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Hal Incandenza posted:You are the most glorious of leaders. Sucking up is p. scummy imo.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 14:53 |
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OMGVBFLOL posted:im gonna undo my jokephase vote No, that was it. I didn't read any of the other Soldiers games but it keeps coming up that scum liked being in the back ranks. Yeah, scum with powerful ranged abilities get screwed in the front row, but there's something Pod said that gives me pause: "P.S. Many thanks to Ecco and Asiina for their excellent modding and documentation of The Conquest of Qal, a fantastic soldiers game that heavily inspired this one from rules writeup to many moving parts on the backend. (Metagamers beware - assumptions based on that game are likely to bamboozle you in the end!)" If scum wanting to be in the back was a major takeaway from that game (which seems to be the consensus) then Pod has almost certainly made town roles that really want to be in the back ranks.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:20 |
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CCKeane posted:Sucking up is p. scummy imo. Not brown nosing the Glorious Pancho Villa seems pretty suspicious to me. He is Glorious and Our Dear Leader. Why wouldn't you?
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:27 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:No, that was it. I didn't read any of the other Soldiers games but it keeps coming up that scum liked being in the back ranks. Yeah, scum with powerful ranged abilities get screwed in the front row, but there's something Pod said that gives me pause: By the same logic, we also probably want to stay away from thinking players are more townie for wanting to be in the front row. Pod does his best to screw with people trying to metagame, so if we treat this as a regular mafia game with a cool battle mechanic we're probably going to do well.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:30 |
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SalTheBard posted:Day 1 is always so fun and exciting This is a pretty suspect drive by post.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:43 |
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And the way this game seems to be setup, I'm assuming that most people have both a ranged and melee ability. Now sure, there are almost certainly a few people out there who have only ranged or only melee abilities, but I suspect the majority of people can actually be used in either line and their preference is based more on how their stats are setup to interact with their abilities. And another thought could be that people who would prefer to be in the back row just might not have that many HP because after all, the people in the front rows could be attacked by 6 people while the people in the back row can only be attacked by 3 people (not including scum attacks).
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:49 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:##vote SalTheBard where is your new avatar No one ever gave me one :-(
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:56 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:No, that was it. I didn't read any of the other Soldiers games but it keeps coming up that scum liked being in the back ranks. Yeah, scum with powerful ranged abilities get screwed in the front row, but there's something Pod said that gives me pause: What is your purpose in posting this?
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 15:57 |
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I thought we already established, by virtue of no one disagreeing with kashuno, that where people want to be in battle is not alignment-indicative
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:03 |
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CCKeane posted:What is your purpose in posting this? I was replying to a post where someone directly asked me to address my earlier statement, as well as clarifying my thoughts on it. Essentially I agree with Kashuno (and GeneX's new position) that rank choice is alignment-neutral.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:32 |
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So are you saying your opinion on row-stuff changed, or was your comment always going to be "it says nothing about people's alignments"?
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:38 |
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SalTheBard posted:No one ever gave me one :-( Yeah this was on me. Running a game as I was trying to also get a promotion at work was terrible and I fell off completely
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:40 |
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Also please STOP TRYING TO SETUP SPEC ON DAY 1
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:42 |
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##vote Tobbs fuckre
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:43 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I was replying to a post where someone directly asked me to address my earlier statement, as well as clarifying my thoughts on it. Essentially I agree with Kashuno (and GeneX's new position) that rank choice is alignment-neutral. That's a lot of words to throw at the topic.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:44 |
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Page 6:King Burgundy posted:Our thread is way more on the ball than those bozos in Texas. Also page 6: PMush Perfect posted:yum yum rum tobbs is scum I mean, KB's still not wrong, but that's some serious shade, Texas thread. Your Personal Muse posted:Peck, I thoroughly responded to Tobbs. Trying to frame me as avoiding the thread is disingenuous. Im not participating in the battle speculation. Its not because Im afraid of doing so or I dont think its important. I really just dont understand it very well and its not my forte. I'll admit I've been giving a bit of a pass to people who are completely not here (vs. people who are here but not producing content) due to the holidays, but with a little under 2.5 days stretching over New Year's to go it's maybe time to change course on that. Also, pi over 6 radians. SalTheBard posted:Day 1 is always so fun and exciting Hal Incandenza posted:Yeah leave YPM alone he's a good guy this game Kashuno posted:Also please STOP TRYING TO SETUP SPEC ON DAY 1
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:49 |
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GeneX posted:So are you saying your opinion on row-stuff changed, or was your comment always going to be "it says nothing about people's alignments"? It's changed. Initially I saw that ranged scum could ONLY attack the row in front of them, and that coupled with the fact that ranged town will still hit Texans from the front row made it seem like those preferring the back ranks might deserve extra scrutiny. However, since that was a major metagaming takeaway from the previous soldiers games AND Podima specifically says that metagaming takeaways from previous soldiers games have been neutralized, my initial conclusion drawn from the rules was erroneous. Also, as others have said, there may be players with abilities that target the row in front of them in a positive way. Not having anything like that myself, though, makes that nothing more than speculation.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:52 |
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Kashuno posted:Yeah this was on me. Running a game as I was trying to also get a promotion at work was terrible and I fell off completely All good! Did you get the promotion?
