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Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Are there any Gaming™ mice in the 50-80 euro budget for a somewhat large handed palm grip? I got a Logitech 502 and I like this mouse but I find myself reverting to an uncomfortable claw grip when doing tense movements in video games and stuff. I don't even feel like I have the largest hands but I guess growing up using a MX518 made me into a big mouse lover

edit: I've decided to check out Steelseries 300 since it's apparently pretty big

Minorkos fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Dec 12, 2017

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TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.
Steelseries is the brand, not the model. You want to try a Rival 310 for a large palm grip, it's been well liked since release.

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Yeah yeah I just need something to use Microsoft with

Anyway apparently the 300 is slightly bigger and cheaper than the 310, but the 310 has a better sensor.

Would I be wrong to assume that all the talk about "the sensor is at least 40% more precise!!!" is just marketing bullshit that doesn't really matter?

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
So. This post was a long time coming, but then I got blitzed by Thanksgiving, and other stuff, and since FFXIV is down for maintenance, I suppose I should do this now.

I used the G602, and G702 as part of a long-term review.

As I hinted before, I might keep one, I might keep the other, I might keep neither and return both of them.

Turns out, I'm keeping none of them, but that's because the G602, which I liked the most out of the two, is going to one of the stepbrothers as a Christmas present.

If you've used a G402/403 before, look elsewhere, you're not really missing out on anything. The mice are still fundamentally shaped the same, and aside from being wireless, there's not really anything distinguishing the one from the newer ones.

To begin with: I hate the styling of both mice. They are a tapered design, which is wider at the bottom and narrower at the top, which causes a peculiar kind of hand cramp, much as I would get if I was trying to palm a basketball. I've said it before, I am chained to the MX518/G400/G400s design from now until the end of all eternity, because there is a small cliff-like ledge on the pinky-side of the mouse that I use to pick the mouse up with.The G603 and G703, and of course the G402 upon which they are designed, do not, and have never had this feature.

That said: If I had to keep one or the other, I would greatly prefer the G603. It has rubberized side panels, but not the crappy kind that feels like it will flake after use. It feels like the entire side of the mouse was molded out of a block of that material, which improves my grip considerably.

The G703, by comparison, is *completely* smooth, without and rubberization at all.

I do have some good things to say about the G703, however. As I now have two computers for work and play, I really enjoyed having the ability for dual-connectivity. I connected the work computer with Bluetooth, and plugged the lightspeed adapter into my play computer, and switching back and forth between the two was effortless. I still recommend that you only ever use a single battery in the G703, it helps its weight immensely.

At any rate, because my daily driver was, and continues to be the G502, it turns out what I missed *wasn't* the infiniscrolling wheel. It was the ability to scroll by tilting the mouse wheel left/right, though I did also catch myself trying to turn a non-existent mouse wheel clutch off once or twice, hitting a DPI switch button instead. At any rate, I'm reasonably certain scrolling left/right wasn't a thing I was doing with the wheel before I moved to my current 2560 x 1080 ultrawide monitor.

RGB is still obnoxious and pointless. 50 DKP minus to the G603, even though it can be turned off. RGB has no place on wireless mice, wireless charging or not.

Conclusions: The G703 is the mouse I might use if I didn't already own an MX Anywhere and a G502. Both mice provide me with free-spinning wheels, both mice provide me with left/right scrolling, and as I fingertip grip my mice, the presence of a cliff with a non-obtuse body angle feels more secure when I pick mice up.

In short, I'm ruined. I can't not use the G502 anymore, and if you preferred using the MX518/G400/G400s, that's the mouse that will fit you best, even if it *is* heavy like an anchor.

Here's hoping our resident Logitech employee takes this back to his corporate overlords: The G502 is loving heavy. Carve out a ton of that weight for a G503, and anyone who thinks its too light afterwards can use the weights to bring it back up.

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

What color should I be displaying on my Steelseries 300 LEDs? I went with purple since I consider myself somewhat kingly but I think a neon green might be the best for frags

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
If mine was the Proteus Spectrum and not the Core, I’d run red to cut down on the blue light and to avoid lighting up my basement and showing off all the Cheeto dust and anime figurines.

SymmetryrtemmyS
Jul 13, 2013

I got super tired of seeing your avatar throwing those fuckin' glasses around in the astrology thread so I fixed it to a .jpg

Minorkos posted:

What color should I be displaying on my Steelseries 300 LEDs? I went with purple since I consider myself somewhat kingly but I think a neon green might be the best for frags

Red ones go faster, but blue has better thermals and green saves power. Your call.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
White is the best led color

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
The best led colour is turning all the lights off.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

The Lord Bude posted:

The best led colour is turning all the lights off.

