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The Monstervse's naturalistic take means Jet Jaguar is going to be the weirdest reimagiming.
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If only Joe Brody were still alive, he could henshin into Jet Jaguar.
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Dec 1, 2017 02:38
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He's already Godzilla, Ford Brody can be Jet Jaguar.
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Dec 1, 2017 03:12
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Gojira is explicitly the name of a (fictional) minor kami specific to Odo Island. The Shinto ceremony shown in the film is fairly legit - it features offerings of food and sake to Gojira, and a satokagura performed by dancers in tengu masks to chase away the 'impurities' thought to have provoked the attack. Even the stuff about human sacrifice as part of a Shinto ritual is plausible, although based more on popular imagination and noh plays. See, for example, Ikeniye (which can be translated as either The Pool Sacrifice or The Living Sacrifice), a short play from the 1500s about a village that makes annual sacrifices to its local dragon-god by placing a randomly-selected person on a boat and setting it adrift. The point of the film is not that Gojira actually is this kami, however, but that the scientists took the name from the villagers, who took it from nebulous 'earlier' traditions. (And the Americans 'mistranslate' it even further.) The name in-and-of itself apparently just means "the spirit that's eating all our fish". That spirit wasn't this physical dinosaur; Godzilla was asleep at the time.
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Dec 1, 2017 03:33
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Detective No. 27 posted:The Monstervse's naturalistic take means Jet Jaguar is going to be the weirdest reimagiming. And/or Mechagodzilla. Might take a leaf out of the animated series (the good one) and have it be built around a cyborgified/genetically regrown corpse, probably the one where the MUTO eggs were discovered. (which is also pretty NGE)
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Dec 1, 2017 04:42
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Gojira is explicitly the name of a (fictional) minor kami specific to Odo Island. The Shinto ceremony shown in the film is fairly legit - it features offerings of food and sake to Gojira, and a satokagura performed by dancers in tengu masks to chase away the 'impurities' thought to have provoked the attack. In other words, Magma Turtle's real name is Bowser
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Dec 1, 2017 04:44
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That's what happens in Godzilla X Mechagodzilla (2002). They build MechaG around the skeleton of the original Godzilla from the 1954 film, only for it to become possessed. So yes, you have Ghost Robot Godzilla. Unfortunately the movie is pretty meh.
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Dec 1, 2017 04:46
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Gojira is explicitly the name of a (fictional) minor kami specific to Odo Island. The Shinto ceremony shown in the film is fairly legit - it features offerings of food and sake to Gojira, and a satokagura performed by dancers in tengu masks to chase away the 'impurities' thought to have provoked the attack. It, 生贄/ikenie, can also apparently mean scapegoat. I had an epiphany that Chrono Trigger is a Kaiju narrative thanks to you though. Corrosion fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Dec 1, 2017 09:06
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nvm
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Dec 1, 2017 09:32
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Corrosion posted:It, 生贄/ikenie, can also apparently mean scapegoat. I never thougt of Lavos as a Kaiju. In fact, he's closer to The Center, a sentient ancient alien island from DC: The New Frontier. They both even feature psychadellic scenes when someone goes inside.
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Dec 1, 2017 12:30
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Detective No. 27 posted:I never thougt of Lavos as a Kaiju. In fact, he's closer to The Center, a sentient ancient alien island from DC: The New Frontier. They both even feature psychadellic scenes when someone goes inside. Another derail from me, but I think it has more formal qualities in common with Kaiju. Its characteristic attack invokes the remnant anxieties of the Cold War, the remaining ICBMs. Its signature roar is similar to Godzilla's. When I was describing how funny it would be to see someone rationalize the external naming rationale of Gojira, I realized that very scene exists in Chrono Trigger when Ayla communicates to the party, "Ayla's word! "La" mean fire. "Vos" mean big." I think the hallucination part is fitting because it's really not as good as Godzilla in terms of the logical extension of what it does, the size it exhibits... the scenario is interesting but I just feel like it was only worth locating because seeing the word 生贄 reminded me of the less good 生贄と雪のセツナ, which was a spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger. There's a Wizard of Oz/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory style hallucination in the core battle, which I think is actually fitting to how Lavos is kind of a sham Kaiju. I'm still stewing on whether there's a sort of Anti-Christ/Anti-Semetic quality to it all. But Lavos isn't an island, Lavos burrows and is the basis of certain religious imagery/cultural eras. Suggesting it's similar to a landmass is kind of missing the point, as that similarity is really superficial in face of all the other formal stuff. Though the times when Lavos is more of a Chronotope similar to something geographical can be pretty cool. Specifically "Death Peak." The whole time travel conceit is more like going through therapy so it's kind of a waste in ways.