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:55 |
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Kashuno posted:Also please STOP TRYING TO SETUP SPEC ON DAY 1 Kashuno posted:##vote Tobbs fuckre Also, players were confused about which melee/ranged abilities were able to target which ranks, depending on when they were scum or town. It's stated explicitly in the rules, but I've read through them 3-4 times and didn't pick everything up on the first or even second read-through. Yeah, it doesn't mean a whole lot right now, but supposedly we are getting battle results and I think it's a good idea for everyone to have a decent understanding of the game mechanics, as it will help individuals determine the results of their own actions.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 16:58 |
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I'm going to day kill the next person to engage in in this asinine front row back row conversation. It is dead let's all pretend it never happened.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:09 |
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Max Peck posted:Page 6: This is a really good joke.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:10 |
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Votecount for Day 1 Gamerofthegame (2): Murmur Twin, Max Peck Tobbs Gnawed (2): Quidthulhu, Kashuno (2): Truth Quark, chaoslord, Max Peck, TMMadman, 50 pounds of bread, Slaan (2): 50 pounds of bread, Gamerofthegame The Lord of Hats (1): GeneX Quidthulhu (1): chaoslord 50 pounds of bread (1): Slaan SalTheBard (1): Hal Incandenza Anomalous Amalgam (1): Quidthulhu TMMadman (0): Murmur Twin, chaoslord (0): Murmur Twin, GeneX (0): OMGVBFLOL, Kashuno, Your Personal Muse (0): Tobbs Gnawed, OMGVBFLOL (0): GeneX, Murmur Twin (0): TMMadman, chaoslord, Not Voting (12): Anomalous Amalgam, CCKeane, Flying Leatherman, IllegallySober, King Burgundy, Moatillata, Monathin, OMGVBFLOL, SalTheBard, The Lord of Hats, Tobbs Gnawed, Your Personal Muse With 25 people still alive, it takes 13 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 02nd, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 2 days, 8 hours. Many legends and tall tales followed Pancho (formerly Francisco) Villa through his storied career. A bandit turned revolutionary, he helped mobilize the downtrodden and shape them into a fighting force to be feared like no other. As time went on, those he worked with began to feel uneasy - was the División del Norte truly fighting for the Mexican revolution, or were they fighting for Pancho Villa only? It seems that their fears were warranted, as this new Shine-fuelled incursion into Texas seems to have little to do with the revolutionaries' goals for Mexican reform. But as for how the División del Norte became a fearsome army capable of challenging Texas, let alone the entire United States? That's a story for another time...
