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Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole

chumbler posted:

Also it's disappointing how nobody ever talks about how cool Morag looks.

I figured it was just assumed. She and Brighid probably have the best designs in the game.

Really, I think there are a lot of cool designs in the game. People just focus on the bad ones because they're funny bad.

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TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

chumbler posted:

You don't get to be Torna's naptime specialist without wearing your pajamas all the time.

Also it's disappointing how nobody ever talks about how cool Morag looks.

It's because everyone, including the game, forgets that Morag exists.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Honestly I actually like Rex's outfit when he's in full salvager mode. If he just like popped off his helmet instead of ripping out half the outfit while walking around it'd be pretty cool.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Momomo posted:

I figured it was just assumed. She and Brighid probably have the best designs in the game.

I think Brighid's boobs are kind of ridiculous but Morag is definitely a really good design. And maybe open your eyes Brighid?

Roc and Agate are pretty good designs. The same goes for Kassandra. It'd be nice if more blades generally weren't sexy women.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Reiterpallasch posted:

huh. was it party damage, or were the tanks going down?

if it's party damage, was it poison breath? that move's brutal to non-tanks but it only hits in a cone in front of him. a water resist v aux core will also do wonders for your tank's survivability if they're having trouble with it. otherwise all you have to worry about is horn dance and that straight up shouldn't be lethal.

if it's tank damage, you can get decent results by using tora as your tank instead of four--i don't do it because i have to redo all my poppiswap mods to take the +damage stuff off him, but he'd be a lot more survivable than four with just brighid. i think what might have happened is that four got mulched before you could get mythra up to gold affinity, the evasion bonus doesn't kick in until then.

I'm at 384/600 blade combo finishes for one of Poppi's affinity charts, the last one I need to finish that chart in fact. Hurray! :shepicide:

PJOmega
May 5, 2009
Five casually mentioning that bandits often targeted drivers with attractive blades so they could sell off the crystals with pictures was a bit out of left field.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I can't turn Tora into a pissed off pinecone so Rikki will always be better

PJOmega posted:

Five casually mentioning that bandits often targeted drivers with attractive blades so they could sell off the crystals with pictures was a bit out of left field.

Judging how people react to blades on the internet it's not that hard to believe all things considered.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




I'm only missing two rare blades now, Floren and KOS-MOS. Goddamn it, why can't I pull KOS-MOS :negative:

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Was kind of wondering actually. What happens when a driver tries to go into combat with more than one blade engaged. Like was it ever stated that there's a rule against all 3 blades popping out at once and feeding their driver the ether lines?

Also I know it's because it's a game but if say, Nia falls in combat but doesn't die would Dromarch be able to run over to Rex and start supporting him? I'm kinda curious as to what those rules are.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




welp, that's 50 rare cores and 20 legendaries with nothing to show for it. Time to make some room in my blade inventory and hear 10 variations of

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

U-DO Burger posted:

welp, that's 50 rare cores and 20 legendaries with nothing to show for it. Time to make some room in my blade inventory and hear 10 variations of



Did you pump your luck up? I did and I don't think I cracked more than a 100 rare cores to get them all.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




CharlestheHammer posted:

Did you pump your luck up? I did and I don't think I cracked more than a 100 rare cores to get them all.

Zeke's luck is sitting a bit north of 700 right now. I figured that would be high enough, but maybe I'm wrong

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Was kind of wondering actually. What happens when a driver tries to go into combat with more than one blade engaged. Like was it ever stated that there's a rule against all 3 blades popping out at once and feeding their driver the ether lines?

Also I know it's because it's a game but if say, Nia falls in combat but doesn't die would Dromarch be able to run over to Rex and start supporting him? I'm kinda curious as to what those rules are.

The three blades thing seems to be entirely mechanical. Literally no one in the entire game besides the PCs seems to have more than a single Blade, and even them having multiple blades is only ever addressed in two cutscenes that skate around it.

Blades can only directly support their drivers though they cam also fight on their own. They just aren't as powerful as they are with a driver? Probably. Torna really makes this whole thing confusing as gently caress. And makes Jin even more bullshit if he's toned down from what he would be able to do with Lora


Blade powers are insanely ill defined and range from 'shoots a small fireball' to 'moves faster than the speed of light'

Zore fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 3, 2018

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
The blade/driver relationship seemed kind of weird for a game like this, since it seems like the blade has absolutely no obligation to follow the driver, and seem capable of functioning entirely on their own.

Hammer Bro.
Jul 7, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER

I just now realized that KOS-MOS is probably pronounced "cosmos" and not "koss-moss".

I genuinely hope I'm wrong.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Hammer Bro. posted:

I just now realized that KOS-MOS is probably pronounced "cosmos" and not "koss-moss".

I genuinely hope I'm wrong.

It's cosmos, a npc in her questline even has a line "it's cool how your name is cosmos"

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

Momomo posted:

The blade/driver relationship seemed kind of weird for a game like this, since it seems like the blade has absolutely no obligation to follow the driver, and seem capable of functioning entirely on their own.

