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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Super Jay Mann posted:

CS's dirty little secret is that all the silly complaints leveled at Rean that mostly aren't all that true apply perfectly to Towa instead.

All those complaints apply much worse to the protagonist than Towa.

She at least has some flaws.

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The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i don't think rean is a flawless person

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

The Colonel posted:

i don't think rean is a flawless person

He refuses to tell his sister he doesn't wanna gently caress, for one.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

The Colonel posted:

i don't think rean is a flawless person

Well yeah, he's to nice.

To helpful as well

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


havenwaters posted:

So CS1 6th floor abandoned schoolhouse. I haven't played the game in months. Is it normal for Laura to do like 5,000-7,500 physical damage while everyone else is doing like 1,000-2,000? I probably need to do a better job with my orbments or whatever but I don't remember much. Just trying to finish up CS PC at some point before CS2 PC comes out.

edit: I guess she has that first attack does 2x damage thing going on, on top of Laura just being great. That may explain it.

edit 2: Rean and Fie are doing that 1.5-2k damage. I think I just forgot what I'm supposed to do with Jusis and Alisa and didn't bring Emma who was setup to cast fire bolts forever. Oh well, boss died quickly anyway between jusis and elliot using earth/mirage on it and laura and rean just beating the crap out of it.

If she still has her default MQ on then she also has +50% strength. Take that off of her and give Jusis a bunch of speed boosts and have him spam Noble Command.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Also he's an ultimately selfish person despite all his helpfulness, who hides his problems from others not only to his own expensive but at the expense of the people around him. His helpfulness is mostly a way for him to alleviate his own guilt about that - while he cares sincerely about the people around him, he has difficulties fully trusting them, despite all his speeches about friendship and teamwork, and so he's something of a hypocrite. His difficulties telling people no aren't just 'being too nice,' but a legitimate pathological issue born out of this complex.

He can also be a very bitter person, lingering on things long after they've been resolved. Since he goes above and beyond to help other people, he expects the same from the people around him, not realizing that sometimes conflicts will arise naturally. This is mostly played for laughs with Patrick, but you can see it in a much more raw way at the end of CS2.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Also he breaks to many hearts because he is to god drat lovable.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

pretty much every girl ive talked to irl whos played cold steel is into rean, including several lesbians, so i think thats a pretty accurate plotpoint

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Everyone loves a blank slate you can project onto.

Doesn't make him interesting.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen

Zaggitz posted:

He refuses to tell his sister he doesn't wanna gently caress, for one.

What did you think he meant when he told Elise "I'm not going to be part of your family"?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

CharlestheHammer posted:

Everyone loves a blank slate you can project onto.

Doesn't make him interesting.

I don't know how to tell you this but I don't think the women that want to gently caress Rean are projecting onto him, they just think he's cute and likeable, as a character. The only way they'd be projecting onto him is if they wanted to jack off as a guy, which is a very complex set of circumstances that I don't think the Cold Steel series is ready to explore.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Endorph posted:

I don't know how to tell you this but I don't think the women that want to gently caress Rean are projecting onto him, they just think he's cute and likeable, as a character. The only way they'd be projecting onto him is if they wanted to jack off as a guy, which is a very complex set of circumstances that I don't think the Cold Steel series is ready to explore.

I meant project what they want onto him. He can be whoever you want him to be, he doesn't have much of a character to get in the way.

Which there isn't anything wrong with.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Here's a completely unassailable perfect ranking of the Trails protagonists:

Estelle = Kevin = Rean > Lloyd.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i think arguing with you about this is just gonna go round in circles because your view of rean is just as him not being a character which is blatantly wrong but you don't really seem to want to shift on that

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

Terper posted:

Here's a completely unassailable perfect ranking of the Trails protagonists:

Estelle = Kevin = Rean > Lloyd.

i too hate lloyd for how op he is in ys vs sora

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

The Colonel posted:

i think arguing with you about this is just gonna go round in circles because your view of rean is just as him not being a character which is blatantly wrong but you don't really seem to want to shift on that

I mean I feel the same way about your view so yeah I doubt either of us are gonna budge but let's be honest when's the last time any of us have budged on our personal opinion.

No one honestly thinks these arguments are gonna change anyone's mind. They are always just circles that repeat.

BearDrivingTruck
Oct 15, 2011

You see the most shocking sights sometimes

Endorph posted:

Also he's an ultimately selfish person despite all his helpfulness, who hides his problems from others not only to his own expensive but at the expense of the people around him. His helpfulness is mostly a way for him to alleviate his own guilt about that - while he cares sincerely about the people around him, he has difficulties fully trusting them, despite all his speeches about friendship and teamwork, and so he's something of a hypocrite. His difficulties telling people no aren't just 'being too nice,' but a legitimate pathological issue born out of this complex.

He can also be a very bitter person, lingering on things long after they've been resolved. Since he goes above and beyond to help other people, he expects the same from the people around him, not realizing that sometimes conflicts will arise naturally. This is mostly played for laughs with Patrick, but you can see it in a much more raw way at the end of CS2.