Amen. I don’t understand why every manufacturer feels like everything “gamer” needs to look like a rejected Star Wars prop and be covered in RGB lights.

My MX Revolution started having battery problems last week and I am ending up just refurbishing it since I can’t get anything with the same features that isn’t covered with lights and/or looks silly.

I am a man in my mid thirties. I don’t want or need that kind of stuff. I want my computer to look at least semi-professional. Don’t even get me started on trying to find a nice case without a loving window in it.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Djarum posted:

Amen. I don’t understand why every manufacturer feels like everything “gamer” needs to look like a rejected Star Wars prop and be covered in RGB lights.

My MX Revolution started having battery problems last week and I am ending up just refurbishing it since I can’t get anything with the same features that isn’t covered with lights and/or looks silly.

I am a man in my mid thirties. I don’t want or need that kind of stuff. I want my computer to look at least semi-professional. Don’t even get me started on trying to find a nice case without a loving window in it.

Corsair Carbide 400Q

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Djarum posted:

Amen. I don’t understand why every manufacturer feels like everything “gamer” needs to look like a rejected Star Wars prop and be covered in RGB lights.

My MX Revolution started having battery problems last week and I am ending up just refurbishing it since I can’t get anything with the same features that isn’t covered with lights and/or looks silly.

I am a man in my mid thirties. I don’t want or need that kind of stuff. I want my computer to look at least semi-professional. Don’t even get me started on trying to find a nice case without a loving window in it.

Buy an MX Master (Mark 1 or Mark 2), it's the natural replacement for the MX Revo. It is not covered in lights and doesn't look silly.

As far as cases without windows, Fractal Design makes many practical, good-looking cases that do not have windows.

TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.

Minorkos posted:

Yeah yeah I just need something to use Microsoft with

Anyway apparently the 300 is slightly bigger and cheaper than the 310, but the 310 has a better sensor.

Would I be wrong to assume that all the talk about "the sensor is at least 40% more precise!!!" is just marketing bullshit that doesn't really matter?
This issue isn't as much sensor precision as it is the likelihood of sensor malfunction. if you don't play games where rapid-movement low sensitivity aim matters, you'd be fine either way - the Rival 300 can be made to spinout quite easily, and the 310 cannot. It's a 3-year refresh, so it's got much better design overall. It's lighter and has separated LMB/RMB for better click tension

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

kefkafloyd posted:

Buy an MX Master (Mark 1 or Mark 2), it's the natural replacement for the MX Revo. It is not covered in lights and doesn't look silly.

As far as cases without windows, Fractal Design makes many practical, good-looking cases that do not have windows.

I have a MX Master and while it is close they made some very weird changes to it and while it isn't a awful mouse it is a lot worse than the Revo (basically everything around your thumb, the mouse wheel). It is nice to have if you have a Mac due to it having built in bluetooth and the multiple profiles.

I got a Fractal for my server and I agree is a fantastic looking and well made case. I got a NZXT H440 without a window for my new desktop build which I am pretty pleased with as well. Just a shame that there isn't more stuff like that out there.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Djarum posted:

I have a MX Master and while it is close they made some very weird changes to it and while it isn't a awful mouse it is a lot worse than the Revo (basically everything around your thumb, the mouse wheel). It is nice to have if you have a Mac due to it having built in bluetooth and the multiple profiles.

What is one person's weird is another's decent change. I never used the rocker wheel on the MX Revo much because I hated holding it in place and it was hard to make fine adjustments and I hated how the side-to-side scrolling on the main wheel made it very wobbly. The Master's main scroll wheel feels a lot sturdier, especially when middle-clicking. Changing the rocker to another scroll wheel was perfect because I use it as a zoom control in a lot of apps.

The Performance MX, now that's a pile of garbage that I hate, but the thumb button idea that it executed poorly actually works pretty well on the Master. On the Performance it always got in the way because the whole pad was the button and was way too easy to hit, versus the more specific area on the Master that you squeeze.

The back and forward buttons were something I didn't get at first (compared to previous Logi mice) but I got used to it very quickly. I can see those being a dealbreaker to someone, but I'm guessing the redesign is an RSI thing. I pulled my retired MX Revo out of the drawer and compared my thumb movements when hitting back/forward and the difference is quite notable. I have to pull back quite a bit when rocking my thumb to hit the buttons, whereas the Master has a very small side-to-side movement.

