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LesterGroans posted:I didn't even care for the first Machete and it's still miles ahead of that lovely sequel. I think the original Machete works (for me, anyway) because Rodriguez decided he'd homage exploitation movies by making an exploitation movie. In the sequel, he tried to actively parody grindhouse movies and it just didn't work, I think because when you actually go back and watch some of those old movies, they're usually very earnest and they usually play things straight. I think Tarantino gets that; I don't think Tarantino movies that are homaging some element of grindhouse cinema tend to play any of it for laughs. I feel like Machete Kills was almost too self-aware and tongue in cheek for it to be effective as a parody. Edit: Aside from Desperado, I don't think Rodriguez has a great track record for sequels. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Machete’s biggest flaw was that it felt it had to stick to the fake trailer source material, unlike Hobo With a Shotgun that just let loose and was far better because of it. The sequel was just so poor I can’t remember a single thing about it. I’m also sad that I seem to be the only person on the planet who loves action movies and cannot stand Brawl in Cell Block 99. It’s not the worst made film I’ve seen all year, but while I didn’t have any expectations for the crap that was worse I thought I was going to really enjoy that one.
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It's been a while since I've watched it but from what I remember the big problem with the second Machete movie is that it felt like they really toned things down from the first one.
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You know they were alreay out of ideas too because the working title for the cancelled third movie was "Machete Kills Again... In Space!"
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The thing that makes Hobo With A Shotgun work is that none of it is treated like a joke.
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The sequel discarded too much of the "feel" of the original in favour of being just plain wacky. It could have gotten away with being more over the top than the first one, if it wasn't too much like all the crappy indie films that do stuff like rip on Plan 9 from Outer Space.
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Halloween Jack posted:The sequel discarded too much of the "feel" of the original in favour of being just plain wacky. It could have gotten away with being more over the top than the first one, if it wasn't too much like all the crappy indie films that do stuff like rip on Plan 9 from Outer Space. Those indie movies wish they could be as good as Plan 9
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sponges posted:Those indie movies wish they could be as good as Plan 9 For real.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The thing that makes Hobo With A Shotgun work is that none of it is treated like a joke. Yeah; Hobo with a Shotgun is funny as gently caress, but the jokes are never at the expense of the premise, and Rutger Hauer's performance is played about as straight as possible.
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I just remembered that Michael Caine was a vigilante action guy in 2009 at the age of ~75. is Harry Brown a movie worth watching?
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MrBling posted:I just remembered that Michael Caine was a vigilante action guy in 2009 at the age of ~75. Yep.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The thing that makes Hobo With A Shotgun work is that none of it is treated like a joke. Yeah, it totally commits to the gonzo universe it's set in. So like, you can have Rutger Hauer monologue about his dreams of owning a lawnmower in one scene, and jump to a ghost bus full of dead kids, or The Plague wrecking a hospital, and none of it really clashes. It's earnest towards the world it's set in and doesn't ever take an outsider's stance.
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Hey guys, I'm assembling a watchlist of the B-movies from the sub-subgenre that overlaps The Warriors and Escape from New York. Anything I'm missing that's worth watching? The New Barbarians Steel Dawn 1990: The Bronx Warriors Bronx Warriors 2: Escape from the Bronx 2019: After the Fall of New York The Running Man Endgame Turkey Shoot
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Death Wish 3? Robot Holocaust? Solarbabies? got any sevens fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Hey guys, I'm assembling a watchlist of the B-movies from the sub-subgenre that overlaps The Warriors and Escape from New York. Anything I'm missing that's worth watching? Hell Comes To Frogtown.
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Maybe Mindwarp? It has a lot of chase scenes and horror elements but there is some action in there. Probably more horror though. Not sure it's really worth watching either...