While I agree that Rean is more complex than people give him credit for, I think saying that he's a hypocrite for the reasons you gave is a stretch. Rean's core issue (as I read it, at least) is his complex from being adopted, compounded by going Ogre Mode in front of Elise as a kid and what I see as a natural inclination towards caring. All that stuff has mired him in self-loathing, and his unwillingness to say "no" is him (rather unhealthily) trying to make himself feel better. Rean has little to no self-esteem. Meanwhile, I don't see him having difficulty trusting others being an issue at all. I'd say his trust/distrust ratio is fairly average, actually.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


https://twitter.com/vaisu_kaguya/status/896913349576806400


Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
Angelica and Rean are fantastic. :allears:

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled

Some Numbers posted:

Angelica and Rean are fantastic. :allears:

Yup.

Olivier's response makes sense too. Kinda curious about Elie now also.

Billzasilver
Nov 8, 2016

I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?


Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean I feel the same way about your view so yeah I doubt either of us are gonna budge but let's be honest when's the last time any of us have budged on our personal opinion.

No one honestly thinks these arguments are gonna change anyone's mind. They are always just circles that repeat.

Rean is helpful to the point of being almost suicidal. I can definitely see why that’d be prime husbando material. He’s a hyper-competent hurt puppy.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Billzasilver posted:

Rean is helpful to the point of being almost suicidal. I can definitely see why that’d be prime husbando material. He’s a hyper-competent hurt puppy.

I don't disagree.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
I finally completed Trails in the Sky FC, a full 2 years after starting it and falling off on the final chapter intro, and finally moving onto SC.

I feel like it is fitting that I finally completed one of my white whale games on new years eve.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Failcom hehe, oh is that the door?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
Falcom? Your Palcom

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

verb the adjective noun

TitS: The 3rd as a whole is easily my least favorite of the Sky series - I can't bring myself to care about Kevin either; but it stands out so much in a few ways. There are a handful of tracks in The 3rd that are just killer, and some of the doors are great.

What really gets me about it is the dialogue. Every time I had a party where the members potentially had something contextually relevant to say about the situation and/or to each other because of their past - they did. It really impressed me, and it just boggles my mind thinking about the work that had to go into every combo of characters. It just makes you want to play scenes over and over. I would be really interested in a video from XSEED explaining the scope of that to lay people like me.

Ojetor
Aug 4, 2010

Return of the Sensei

When THE gently caress is Ys 8 coming out on PC?????????

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Ojetor posted:

When THE gently caress is Ys 8 coming out on PC?????????

As soon as NISA finish fixing the broken localization they put out on consoles.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Zaggitz posted:

As soon as NISA finish fixing the broken localization they put out on consoles.
Has it been hinted at by Falcom that they've learned their lesson with this NISA fiasco or are they still silent on it?

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

xylo posted:

Has it been hinted at by Falcom that they've learned their lesson with this NISA fiasco or are they still silent on it?

Pretty sure they've made their displeasure pretty vocal.

Erpy
Jan 30, 2015
(insert title here)

xylo posted:

Has it been hinted at by Falcom that they've learned their lesson with this NISA fiasco or are they still silent on it?

There's no way a professional company like Falcom would publically snipe at a fellow company in the business. If they're displeased, it'll remain inside confines of the corporate boardroom.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Is Kou also voiced by a famous, expensive VA because it's doing the same "stay silent while EVERYTHING else is voiced" thing like Rean

Red Red Blue
Feb 11, 2007



No matter what they say or don't say we'll find out for sure the next time one of their games gets announced for localization, which as far as I know hasn't happened since Ys8 came out

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Erpy posted:

There's no way a professional company like Falcom would publically snipe at a fellow company in the business. If they're displeased, it'll remain inside confines of the corporate boardroom.
Nah this isn't true. You just need to read the tea leaves oh what they say. They'll always end up saying things like "We're aware of the issues raised by the community and are working with our partner to see what needs to be address" and if they egregiously gently caress up there may be a CEO to CEO call (like say Disney to EA.) Hence why I was asking if they've made any statement at all yet.

I'm kind of curious if the western market moves the needle so to speak for Falcom (would assume it's starting too since we're seeing a lot of titles come over?)

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Falcom makes 70% from Japan, 15% from other Asian countries, and 15% from the west.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

i did it i beat ao 10/10

now to try to reacclimatize to life outside playing trails all day

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Tae posted:

Is Kou also voiced by a famous, expensive VA because it's doing the same "stay silent while EVERYTHING else is voiced" thing like Rean

im 90% sure this explanation is just something people made up and not the actual reason

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Kou and Rean are both voiced by none other than Joshua Bright

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Cake Attack posted:

i did it i beat ao 10/10

now to try to reacclimatize to life outside playing trails all day

Congratulations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDy1DhTAXD4

Now you too can look at this Trails of Cold Steel 3 preview image and go 'oh my god?'

https://i.imgur.com/sBxhWt3.jpg

Remember the red pills from the end of Zero? They were never explained.

Terper fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 1, 2018

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Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Cake Attack posted:

i did it i beat ao 10/10

now to try to reacclimatize to life outside playing trails all day

Crossbell arc best arc?

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