The MX Master is also physically larger and I can actually hold and use it without my pinky dragging along the mousepad (I use two fingers on the L/R buttons and switch to the middle button versus having index/middle/ring on top of the mouse at all times), but again that's a personal thing. I also don't miss the finicky charging cradle that the MX Revo had. What I really cared about was the auto-clutch wheel and I can live with differences as long as the wheel works the way I want it to, as the manual lock/unlock was a dealbreaker. Everyone's different though, I can only speak for myself. I would have liked a second MX Revo for home and a new one to replace my work one that was dying, but I'm not spending $300 on a new old stock mouse that isn't made anymore.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Has the DeathAdder changed over the last few years in terms of quality? I absolutely love the feel of it and wondering if buying a new one is worth the upgrade from a previous one I bought like 8 years ago that is starting to get a soft on clicks.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Niwrad posted:

Has the DeathAdder changed over the last few years in terms of quality? I absolutely love the feel of it and wondering if buying a new one is worth the upgrade from a previous one I bought like 8 years ago that is starting to get a soft on clicks.

Build quality is still poo poo if that’s what you mean. The main change with razer is they now have cloud based driver software that requires a login.

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?
What's the hot poo poo gaming mouse these days? I love my MX518 but I'm curious what a million thumb buttons can do for me.

Sphyre
Jun 14, 2001

The answers are Logitech G403 Wireless and nothing, respectively

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

The Lord Bude posted:

Build quality is still poo poo if that’s what you mean. The main change with razer is they now have cloud based driver software that requires a login.

It's amazingly bad too.

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"

Meldonox posted:

What's the hot poo poo gaming mouse these days? I love my MX518 but I'm curious what a million thumb buttons can do for me.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-g703-wireless-gaming-mouse-white/5877912.p?skuId=5877912

G703 - the white version with powerplay option is on sale for $50. Meet Christmas

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
I would warn you AGAINST the G403/G603/G703. These mice have all have the same shape, and different from the the MX518 shape.

The one that is *closest* to the same shape is the G502, but it's heavy as gently caress.

As a second option, I might suggest the G603, because it has rubberized side panels.

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
the g502 is heavy but I think it's still lighter than a MX518 so it should be fine

if not you can always gut it

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Mutant Standard posted:

the g502 is heavy but I think it's still lighter than a MX518 so it should be fine

if not you can always gut it



It is not lighter.

I have the MX518 to prove it.

MeKeV
Aug 10, 2010
I want this one. https://www.unimouse.com

It's non US price is pretty steep though, I'll hang on for some reviews and see what the price looks like in the new year.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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My middle mouse wheel click is starting to bad and I have to really press it down for the click to register on my G602, and I'm debating between just getting another G602 because I have really like wireless, or going to a wired G502 because of how highly regarded it is.

Has anyone gone from a wireless G602 to a G502? Is it worth the wireless sacrifice for more features, better sensor, and better button layout?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Auron posted:

My middle mouse wheel click is starting to bad and I have to really press it down for the click to register on my G602, and I'm debating between just getting another G602 because I have really like wireless, or going to a wired G502 because of how highly regarded it is.

Has anyone gone from a wireless G602 to a G502? Is it worth the wireless sacrifice for more features, better sensor, and better button layout?

I have both but I use the G502 more often. I think it comes down to familiarity and hand and wrist comfort using the mouse. The G602 has some advantages just due to being wireless, but I prefer the G502 for most of my gaming. I'd consider it more of a sidegrade for features than an upgrade, but to me the G502 feels more precise (which may be bullshit based on sensors, I haven't really given the technical details of each mouse much of a look but it feels better to me). That all said, the G602 is on sale for $30 at best buy which seems pretty cheap for it. The G502 has been that cheap before but not since black friday weekend.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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Rexxed posted:

I have both but I use the G502 more often. I think it comes down to familiarity and hand and wrist comfort using the mouse. The G602 has some advantages just due to being wireless, but I prefer the G502 for most of my gaming. I'd consider it more of a sidegrade for features than an upgrade, but to me the G502 feels more precise (which may be bullshit based on sensors, I haven't really given the technical details of each mouse much of a look but it feels better to me). That all said, the G602 is on sale for $30 at best buy which seems pretty cheap for it. The G502 has been that cheap before but not since black friday weekend.