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Halloween Jack posted:Hey guys, I'm assembling a watchlist of the B-movies from the sub-subgenre that overlaps The Warriors and Escape from New York. Anything I'm missing that's worth watching? Endgame, if you mean the one directed by Joe D'Amato that stars George Eastman, unfortunately sucks (I know I was also stunned that a movie from the directing/writing/acting duo that brought us Porno Holocaust is not good) because it's REALLY slow after a fun first act. Fortunately Lucio Fulci directed a similar but way cooler movie that's had a few different names. It should be on Amazon Prime right now as New Gladiators (courtesy of Troma!!!), but may also be Warriors of Rome 2017 or Rome 2033: The Fighter Centurions. Anyway it has some slow team building/training/machinations parts but it just completely rules and has some ambitious twists, it's one of the more original of these movies especially for one that was released several years before The Running Man. Plus even forgetting all of that it just completely rules for the cast, soundtrack, and miniature future Rome flyover shots and Blade Runner wannabe shots of folks in flying cars. Please don't miss this one. Also it has some brief training and "brainwashing" sequences like this. This isn't a fan music video someone made this is literally in the movie as is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8TiE8cuUuA I bolded 2019 in your post because I just want to say it's my favorite movie of that kind to come out of Italy. I'd also say to absolutely check out..... 2020: Texas Gladiators Doomsday Nemesis New Crime City: LA 2020 Ultimate Warrior (has Max von Sydow, Yul Brynner.....AND GEORGE EASTMAN in it) For a so insanely cheaply made it's hilarious one I strongly recommend The Bronx Executioner, which should also be on Prime right now. This one, like, the basic concept actually had a lot of heart but oh my lord the script genuinely has some The Room levels lapses in logic and how the people interact and stuff. It's so cheap a few of the characters receive different dubs halfway through the movie. A lot of the fun comes from the epic scope with which the film's factions and the world are described vs. most of it being filmed in a junkyard with like six people. There's also a lot of  level attempts at The Big Questions type conversations regarding androids and what it means to be human and if robots can love and stuff.An actor playing a major character CLEARLY walked off the set halfway through and that's handled about as gracefully as this movie could do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuI9rGw08wI This training is supposed to prep someone for a job where they have to personally monitor food dropoffs into android/humanoid war zones like a UN peacekeeper and also be able to beat up cyborgs. There are multiple shots of a power lines, but just one of the single towers holding up the power lines and it's supposed to be a cyborg headquarters broadcasting tower. Most of the establishing shots are from an earlier not related film called The Final Executioner. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 1, 2018 |
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Thanks for the recommends! I thought I had about everything in this genre covered, but there are several there that I hadn't even heard of. I mean, I figure there are always going to be some really Z-grade ones that aren't worth watching, but how did I not know that Fulci had directed a film in this subgenre? (You could probably just call them guerrieri films, but I don't expect that to catch on.) As an extremely cheap overambitious sci-fi film, The Bronx Executioner sounds like it should have been featured on MST3K alongside Overdrawn at the Memory Bank and Space Mutiny. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jan 2, 2018 |
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Fart City posted:Yeah, it totally commits to the gonzo universe it's set in. So like, you can have Rutger Hauer monologue about his dreams of owning a lawnmower in one scene, and jump to a ghost bus full of dead kids, or The Plague wrecking a hospital, and none of it really clashes. It's earnest towards the world it's set in and doesn't ever take an outsider's stance. There's no winking in Hobo, whereas Rodriguez always has to remind you that he's above the film, that he's smart enough to get it, and as a result the films (especially Machete Kills) really smack of insincerity and insecurity. It's amazing that even more than 20 years into Tarantino's career, so few of his imitators get why he works. He makes earnest films about pulp movie characters. They're either small scale stories of when things go wrong (like the Marvin story) or true, fundamental identity crises (like Jules in Pulp Fiction or the Bride in Kill Bill)
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Snowman_McK posted:There's no winking in Hobo, whereas Rodriguez always has to remind you that he's above the film, that he's smart enough to get it, and as a result the films (especially Machete Kills) really smack of insincerity and insecurity. I don't know how much of a problem that is in Rodriguez's movies in general; of those I've seen, it's only really been a problem with Machete Kills. I didn't think there was too much winking in, say, Desperado or Rodriguez's half of From Dusk Til Dawn. quote:It's amazing that even more than 20 years into Tarantino's career, so few of his imitators get why he works. He makes earnest films about pulp movie characters. They're either small scale stories of when things go wrong (like the Marvin story) or true, fundamental identity crises (like Jules in Pulp Fiction or the Bride in Kill Bill) And soon he'll be done. Is this Star Trek movie he's doing supposed to be the one he's going out on? He's got his Manson movie coming out, then there's a Star Trek movie, then is that it? Or will the Star Trek one not count and he'll still have one more after that?
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Wheat Loaf posted:And soon he'll be done. Is this Star Trek movie he's doing supposed to be the one he's going out on? He's got his Manson movie coming out, then there's a Star Trek movie, then is that it? Or will the Star Trek one not count and he'll still have one more after that? If, and I still think that's a big "if", he does end up directing Star Trek I feel like he'll say it won't count and his "10 films" will be ones he wrote and directed. I also don't really think he'll stop at 10 anyway, maybe just take a long break.
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Brawl in Cell Block 99 was extremely entertaining. Surprisingly, Vaughn is perfectly cast. It's easy to forget how big he is.