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Dec 1, 2017 15:39
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Well, it's not as superficial as I had originally thought. New Frontier isn't a time travel story. The Center is DC's The Island That Time Forgot. Basically if Skull Island was the monster in itself. now that I think of it. The Center is a secret to the world, so it doesn't have a cultural footprint the way Lavos does. But through the story it does make it's precense known. Batman's investigation leads him to find the last manuscript of a Dr. Suess-like author about The Center. He was receiving psychic transmissions about The Center which made him go mad. I think the implication was that creative types we're susceptible to The Center's psychic transmissions too. It's been a while since I read the book so I don't remember The Center's exact endgame. But what lead me to make the comparison was that they both had hallucination core fights, and that both entities were parasites feeding off of the Earth.
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Dec 1, 2017 16:27
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Are we going to get into Batman Odyssey? I hope so.
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Dec 2, 2017 02:37
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I ain't touching that one.
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Dec 2, 2017 02:41
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Mechafunkzilla posted:In other words, Magma Turtle's real name is Bowser Bowsura
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Dec 2, 2017 18:56
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It's Koopa, please
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Dec 2, 2017 18:59
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Burkion posted:It's Koopa, please It’s actually Big Evil King. Da mo wang coming at ya (I can’t read Japanese so I only know those characters in Mandarin)
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Dec 2, 2017 19:10
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I just wanted to pop in to say how wonderfully apeshit crazy Final Wars is. I don't know if I'm watching a Kaiju film or a Matrix sequel half the time, and it's glorious.
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Dec 7, 2017 22:47
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That movie makes me wanna chant "EDF! EDF!" the entire time.
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Dec 7, 2017 22:48
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My literal only complaint with Final Wars is that the fight sequences are mostly wayy too short. Everything else is amazing.
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Dec 8, 2017 03:35
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I literally do not understand what people love about Final Wars. It just seems like ultra-cynical stupidity by and for people who can only appreciate classic Godzilla through the lens of "so bad it's good lol".
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Dec 8, 2017 17:51
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Zartosht posted:I literally do not understand what people love about Final Wars. It just seems like ultra-cynical stupidity by and for people who can only appreciate classic Godzilla through the lens of "so bad it's good lol". Same. I've hated Final Wars from the first time I saw it and it has never grown on me even slightly. It's like Godzilla vs. Monster Zero except worse and dumber in every way (and they already did that once with Destroy All Monsters!).
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Dec 8, 2017 18:36
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Sometimes i open up a bunch of threads in different tabs and I don't pay close enough attention. I kept thinking this was the MST3K thread because I was reading it as Future War.
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Dec 8, 2017 18:40
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HannibalBarca posted:Same. I've hated Final Wars from the first time I saw it and it has never grown on me even slightly. It's like Godzilla vs. Monster Zero except worse and dumber in every way (and they already did that once with Destroy All Monsters!). Monster Zero owns. Final Wars is a'ight.
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Dec 8, 2017 18:41
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Sometimes i open up a bunch of threads in different tabs and I don't pay close enough attention. I kept thinking this was the MST3K thread because I was reading it as Future War. We need more Godzilla MST3K episodes
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Dec 8, 2017 18:52
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They need to be available through the means by which I watch MST, a website called YouTube Starz has a nice chunk of Criterion branded Godzilla now. It's good to see, that logo, yeah
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Dec 8, 2017 18:55
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Finally got round to watching Shin Godzilla and holy gently caress that was good. I'd only seen The Bad One and the recent one up to now but drat, that was some amazing stuff. I liked that it started off kind of silly until the googly eyes came off. All those departments and ministers and meeting rooms. Also that was the Evangelion music popping up every so often, the drum sort of thing? E: oh, directed by Hideaki Anno, that explains that I guess E2: oh, and IMDB just comes out and says it. That's a great bit of music and I've liked it forever Also also the proper Godzilla roar,that rules Hell of a thing to have hanging around your city though, big loving frozen skeleton dinosaur thing that might wake up one day and be pissed off
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Dec 10, 2017 03:40
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If you want to see another trippy Japanese one, go watch The Smog Monster.
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Dec 10, 2017 05:17
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https://twitter.com/Mike_Dougherty/status/941713031746109440
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Dec 15, 2017 17:59
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I I really want that I don't even know what it looks like but I'll take that right now please
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Dec 15, 2017 18:05
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Dec 15, 2017 20:47
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A different trailer for the Planet of the Monsters anime http://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/godzilla-displays-new-powers-planet-the-monsters-special-preview
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Dec 22, 2017 01:12
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My favorite part of shin godzilla was the whole movie
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Dec 24, 2017 20:16
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Size comparison art is always fun!
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Dec 24, 2017 20:24
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I think the one in the back might be taking growth hormones, idk.
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Dec 24, 2017 21:34
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The 50m crew on the left can take on the one big one.