Thanks for the input; the sensor on the 502 is in fact better (1000 hz compared to 500 hz) and a way higher DPI as well (12000 vs 2500). The 502 is on sale for $50 right now so maybe I'll just pick both of them up just incase I don't like the 502 or can't deal with the wire.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

The G502 cable feels kind of heavy (probably due to the braiding) but I don't notice it much at all in a mouse bungee.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
G502 definitely needs a mouse bungee for its braided cable. After you get that, it's all good.

G402 does *not* need one, and you'll probably scratch the insulation of the cable if you do. Or so I've heard ...

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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lol need an extra accessory to make a mouse not suck? Yeah think I’m going to pass on the 502 then.

onesixtwo
Apr 27, 2014

Don't you realize that being nice just makes you get hurt?
Loved the shape of a 502, but hated the cable and mine began fraying and catching. Replaced it with my 602, which also has a dying middle mouse button, but I’ve been much happier with the 602. Wireless is kind of required for my setup now. Should probably get ahold of Logitech regarding the middle mouse button and see if I’ve got any warranty options before it gets much worse.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I run my G502 cable through something like this: https://www.amazon.com/HUELE-Double-Holders-Management-Organizer/dp/B076VV66JT/

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

onesixtwo posted:

Loved the shape of a 502, but hated the cable and mine began fraying and catching. Replaced it with my 602, which also has a dying middle mouse button, but I’ve been much happier with the 602. Wireless is kind of required for my setup now. Should probably get ahold of Logitech regarding the middle mouse button and see if I’ve got any warranty options before it gets much worse.

Yeah I just picked up another 602 for $30. I really liked the feel of the 502 but that cable is LOL. If they had a wireless option for the 502 I’d be all over it because I enjoyed the feel even more than the G903

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

I ended up returning the Rival 300 and got an Zowie EC1-A instead. This mouse feels great. The only downside is the fact that there appears to be no software to fine tune the DPI, so I'm forced to use 800 DPI instead of my preferred 700.

Here's my question though: Has it actually been proven that putting your Windows mouse sensitivity to 5/11 from 6/11 fucks up your mouse movement somehow? A lot of people are saying that it does, but are doing a very bad job at proving it. I need my sensitivity a bit lower than 800 DPI for Windows browsing and RTS stuff. As far as I know, a most FPS games use raw mouse input anyway.

Minorkos fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Dec 22, 2017

Megalixir
Nov 10, 2007

Vanillaware ltd.

Niwrad posted:

Has the DeathAdder changed over the last few years in terms of quality? I absolutely love the feel of it and wondering if buying a new one is worth the upgrade from a previous one I bought like 8 years ago that is starting to get a soft on clicks.

If anything it has gotten worse. The original 2009 release Deathadder with non-rubber sides is probably the best version.

spasticColon
Sep 22, 2004

In loving memory of Donald Pleasance
I saw the G302 on sale on Amazon for :20bux: so I got one (because the most I could spend was $50 and the G900 was still $75-$100) and I think I have a new favorite mouse because I really like the size, shape, and the buttons because they aren't too light. I kept accidentally right-clicking on my G203's hair-trigger buttons which I found annoying. So I went from a G203 to a G302...Logitech's mouse naming convention is becoming almost as stupid as Nvidia's video card naming convention.

spasticColon fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Dec 23, 2017

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Minorkos posted:

I ended up returning the Rival 300 and got an Zowie EC1-A instead. This mouse feels great. The only downside is the fact that there appears to be no software to fine tune the DPI, so I'm forced to use 800 DPI instead of my preferred 700.

Here's my question though: Has it actually been proven that putting your Windows mouse sensitivity to 5/11 from 6/11 fucks up your mouse movement somehow? A lot of people are saying that it does, but are doing a very bad job at proving it. I need my sensitivity a bit lower than 800 DPI for Windows browsing and RTS stuff. As far as I know, a most FPS games use raw mouse input anyway.

I think you'll probably get used to 800?

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
My Logitech G500 right click has been flaking out again lately with the ghost clicks that seem to plague the model if Google is any indication. I've taken it apart a couple of times and did the recommended repairs, in particular cleaning the contacts and using tape to shield against static buildup.
At this point the mouse is getting up there in age and I could probably do with a replacement. What out there is similar to the G500? I think most important to me is the 3 thumb buttons.

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Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




I'm still waiting for the day Logitech does a refresh/update to their MMO mouse. Or hell, comes out with a brand new design.

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