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I hope he does Kill Bill 3. I know he's gone back and forth on it for about 15 years at this point but it'd still be fun to see.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:He'll pull a Stephen Soderbergh, absolutely. Yeah. He's on a different gear from Soderbergh, so I doubt he'll direct two full TV seasons back-to-back then immediately go back and do a movie. I wouldn't be surprised if he does end up doing a miniseries or something then a few years later another movie though.
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Tarantino's the kind of guy who will probably be fine just saying openly "hey I'm going back on what I said because I want to keep making movies for a while longer". I mean, he'll say it in a much more assholeish way than that but I doubt he'd retire just for the sake of keeping his word.
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Snowman_McK posted:The overuse of slo-mo is a hallowed tradition. I swear ninety percent of 'A Better Tomorrow 3" is in slo-mo Oh god the king of overused awful slow-mo is The Boondock Saints. Every action scene is the exact same and it get extremely tedious towards the end, to the point where I cheered when they just shot a guy regularly. God what an awful movie. LesterGroans posted:I didn't even care for the first Machete and it's still miles ahead of that lovely sequel. Lookin forward to Alita: Battle Angel! Fart City posted:Hell Comes To Frogtown. Hell Comes To Frogtown has like one good scene right in the very beginning, and about 3 other lines of dialogue, but otherwise it’s an interminable slog. Halloween Jack posted:Hey guys, I'm assembling a watchlist of the B-movies from the sub-subgenre that overlaps The Warriors and Escape from New York. Anything I'm missing that's worth watching? Streets of Fire, if you’re good with a lighter-toned movie about rock music. Great Willem Dafoe performance, and Rick Moranis, Diane Lane, and Lee Ving are fun.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Oh god the king of overused awful slow-mo is The Boondock Saints. Every action scene is the exact same and it get extremely tedious towards the end, to the point where I cheered when they just shot a guy regularly. God what an awful movie. quote:Hell Comes To Frogtown has like one good scene right in the very beginning, and about 3 other lines of dialogue, but otherwise it’s an interminable slog.
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Halloween Jack posted:The real lovely part about this isn't even the slo-mo per se, it's that almost all of the action is filmed as shot reverse shot. I just rewatched Bronx Warriors 2 and it's not that cheap. That was a huge eye opener when I watched the movie for the first time after I'd grown out of the phase where Boondock Saints was cool. It's just not a technically well made movie, and as you point out the action is filmed in the cheapest, most amateurish way possible. The performances are solid, that's really the only thing that makes it watchable today.
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Halloween Jack posted:The real lovely part about this isn't even the slo-mo per se, it's that almost all of the action is filmed as shot reverse shot. I just rewatched Bronx Warriors 2 and it's not that cheap. The Boondock Saints is a matryoshka doll of “the real lovely part”s, it’s easily in the top 5 worst movies I’ve ever seen. The only good things about it were a paycheck for Willem Dafoe, and Overnight, the documentary about making it (although I have no idea how it’s aged with what we know about Harvey Weinstein). SleepCousinDeath posted:Kurt Wimmer should remake Boondock Saints. He already did with Equilibrium, which is just as “cool” and just as stupid. while actually having some style to its action scenes and being massively entertaining. I loving love Equilibrium.
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I've never seen Boondock Saints. I always thought it had something to do with the Aaron McGruder comic strip and cartoon The Boondocks. 
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We should all thank Boondock Saints for making it so easy to quickly find out who you will hate at a house party.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've never seen Boondock Saints. I always thought it had something to do with the Aaron McGruder comic strip and cartoon The Boondocks. It is one of those movies where if you're 15 when you watch it, it is the coolest movie in the world. Then if you actually rewatch it later on, you'll realise how bad it is.
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It's in the quippy hitmen / heist gone wrong genre that was all the rage after Tarantino broke through, isn't it?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've never seen Boondock Saints. I always thought it had something to do with the Aaron McGruder comic strip and cartoon The Boondocks. It's basically a teenager's fantasy of being a badass vigilante but also if that teenager was the director of the movie and didn't really know what he was doing.
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Yeah, it comes from that extremely 90s aesthetic of raging against an ossified status quo, that made it cool to be antisocial for no reason. I think it goes beyond Tarantino, but he made it into a phenomenon big enough that a douchebag like Troy Duffy could ride it to a movie deal.
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Fart City posted:We should all thank Boondock Saints for making it so easy to quickly find out who you will hate at a house party. I watched it because at least 5 or so people I met my freshman year of college said it was one of the best movies ever made, and it’s since been a guidepost to who to distrust. Wheat Loaf posted:It's in the quippy hitmen / heist gone wrong genre that was all the rage after Tarantino broke through, isn't it? It’s 100% a Tarantino clone, even down to making his own version of Marvin’s death from Pulp Fiction, with a little bit of Gary Oldman from Leon: The Professional sprinkled in.
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