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maskenfreiheit posted:It’s silly to do. the target of your anger doesn’t get harmed. It’s like kicking the dog because you’re too chickenshit to call out your wife’s BS. . It's more like making a copy of your wife who you have godlike control over and torturing her because you're too timid to confront your wife over minor perceived slights like getting toast sweat on the counter.
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maskenfreiheit posted:They hinted that Your Mother (forget the characters name) plays the game from the invite message plot point. Maybe he’s able to siphon their memory from the full game? That's how to hand wave it, yeah. That he has most of the code ready and the DNA just helps him finish it off. . It's not the best episode to obsess over the tech about either way.
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Callister left me wondering are the cyber police real? If so we have an answer to the cookie question. If it’s illegal he shouldn’t be toying with them. I doubt it is illegal given Jon Hamm’s “training” though. Or was that ok because it was a copy of the owner’s conscience and the owner consented?
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Holy poo poo that first episode was insane. Did they not get Walton back out of the engine? He would still be alive, right?. It probably wouldn't work, but I'd love to see a miniseries about that episode.
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Cojawfee posted:Holy poo poo that first episode was insane. Did they not get Walton back out of the engine? He would still be alive, right?. Once they get through the wormhole, he gets restored along with the Uhura stand in. Presumably all the other people (like the lady from Marketing who got monster-fied) who weren't on the Callister got deleted, which is at least an end to their suffering.
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After watching Callister I logged on to XCOM and retired all my guys named after friends.
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Zore posted:The AI in these stories are real persons for all intents and purposes. they can't really contribute to the economy though
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Fututor Magnus posted:they can't really contribute to the economy though Oh yeah, in that case, gently caress 'em. what
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I don't see Matt Damon in Callister at all, I see a young Philip Seymour Hoffman. I'm kind of astonished at all the "hurr durr it's matt damon but on meth lol". Episode was a wild ride, I loved it. I had a problem with Crocodile though, when the insurance adjustor keeps telling people that memories are subjective and prone to emotional incongruities, then how the gently caress can any of the 'evidence' she collects be legally valid at all? Like holy poo poo. maskenfreiheit posted:What is wrong with you? Disproportionate?! As the son of an incredibly nosey mother myself, I 100% related to the daughter when she hauled off like that. I'll take it farther and say I feel the end of the episode didn't take the daughter's anger far enough. XYZAB fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:they can't really contribute to the economy though
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Season's good! 1. Crocodile – not really getting the hate here. Everything from her killing the driver was because of paranoia over the memory technology. It also made me want an episode on the political erosion of privacy in response to counter-extremism etc. — kind of surprised there hasn't been one already, but it's pretty well-trod i guess 2. Hang the DJ – really beautiful. The ending was kind of a gut punch, going by the logic of the series they each created a thousand real versions of themselves and snuffed them out 3. Black Museum – really solid. I guess the title is a pun? 4. USS Callister – like I said before, it would have been more interesting seeing Daley escape the game. How would he have reacted to still being a loser in the universe where he's god — done the same again, but even more sadistically? Kidnapped his colleagues in real life? Become a better person? Killed himself? 5. Metalhead – Boston Dynamics should be stopped. The director's feed has some nice behind the scenes stuff: https://twitter.com/DAVID_A_SLADE 6. Arkangel – I thought it was pretty good but the others were better  Bullfrog posted:Nobody has mentioned Black Museum's obvious racial / lynching themes yet. Black Mirror's always had good representation, but I'm pretty sure Black Museum is the first ep that's actually dealt with racial themes
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Not enjoying what I have seen of this season so far. Both Callister and Crocodile were entertaining enough and well cast, however: both lack the classic Black Mirror "dangers of technology" parable feel. Crocodile in particular feels like a massive missed opportunity, would have been much better if as another poster said, they ditched the Mia plot, and focussed on this insurance agency. Maybe how they are exploiting the subjectivity of people's memory for profit. There was obviously a lot of potential for an unreliable narrator. I thought the tech for Crocodile was VERY Black Mirror, but the story they chose to tell with it was poor.. As for Callister, it required a bit too much suspension of disbelief from me, and the same themes have been handled better in other episodes. Stylistically it was very good and I enjoyed the performances though. Agree a more interesting angle would have been to focus on the Cyber Police especially as how the law polices VR environments is a current legal issue/debate which hasn't been resolved yet.
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Handen posted:I had a problem with Crocodile though, when the insurance adjustor keeps telling people that memories are subjective and prone to emotional incongruities, then how the gently caress can any of the 'evidence' she collects be legally valid at all? Like holy poo poo. Crocodile: isn’t there the exact same problem with current, actual, witness testimonies though? We all know memories are flawed, but it’s often the best we have.