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Sorry bigass post incoming. I've watched this movie like at least four times in the past two days. Basically, Phi230 posted:My favorite part of shin godzilla was the whole movie  Also, I had no idea the 'coolant' idea has been done before! I'd watched my fair share of the old Godzilla movies my town's Blockbusters had when I was a kid, but I never saw/remembered those one(s). I honestly thought it was a nod to Sandalphon's handling for a generally-Ramiel Gojira. Anyway, my question about the So like, what's up with the, uh, blood? First when it spills/breaks through the Aqua-Line tunnel at the start--is that Godzilla, for lack of a better term, being born? Or his 'first evolution?' (also wait if what's beneath the crane is that "do what you like" message how did it and the paper survive the eruption/explosion it's implied the coastguards and Maki's boat get caught in?) And then, the second shot of him ashore, his gill-thingies sploosh blood as he kinda shuffle-wiggles down street. Just twice. When he evolves into Upright Gojira and there's the extremely weird filter effect, there's some blood-like fluid?--or other bits, like... the red membranous tissue that seem to be at the seams of his skin and inside his mouth?--that is forced out as he unfolds his little T-Rex arms out from his body. When he evolves... does he have to bleed? Is it blood? It looks like blood, it looks like the stuff the characters call blood that pour off Godzilla after the US bomber attack, especially since it seems like those bombs penetrate godzilla's skin whereas the other bombs couldn't. ...but we don't see him continue to bleed. (That's because it like, absorbs things with its origami molecular structure right?) ...okay, remaining questions. Because that being said, there was on retrospect a lot less gore than there could have been, mysterious blood-not-blood? of Godzilla aside. I mean, we know a ton of people died, and we basically see a family with a kid trying to escape a building babby Gojira is trying to climb die, but they're obscured by debris falling, and that's the closest we get to a 'oh poo poo those people just died terribly.' Does Toho have a limit or something to keep stuff PG or something, or has Anno really mellowed out in the 20 years since he had a 14-year-old girl esentially literally eviscerated on-screen  or both. Not to say Godzilla's nighttime attack isn't horrific or without allusions to the burning of Tokyo or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima; I guess I just forgot this part of the franchise?Did Godzilla throw the blue bridge at the people, or was that an unlucky coincidence? He surely doesn't have the dexterity, but there's an odd delay between the explosions and it going flying. And has anyone bothered trying to translate the random crap that one biologist had spread around him? It seems it could have interesting stuff.  I can see Auf der Gw_ll_ge dieser Sinul__" and "meisten Houpt unterschiede" which google is translating as "most of the differences," so it may not be all gibberish. At the least, it's cute someone apparently screwed up writing DNA in English and tried to correct themselves.  This has what looks like maybe Cyrillic or Greek in the lower right corner? And this is before all the international cooperation. Neato. And for what it's worth, knowing this conversation has already petered out, I feel all crossovers are generally terrible on principle, but I feel the only one with Shin Godzilla could work if it was with a universe where multiple dimensions were already a known quantity, as well as mysterious indeterminable, unknown isotopes. Hope Godzilla isn't made of Maso particles.
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The tail in the harbor and the blood is Godzilla's first form, yeah. He's already evolved once when he's Kamata-kun.
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It's definitely blood, it's just Shin's blood. The main form we see, the adult form I guess, is his fourth form. He stops bleeding after he settles into his second form- his first form is unseen, and it is the thing that attacked the underground and bled everywhere. Then he decided he wanted to go on land so he mutated into his second form and bled everywhere until that form matured enough and he adapted into a more hardy third form. Which itself led to the fourth form. The reason why he stopped bleeding ties into a generally accepted thing with all Godzillas- they can regenerate. How or why Godzilla regenerates is generally not gone into too much, but it's been a power of his since the 70s at least. Godzilla can be grievously wounded and then heal that injury in short order. The effects to show it properly weren't really there until Godzilla 2000, and even there we only see Orga doing it on screen, but the idea of it has been present for most of the franchise. In theory that's what's up with Shin's wounds, he just heals faster than his body can fall apart early on, and then heals the injuries the army manages to give him near instantly. Godzilla definitely threw the bridge. It was meant to be a "they're attacking from a distance, so I'll attack them from a distance" thing before he got his beam. For the lack of blood, it's just a matter of scale. With EVA, the human heroes fought the Angels up close and personal. The Angels are also much smaller (usually) than Godzilla is in this film. They're closer to classic 60s Godzilla scale. So there's lots of chances to see the heroes be personally affected by the Angels and what they do. With Godzilla, in this movie and elsewhere, it wouldn't really make sense. None of the humans are up close and personal with Godzilla- those that are get wiped out in an instant or vaporized. Humans are just too small to matter to Godzilla, and showing gorey aftermath stuff would be very gratuitous. Though, that is something that is unique to the original film if you've never seen it. We get to explicitly see the victims of Godzilla's attack and actions, through out the film. The burned bodies that washed ashore and those that survived after the city was destroyed. It's some of the strongest stuff in Gojira and entirely unique to that film and its tone. The original Gojira remains the bleakest Godzilla film, without question. Shin has a very optimistic tone to it with heavy notes of dread. There is no optimism in Gojira. So I guess that would be the biggest reason why. Tonally it does not fit with Shin.
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I'd say Gojira has, not necessarily a note of hope, but a strong ethical sense for the nuclear era- Serizawa's choice is one others will have to make if we're to survive.
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