s so I can at least see how specifically I'm getting screwed.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



hagie posted:

Yea I know it’s a slippery slope but claiming that 1%-3% is some enormous rate up is a bit misleading.

It sort of is unless you want an entire team of 5*s right the gently caress now. With the new 6 buck sub thing you can do daily half pulls every day just by doing your daily quests, combined with the tickets they are handing out you pretty much should be guaranteed to pull at least 1 5* a month. A month is a whole lot better than 1 every 3 months.

We are still in the phase where 5* units are still rare, if you want 5* given out like candy then jump in the japanese version or wait a year (if gumi actually starts handing out UoC tickets as often as they do in japan)

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

They will if they want to stay on the App Store...

Final Fantasy Brave Exvius- Now exclusive for Android Devices!

dangerous.hotdog
Feb 29, 2008
Holy poo poo, enhanced Orlandeau is a loving beast.

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!

new kind of cat posted:

Anyone able to friend-host a Tidus with a fire weapon? I can do the same if anyone needs.

How much ice resistance should I be aiming for if I'm trying to 1 round this bad boy?

I wouldn't worry about ice resistance. The main thing is having paralysis resist on your dps. There's a reason he's called the reset bird and once he leaves your 2 dps alive you can 1 shot him pretty easily.

zeesik
Nov 30, 2010
Grimey Drawer

new kind of cat posted:

Anyone able to friend-host a Tidus with a fire weapon? I can do the same if anyone needs.

How much ice resistance should I be aiming for if I'm trying to 1 round this bad boy?

I have one up. Friend code is 087 002 101.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
Was posted in the prior thread:
https://kotaku.com/apple-says-itune...dium=Socialflow

Glad to see this is happening. Someone at Apple is paying attention to the Battlefront 2 shitshow and knows there's a good chance that the EU (and maybe some states in the US, which basically means the US as a whole for them) is going to start cracking down on gacha and loot box mechanics in games.

Plus any game that's out in Japan, China, or a couple other countries are already required to disclose the odds so Apple deciding "hey, you have to disclose it globally or we boot you" is fine by me.

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And For anyone who didn't look at 7* Santa Roselia (in JP, but maybe we'll see her next year), let me introduce you to her base 7* skill, Holy Revive:
(Available Turn 1) 5 Turn Cooldown: AoE 3 Turn Auto-Revive with 80% HP & AoE ~4500 HP Heal w/ 25x Mod split over 3 Turns & AoE ~130 MP Heal w/ 0.1x Mod split over 3 Turns

Why yes I would like to spend the first couple turns of literally every hard fight being with an auto-revive and heavy hp/mp regen. :eyepop:

dangerous.hotdog posted:

Holy poo poo, enhanced Orlandeau is a loving beast.

:yeah:

It's good to see him back up at/near the top of king of chain mountain. Until DV's enhancements come anyways. Or Fryevia. :getin:

When I went to enhance him and Rem I noticed I could enhance Wilhelm. I'd forgotten that we got Wilhelm and his enhancements before WoL got their enhancements. :rip: WoL I might use you again someday though.

Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 21, 2017

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

dangerous.hotdog posted:

Holy poo poo, enhanced Orlandeau is a loving beast.

Expensive, though.

I have two.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Final Fantasy Brave Exvius- Now exclusive for Android Devices!

You sweet summer child. :roflolmao:

CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 21, 2017

new kind of cat
May 8, 2007

zeesik posted:

I have one up. Friend code is 087 002 101.

invite sent. IGN is Lezard.

MohShuvuu
Aug 26, 2010

I eat ass.
Cooking a fire katana but I can put up a Tidus with it soon.

Dana Crysalis
Jun 27, 2007
the title-less

Evil Fluffy posted:

And For anyone who didn't look at 7* Santa Roselia (in JP, but maybe we'll see her next year), let me introduce you to her base 7* skill, Holy Revive:
(Available Turn 1) 5 Turn Cooldown: AoE 3 Turn Auto-Revive with 80% HP & AoE ~4500 HP Heal w/ 25x Mod split over 3 Turns & AoE ~130 MP Heal w/ 0.1x Mod split over 3 Turns

Why yes I would like to spend the first couple turns of literally every hard fight being with an auto-revive and heavy hp/mp regen. :eyepop:


Much like the previous GL Exclusives that were ported over to JP, Santa Roselia is a completely different character. Our version will not have a 7* form because she is a 4* base.

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?
Glad to see Apple jumping out ahead of any crap that might be headed their way. I’m sure a decent chunk of their profits is their cut of all the micro transactions. There’s not much harm from their standpoint in disclosing odds and there isn’t really a scrupulous reason to refuse to disclose the odds of your loot boxes.

Always nice to see signs of sanity.

E: ^^ yeah, while it’s cool to look at power creep, nobody should get it in their head to pull for the (likely) re-released Santa Roselia because of her godlike 7* form. We basically have a 0% chance of getting that unit. If anything we’ll get a different 5* base GE eventually with a similar toolkit. But even then, who the hell knows. They changed Ling, Xon and Reberta a pretty good amount for the JP debut of those units.

Ugato fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Dec 21, 2017

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!
Speaking of Santa Roselia, I was curious how she stacks up with enhancements:.



Not too bad apparently. She's obviously not gonna be top tier with having dual cast and full life linked behind an activation move, but she looks sturdy as hell and her reactive healing should be pretty amazing.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

Expensive, though.

I have two.

Same here, though only one is leveled and nowhere near fully potted. Pulled him and Noctis more or less back to back and they've been splitting Atk pots as they come in - and before that, potted up Agrias, so...

Still, just where he is at, and with only +1 Divine Ruination and no enhancements to Crush Weapon (T. Terra wiped me out of black crysts), using relatively second-stringer gear including Durandal as his greatsword, he's nearly at 1K attack and contributes significant chain damage

Really good unit. Good timing for me too as I just finished some TMRs that are useful for shuffling my weapon and materia layouts around so he can make the most of a katana + greatsword setup without depriving any of my other DPSers at the same time.

I wish I didn't have to grind like 30 T3 crysts to get him the rest of the way enhanced. That just seems demoralizing.

new kind of cat
May 8, 2007

Hmmm...gonna give this a shot with Onion Knight and a Hoemaru. 2 x Fire Tidus doesn't seem to have the oomph to one round. Closest I got was 9%. It could be the lack of perfect chaining or it could be the lower ATK values (I don't have a genji glove so dual wield eats up an important materia slot). I'm a lot better manually chaining Onion boys so let's see how that rolls out ...

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!
Clear off 10 inactives

763,793,980

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

They will if they want to stay on the App Store...

I think the joke is that whenever anyone asks Gumi these type of questions the reply is "Sqenix made us do it." which is of course parroted by the sheep on Reddit because of course Square micromanages a company that runs a bunch of mobile cash cows and tells them how to milk their fanbase.

PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Dec 21, 2017

Langolas
Feb 12, 2011

My mustache makes me sexy, not the hat

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

Expensive, though.

I have two.


Want to go in halfsies on my third TGCid? :(. I gotta farm more T1-T2 crysts which blows

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new kind of cat
May 8, 2007

WELP! Onion Boy takes the Frozen Crown. Friend OK didn't even have a fire weapon equipped, but a Splendor of Fire chain one shotted the Glace. Leaving the absolute boy up as my friend unit if anyone needs.

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