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Noonsaliwah posted:Crocodile: isn’t there the exact same problem with current, actual, witness testimonies though? We all know memories are flawed, but it’s often the best we have. Yeah was going to post this exactly Crocodile: Eye witness statements are scientifically proven to be unreliable, but still hold up in court today. The actual recordings seem to be much less under the person's control, and as was stated multiple times in the episode, the concept is that they take multiple recordings and create a composite which is much more likely to be accurate. Things other people seem to miss - the fact that the tech being used outside of law enforcement is new so people would not be used to it or even aware of it's capabilities. I would imagine it is not widely known that police could extract memories from animals. It is not the only thing used to gather evidence, just in this case the CCTV was blocked on the stuff on the van not working. If both of those 2 were working there wouldn't have been any need to trawl memories for an insurance claim.
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it's cool that steve bannon played the grandad in arkangel now he's not busy
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"Arkangel"(Helicopter parenting 4.1)& "Metalhead"(Autonomous killer drones) seemed like the only real Black Mirror episodes this season. Really liked them. Both episodes had something interesting to show. "Hang the DJ"(abusing digital lifeforms), "Black Museum"(abusing digital lifeforms), "USS Callister"(abusing digital lifeforms) were rehashes of older episodes that didn't rally add anything interesting or offered new perspectives. Despite that, USS Callister was still an extremely fun episode to watch. Great production values, acting and script. Black Museum felt like a wet fart, worst episode for me yet. "Crocodile"(this is the death of architect Madsen)I didn't even understand what this had to do with Black Mirror until I read about the self incrimination angle itt. Still, very very tenuous premise. As others have mentioned, it's totally implausible that a non-authoritarian state would force you to reveal your memories like that. And if you are living in an authoritarian state you can always be forced to incriminate yourself anyway. There is nothing insightful about stating that. e: I guess Hang the DJ was kinda interesting as a satire on modern dating, I gotta admit that. Reminded me a lot of The Lobster. GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Gaunab posted:Hang the DJ just reminded me of how lonely I am it was a pretty good commentary on relationships and also poo poo like tinder if you've had any experience with it. too bad about the end. Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:"Crocodile"(this is the death of architect Madsen)I didn't even understand what this had to do with Black Mirror until I read about the self incrimination angle itt. Still, very very tenuous premise. As others have mentioned, it's totally implausible that a non-authoritarian state would force you to reveal your memories like that. And if you are living in an authoritarian state you can always be forced to incriminate yourself anyway. There is nothing insightful about stating that. i wonder if the people saying this aren't american.
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I watched the first one and Arkangel and really loved both, but the Space Fleet one was real, real good. Then I went back and watched an ep from S2 with Jon Hamm, and there's a similar "do nothing can't die think it's the real person" AI Hell. Terrifying to me. "Stealing my pussy is a red loving line" should be the thread title. Why would the real Infinity have genitals, but his fake world not? It's so much easier to think of his fake world as a place he can go to jerk off after work, but then Chewing Gum said there's no tongue in the kiss and stuff. Weird stuff. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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because the space fleet show was wholesome.
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I suspect callister crew had no genitals because Netflix wouldn’t greenlight “A Serbian Film in Space”
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Firstborn posted:"Stealing my pussy is a red loving line" should be the thread title. Why would the real Infinity have genitals, but his fake world not? It's so much easier to think of his fake world as a place he can go to jerk off after work, but then Chewing Gum said there's no tongue in the kiss and stuff. Weird stuff. I was thinking about this yesterday actually and it's an interesting little aside that could potentially say a lot about the main guy that wasn't explicitly shown in the episode. The two main ideas I came up with were: -He specifically wrote in "no genitals" in his mod so that the copies he made couldn't release tension with a non-stop gently caress-fest in the downtime. I don't really find that very interesting because it's really just another angle to the "he is awful to these people" aspect which was already covered plenty in the episode. -The "this is a wholesome universe" explanation I think goes to more than just the show (the Star Fleet one, not Black Mirror) being a prudish 60's sci-fi series, but rather that he specifically LIKES it that way because of his own sexual repression. I like this idea more because it adds a bit more depth to his character - he's not emotionally mature enough to really be able to handle sexuality to the extent that his perfect fantasy universe excludes it.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I was thinking about this yesterday actually and it's an interesting little aside that could potentially say a lot about the main guy that wasn't explicitly shown in the episode. there's a line saying he specifically modded it that way, but i'm pretty sure it's this one yeah exmarx fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Did anyone else start off Callister thinking that the captain was a washed up actor, and the original 4:3 was an episode from earlier in his career?
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Arkangel I found this one to be the most relatable. As a relatively new parent, I can totally relate to some of the feelings of helplessness that accompany moments when a child is sick, when I can’t find my child, etc. but it’s the way that the mother reacts that is the problem. It’s hard to keep composure when confronted with the issues which confront the mother, but there’s a very clear fine line between retaining composure and responding to these issues by clamping down. Arkangel enables her helicopter parenting to such an extent that she becomes totally dependent upon it. Just like The Entire History of You, having access to someone else’s sight/memories can be cool, but the vast majority of the time the consequences are extremely dire and will lead to the implosion of families and personal lives.
