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Julio Cruz posted:I wonder who'll pick Sano up after the Twins cut him. Yankees or Cubs, if history has taught us anything.
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Pancakes posted:Yankees or Cubs, if history has taught us anything. I think the Cubs are sorted at 3B for a while tbh.
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Julio Cruz posted:I think the Cubs are sorted at 3B for a while tbh. What about RF?
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Julio Cruz posted:I think the Cubs are sorted at 3B for a while tbh. Let me have my Chapman digs. 
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He's not getting cut. I'd imagine a 30-game suspension will be on order, though. Aroldis Chapman got 30 for a situation in which someone could have easily wound up dead, so I can't imagine him getting more than that, with counseling ordered on top of it.
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Dec 29, 2017 22:59
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Crazy Ted posted:He's not getting cut. I'd imagine a 30-game suspension will be on order, though. Aroldis Chapman got 30 for a situation in which someone could have easily wound up dead, so I can't imagine him getting more than that, with counseling ordered on top of it. Honestly I’d accept that as a fan if he complies and is not a repeat offender. And maybe even moves into advocacy/activism. Something tells me he’s gonna fight it to the end though.
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He appears to already be a repeat offender https://twitter.com/MichaelHolmdahl/status/946620730371985408
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Jesus. Welcome to the Rays, Miguel Sano.
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What's going to make this a real fun shitshow is that aside from the usual "WHY DID THEY WAIT ALL DEES YEARS" crowd on Facebook, if you're unfortunate enough to use Social Media with any frequency you've probably already seen the "Well he's a Dominican half-monkey who probably has an eight-year-old's education LOL if you think they can keep their hands off women" screenshotted a few times on top of that*. * Having relatives from far rural Wisconsin is a blast Poque posted:He appears to already be a repeat offender An article I read about this today also claimed that MLB is going to take his "background" into play here, which...that would look very bad for a number of different reasons, not least of which is the implicit suggestion that Hispanic/Caribbean men are far more prone to sexual misconduct than others. I have a feeling this is going to get very complicated before the winter is over. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Crazy Ted posted:Not a repeater in the "taking it to the level of physical assault" sense That we know of. What is confirmed is that he treats women like poo poo, whatever his initial statement said.
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Julio Cruz posted:That we know of. What is confirmed is that he treats women like poo poo, whatever his initial statement said. Whatever punishment he gets is definitely going to have to come with a lot of education/counseling/training attached to it. Likely his forfeited salary donated to anti-violence charities as well.
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The Pussy Boss posted:I dig what they're doing this offseason. True, they are committing a lot of payroll to the pen, but it's not like they were going to sign a top tier starter to pitch in Coors, and anyway they have some promising young SPs already. If I'm the Rockies I'd rather have Davis+Shaw+McGee than pay a premium for Lance Lynn or something. Unless the Rockies sign a FA starter or trade for a starter, the only guy they would have making above league minimum in their starting rotation for at least the next two years would be Chad Bettis. He only made $1.5M in his first arb year. That may actually be the next three full seasons, I'd have to look at the service time for Jon Gray. They do have the extra payroll flexibility to throw that kind of money at their pen, at least for a couple of years.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Jesus. Yeah I was gonna say, if we're going by history for this sort of thing... 
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Right now, the Cubs' rotation would project to be ... Lester / Hendricks / Quintana / Butler / Chatwood, right? Jaysus.
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Timby posted:Right now, the Cubs' rotation would project to be ... Lester / Hendricks / Quintana / Butler / Chatwood, right? Montgomery would probably get the 5th slot at the moment with Jen-Ho Tseng and Butler as the AAA fallbacks. Everything I’ve read seems to think the Cubs have 35-40 million to play with before the luxury tax would become a thing, so as we get closer to pitchers and catchers something has to give with the FA market.
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Timby posted:Right now, the Cubs' rotation would project to be ... Lester / Hendricks / Quintana / Butler / Chatwood, right? That top four is solid as hell though, remember Chatwood is a ~3 ERA pitcher away from Coors. Get Darvish or Cobb to kick out Butler and it's a legitimately fearsome rotation.
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I am definitely fearful of the cubsposting that rotation will bring.
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Miz Kriss posted:Aww I was kinda hoping the Cubs would be able to keep Wade. This makes me wonder, who are the last "top" free agents to stay put? Cespedes and Turner in 2016, but before that? I feel like the consensus "best" free agents almost always end up with a different team (though I could be forgetting an obvious one).
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Pancakes posted:This makes me wonder, who are the last "top" free agents to stay put? Cespedes and Turner in 2016, but before that? I feel like the consensus "best" free agents almost always end up with a different team (though I could be forgetting an obvious one). might have to go all the way back to Holliday?
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I thought Molina was a FA that ended up staying with the Cards. Or was it just a contract extension before he hit FA?
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Miz Kriss posted:I thought Molina was a FA that ended up staying with the Cards. Or was it just a contract extension before he hit FA? He still had a year left I think when he signed his extension.
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Miz Kriss posted:I thought Molina was a FA that ended up staying with the Cards. Or was it just a contract extension before he hit FA? Extension. He otherwise would have been a free agent this year. I don't think he's ever been a free agent and unless he decides to keep playing after 2020, he will never be a free agent in his entire career.