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:19 |
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Alright, so I looked about and I also think TMM is pretty suspect. The vote on Kash feels like a self conscious "lol I'm voting Kahs" and the subsequent topics of conversation he engaged in are banal.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:23 |
Threat of violence brings the dull roar of conversation to a screeching halt. Kid's up now, though, so he may as well get movin'. Gamerofthegame posted:i don't want to stroke my ego but this also reads to me as tobbs getting called out and immediately trying to find something to latch onto... from something flimsy out of jokephase ##vote Gamer Kid figures two wrongs don't make a right. Given how deeply the argument derailed last night due to this case, he isn't exactly getting the warm fuzzies. Managed to shift suspicion over to another member of the camp, but never actually backed down from their stance. Gamerofthegame posted:if someone goes "hey who's suspicious enough to use a power on" i'm just going to assume a dayvig hustle Murmur Twin posted:To be clear - you read what TMM said and thought "he is trying to dayvig someone"? Exchanges like this don't invite confidence, and they immediately shifted onto a case that derailed suspicion enough from them. Kid's not buying it was a legitimate effort.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:47 |
CCKeane posted:Alright, so I looked about and I also think TMM is pretty suspect. The vote on Kash feels like a self conscious "lol I'm voting Kahs" and the subsequent topics of conversation he engaged in are banal. Kid waves to a comrade in arms, wants them to check over his work, see if he's missing anything. Better to have a second pair of eyes on it.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:48 |
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For KB: I know this wasn't part of the questions, but I don't feel like it's a bad thing to share as it will help with strategy, especially if you decide to start invading Texas and want to min-max your setup. The role that fits me best is [TANK]. I don't hit very hard, but I can take more punishment than most and stay standing.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:53 |
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Blood meridian is one of my favorite books, montahin I advise you avoid the jakes after this game Watching my dog poo poo Thinking about this drat game Gene why the spreadsheets? Also tobbs hello it has been awhile you are seeming p tree rn. Are you feeling it?
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:55 |
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Monathin posted:Kid waves to a comrade in arms, wants them to check over his work, see if he's missing anything. Better to have a second pair of eyes on it. A couple things I picked up were that it was essentially a jokevote but stayed on Kash even when he had 4 votes on him. The other thing is that I agree with TQ that the interaction between MMT and TMM looks like it could be fabricated. They both seem to be posting pretty carefully, though, so it's hard to get a solid read. Not having been picked out and tunneled by MMT thus far makes me really uncomfortable, but I'm sure it's coming.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 17:59 |
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Moatillata posted:Blood meridian is one of my favorite books, montahin I advise you avoid the jakes after this game I am very very tree and I think you are too Moat. I get e-mails if someone sends me a PM so if you ever want to drag me into a game let 'er rip and I'll come runnin'.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:00 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I am very very tree and I think you are too Moat. If you're not in your weird murder cabin or abroad in Europe drinking from tiny cups
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:01 |
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Moatillata posted:If you're not in your weird murder cabin or abroad in Europe drinking from tiny cups The cups were in Belgium and not tiny because I always got the 50 cL ones. I am going to Japan in April.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:02 |
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Also my haiku was a legitimate question gene
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:04 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:For KB: This is the kind of thing that is and to reveal because it helps enemy targeting a lot 🙃
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:04 |
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Kashuno posted:This is the kind of thing that is and to reveal because it helps enemy targeting a lot 🙃 I am prepared to die for Glorious Mexico. Maybe it helps them a little (knowing they need to hit me a lot, or possibly avoiding me to hit an easier target) but if you stick your tanks up front, the enemy will have to work pretty hard to bring down more than one. Like I said, it's more important if we are invading Mexico than battling on neutral ground.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:10 |
Tobbs Gnawed posted:A couple things I picked up were that it was essentially a jokevote but stayed on Kash even when he had 4 votes on him. Kid shakes his head. Fool's errand to think that exchange might be anything more than a bit both were expecting from the start. Kid still ain't convinced it's fabricated with the intent to fly under the radar - more like a long-running joke. If the hunt's gonna start in earnest, he's already got his suspicions pretty well set for now.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:11 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I am prepared to die for Glorious Mexico. Maybe it helps them a little (knowing they need to hit me a lot, or possibly avoiding me to hit an easier target) but if you stick your tanks up front, the enemy will have to work pretty hard to bring down more than one. Like I said, it's more important if we are invading Mexico than battling on neutral ground. Everything you just said is like the exact problem with people who claim vanilla Town. You are helping scum way more than us
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:15 |
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Moatillata posted:Blood meridian is one of my favorite books, montahin I advise you avoid the jakes after this game Easiest way to quickly collect and compare info, and once I did the texas thread I figured I should do it for us too since I thought it could be used as a scumhunting aid (+it’s probably helpful to have around for KB)
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:17 |
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I'm going to ##unvote for now so that I can actually vote soonish.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:24 |
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Kashuno posted:Everything you just said is like the exact problem with people who claim vanilla Town. You are helping scum way more than us Stop rolefishing.
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# ? Dec 31, 2017 18:27 |
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Stop rolefishing. ...what? Explain. Not the definition of rolefishing, but rather why on earth you think Kashuno is doing it
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