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So Black Museum As expected was about Black Mirror. Not sure why people take it so literally though and think it's some attempt to make a pointless shared universe, it seemed pretty clear that Brooker was doing a story about how he feels uncomfortable with the people who watch his show just to see the people suffer. Rolo's a storyteller with a museum full of Black Mirror stories, it's just Booker going through how he needs to be responsible with the pain he inflicts in his stories and not just do it for sadistic kicks. I just don't get this obsession with proving they're all part of one universe. They're self contained stories and Brooker just likes putting in Easter Eggs because he's a huge nerd. Fans fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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In terms of Black Mirrorishness: 1. Arkangel 2. Hang the DJ 3. Crocodile 4. USS Callister 5. Black Museum 6. Metalhead (really shouldnt even be ranked) In terms of hatred of the characters in the story: 1. Metalhead 2. Arkangel I just can't get over how terrible Metalhead was. You can't be so blisteringly stupid and be a main character.
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We watched the first two episodes of the new season, but I snoozed our during the one with the architect (can’t think of the title). While I liked the two episodes fine, and I’m always happy to see Jimmi Simpson show up in stuff, I agree with other posters that the plot/tech elements seemed rehashed from earlier seasons. Arkangel I thought wasn’t too good, wasn’t too bad though of course with the monitoring/blocking feature the daughter would be thinking sex was supposed to be like hardcore porn and she was supposed to say those things, since I assume helicopter mom never bothered with basic sex ed. The whole mom discovering teen pregnancy and buying the plan B and sneaking it in the smoothie were pretty obvious plot points and there was no real kind of twist; just ‘helicopter mom butting into her daughter’s life while she tries to assert independence but with technology Though, ending wise, I thought it was a decent parallel to the beginning of the episode with the mom looking around frantically and screaming for her daughter because she can’t find her. I just wish that instead of a random trucker, Trick and his van had pulled up and they just got the gently caress out of town together. He seemed like he genuinely cared about her.
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Callister I was kind of expecting the escaped ship to be blown up by SpaceWeedLord69 once they got into the MMO part of the program. That sure as hell stressed my suspension of disbelief.
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mcbexx posted:Callister I liked that it wasn’t. Because it’s back mirror, that’s exactly what’s going to happen. A San Junipero level of happy ending is exactly what I wasn’t expecting.
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Callister: I don't really get why he wasn't able to exit his game. I'll ignore that he'd let his mod be deleted by a patch, but what mechanism prevented him from even exiting the game? I suppose they needed a "danger of technology" that somehow kept him locked inside an endless void forever so he couldn't immediately get out and start over. Just seems weird that there's no failsafe in that thing to prevent people from being locked in.
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LadyPictureShow posted:We watched the first two episodes of the new season, but I snoozed our during the one with the architect (can’t think of the title). Was she actually pregnant or did the mom just slip plan b to be safe?
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exmarx posted:Season's good! The obvious dark ending is Daley becoming mildly annoyed that his game was ruined and restarting his private server with the same people, probably becoming more draconian and evil on the next go around. I saw another theory that he actually died and the girl would now be facing real charges of manslaughter or murder. So her virtual consciousness compelled her to sabotage the game server and escaped into the game world’s cloud, but real her ends up very likely facing an ugly sentence because she inadvertently caused the death of a company’s CTO.
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Red Oktober posted:I liked that it wasn’t. Because it’s back mirror, that’s exactly what’s going to happen. A San Junipero level of happy ending is exactly what I wasn’t expecting. I still maintain that San Junipero's ending wasn't happy and was in fact horrifying. Like the episode closes on a happy couple then zooms out to rows and rows of data machines meaning that their happiness is just generated and meaningless. They're still dying/dead in the real world and nothing is certain that their existence in the virtual world is real or substantial. This is a theme that Black Mirror played on a lot this season with Black Museum and USS Callister.
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maskenfreiheit posted:Archangel You post in the r/relationships thread, you know that doesn't mean anything on its own 
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ClumsyThief posted:The obvious dark ending is Daley becoming mildly annoyed that his game was ruined and restarting his private server with the same people, probably becoming more draconian and evil on the next go around. Callister I don't see how she would be responsible. At most she did breaking and entering and burglary. Nothing she did would cause him to die. She replaced his little game thing with a broken one but that just prevented him from getting back into the game. The one he used to get back in was his own backup. The only reason he would die is because the game broke and he couldn't exit. If he even dies. I'm sure at some point, Walton will wonder what happened to him and check in. I kind of want to watch that episode again because it was so good. They perfectly captured the angry nerd being mad because his game isn't doing what it is supposed to do. I really want a follow up to see what that crew is up to now. Handen posted:I don't see Matt Damon in Callister at all, I see a young Philip Seymour Hoffman. I'm kind of astonished at all the "hurr durr it's matt damon but on meth lol". Episode was a wild ride, I loved it. It's because he played Todd in Breaking Bad, a show about meth. He sort of looks like Matt Damon so people on the internet called him Meth Damon.
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Doltos posted:I just can't get over how terrible Metalhead was. You can't be so blisteringly stupid and be a main character. The average middle-aged northern family woman is a tough creature who has no problem running for hours over hill and vale, even with legs full of shrapnel. It should have been realistic and portrayed her with the desicion making skills of a harded special forces vet. Anything less is an insult to my fore-mothers.
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