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I dont know what to think about the Sano thing. I hope its another case like Kane where the whole thing turned out to be BS. Its a tricky time to be a fan of anything in 2017. Whether its music or movies or sports. Basically, these celebrities are also humans, and so 10-90% of them in a given group can turn out to be real assholes. I still listen to plenty of Stones and Bowie and watch NFL and MLB that has tons of domestic violence guys, so I'm a hypocrite too.
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patonthebach posted:I dont know what to think about the Sano thing. I hope its another case like Kane where the whole thing turned out to be BS. Its a tricky time to be a fan of anything in 2017. Whether its music or movies or sports. Basically, these celebrities are also humans, and so 10-90% of them in a given group can turn out to be real assholes. I still listen to plenty of Stones and Bowie and watch NFL and MLB that has tons of domestic violence guys, so I'm a hypocrite too. So all these women are doing it for the attention then? 
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iospace posted:So all these women are doing it for the attention then? Where did you get that. Virtually all the complaints about sexual assault are legitimate. What are you smoking? If it wasn't clear I am hopefully Sano didnt do anything wrong just like in the Kane case as id prefer a world where 1 less sexual assault occurred.
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patonthebach posted:I dont know what to think about the Sano thing. I hope its another case like Kane where the whole thing turned out to be BS. Its a tricky time to be a fan of anything in 2017. Whether its music or movies or sports. Basically, these celebrities are also humans, and so 10-90% of them in a given group can turn out to be real assholes. I still listen to plenty of Stones and Bowie and watch NFL and MLB that has tons of domestic violence guys, so I'm a hypocrite too. Kane's accuser withdrew her support for prosecution, which is a very long way away from "the whole thing turning out to be BS".
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Julio Cruz posted:Kane's accuser withdrew her support for prosecution, which is a very long way away from "the whole thing turning out to be BS". Didnt the victims lawyer refusing to keep working the case because the family wasn't being honest with the lawyer? And the whole evidence tampering thing by the family. edit : This seems to be a good unbiased summary from CNN. Doesn't seem like just a he said she said thing. The DA said ""The totality of the credible evidence -- the proof -- does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant's allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane," Sedita said in a statement. "This so-called 'case' is rife with reasonable doubt." http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/us/patrick-kane-no-charges/index.html patonthebach fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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There's this little voice in the back of my mind, possibly my conscience, telling me "this is going nowhere good."
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Pancakes posted:Extension. He otherwise would have been a free agent this year. I don't think he's ever been a free agent and unless he decides to keep playing after 2020, he will never be a free agent in his entire career. Molina is currently second only to Mauer for longest tenured MLB player that has been with a single team.
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My reading of the Kane thing is that there wasn't physical evidence and there was some confusing mess involving an unrelated evidence bag and accusations by the lawyer of evidence tampering that made the case basically impossible to try. That doesn't seem like it proves the accusations were false, as its entirely possible the victim simply had the bad luck (or sabotage) of a circus and didn't want it to get worse. But in the balance of "innocent until proven guilty" and "take all accusations seriously" this one seems like a draw. I'm not sure its healthy or helpful to your argument to wave it like a flag of false accusers. People will infer a broader agenda.
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Tony Phillips posted:Molina is currently second only to Mauer for longest tenured MLB player that has been with a single team. Mauer will be a free agent next year barring an extension and will have earned $218,025,000 through 14 seasons, to his age 35 season with the Twins. Molina will be a free agent in 2021 and will have earned $154,998,500 through a little over 15 seasons, to his age 37 season with the Cardinals.
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It's also worth pointing out that in Sano's case, we've already had several other people speak out about a pattern of behavior involving Sano harassing women, which lends a lot of credence to Bissen's account.
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Yeah, I think Sano deserves a fair investigation but the fact that its such a public accusation, witnesses are named, and character accounts don't exactly present the behavior as uncharacteristic to Sano all does sort of push the scale a bit.
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Pancakes posted:Mauer will be a free agent next year barring an extension and will have earned $218,025,000 through 14 seasons, to his age 35 season with the Twins. What's baffling to me is that neither of them seem like old veterans to me. What the Hell happened? David Wright is 3rd and Felix is 4th on the list for God's sake. In my head Felix is still like 22 years old. Getting old is weird.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Yeah I was gonna say, if we're going by history for this sort of thing... Who was this, Josh Lueke?
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Yeah, I've made the point I wanted to make about just being hopeful that a baseball player didnt do a horrible thing. I dont know Sano and I'm not a fan of him and dont know much either way. Just a lovely year with so many stars being outted as monsters. Outting is good and should continue. Especially with these guys of years of abuse on multiple victims. I hope something happens from NYPD or LAPD with weinstein and he is brought to justice. But anyways, me trying to compare other cases where it seems the accusations were false (or unprovable by law) and Sano just seems to have misconstrued my point. Im going to drop this discussion altogether, dont want it to sully up a good baseball thread. patonthebach fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Tony Phillips posted:What's baffling to me is that neither of them seem like old veterans to me. What the Hell happened? Time is a motherfucker. Yadi is already 18th all-time for games caught and has another 3 years to go. Even if he only caught 120 games per year for the remaining 3 years of his contract with the Cardinals (which would be the lowest other than an injury-shortened 2014 since 2007) he'd end up at 4th all time, behind only Pudge, Fisk & Bob Boone. He's already caught more games than Yogi Berra did and is 27 games behind Johnny Bench caught over 17 years.
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