This is one of the things I meant when I mentioned missed world-building opportunities. Admittedly, I'm only about halfway into the game so far, but it feels like there are a lot more stories they could be telling in this world they've created. You have entire empires established on the backs of enormous, sentient, moving creatures, and immortal beings that spring out of rocks to follow you around and provide you with weapons, but instead we get a generic story about an orphan boy who finds an ancient power and uses it to have Dragon Ball-style fights with bad guys. The Ardainian–Gormotti conflict is a good start (our titan is dying and causing global (local?) warming, so we need to take over another titan), but there's so much more they could be doing with the setting.

404notfound fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 3, 2018

Lacermonia
May 15, 2002

Zore posted:

The three blades thing seems to be entirely mechanical. Literally no one in the entire game besides the PCs seems to have more than a single Blade, and even them having multiple blades is only ever addressed in two cutscenes that skate around it.

Blades can only directly support their drivers though they cam also fight on their own. They just aren't as powerful as they are with a driver? Probably. Torna really makes this whole thing confusing as gently caress. And makes Jin even more bullshit if he's toned down from what he would be able to do with Lora


Blade powers are insanely ill defined and range from 'shoots a small fireball' to 'moves faster than the speed of light'

They are all flesh eaters except Malos. The concept and limitations of flesh eaters seems pretty poorly explained and confusing though.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Hammer Bro. posted:

I just now realized that KOS-MOS is probably pronounced "cosmos" and not "koss-moss".

I genuinely hope I'm wrong.

? What the hell are you talking ab-
*looks up English KOS-MOS intro*

Well poo poo. It's supposed to be pronounced cōsmōs. Both 'o's are long

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I think this is a case where trying to make internally cpnsistent explanations would make the whole thing fall apart, so it's better not to. The effectively immortal beings not having the implicit task of being a historical record is a neat wrinkle, though.

Hammer Bro.
Jul 7, 2007

THUNDERDOME LOSER

U-DO Burger posted:

Well poo poo. It's supposed to be pronounced cōsmōs. Both 'o's are long

For some reason that's slightly better in my books. Though still incorrect.

pissdude
Jul 15, 2003

(and can't post for 6 years!)

it's pronounced like "Coast" and "Most", KOS-MOS

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
She's space Mary Magdalene. Makes sense her name would be pronounced cosmos

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

SNOT CORN posted:

They are all flesh eaters except Malos. The concept and limitations of flesh eaters seems pretty poorly explained and confusing though.

technically Mik is a blade eater :eng101:

RazzleDazzleHour
Mar 31, 2016

Yeah considering the entirety of Xenosaga called her Kos-Mos not pronounced like cosmos, it would certainly seem like how you would pronounce that name. The Japanese version of XBC2 pronounces it not-cosmos too. But I'm sure the English dub is fine though

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

TurnipFritter posted:

It's because everyone, including the game, forgets that Morag exists.

As someone that just beat the game a couple days ago, Morag was still active as anyone else to the end. I'm not understanding people that think she got poo poo on in the late game.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

So I'm running with Rex, Nia, and Four with three-ATK, three-HLR, and three-TNK. It's effective, but rather bland... Without getting too gimmicky, what are some ways to mix it up? Has somebody tried running with ATK/HLR/TNK on every character?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Tae posted:

As someone that just beat the game a couple days ago, Morag was still active as anyone else to the end. I'm not understanding people that think she got poo poo on in the late game.

The game focuses the most on the first three members, something like Rex > Nia >>>>> Tora > Morag = Zeke. Which is a big shame.

Oh also, Morag is your fourth party member sry. Bask in the amazingness that is Morag. Zeke is five

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
The Blades are just as much of characters (I really liked how Pandoria's glasses become transparent after their backstory. Poppi is waaaay more important than Tora.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Pollyanna posted:

The game focuses the most on the first three members, something like Rex > Nia >>>>> Tora > Morag = Zeke. Which is a big shame.

Oh also, Morag is your fourth party member sry. Bask in the amazingness that is Morag. Zeke is five

Eh Nia doesn't get that much more focus.

They all get their little pieces though Zeke is probably the smallest.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

CharlestheHammer posted:

Eh Nia doesn't get that much more focus.

They all get their little pieces though Zeke is probably the smallest.

Nia is like the one character in the game who has anything that resembles character development.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




So this just happened:

My wife: "so kids do you want oranges for a snack?"
Daughter: "FLORA HEALS AN ACHING SOUL"

I guess that's a yes

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



that owns

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Nia gets so much development that I insist she should have been the leading girl.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

TurnipFritter posted:

Nia is like the one character in the game who has anything that resembles character development.

She does but that comes in her one scene that everyone gets.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

404notfound posted:

Morag is a female Roy Mustang

And that's cool.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Momomo posted:

I figured it was just assumed. She and Brighid probably have the best designs in the game.

Really, I think there are a lot of cool designs in the game. People just focus on the bad ones because they're funny bad.

Honestly, I was really relieved that the game never did any dumb poo poo with Morag, like putting her in a dress or having her get a crush on Rex or something. It showed a remarkable amount of restraint given other aspects of the game/characters. She stays an adult just kind of accompanying the party for the entire game. Both her and Zeke (despite his goofiness) remain obviously more mature and experienced than Rex (and strangely Nia, despite the fact she should be older).

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Ytlaya posted:

Honestly, I was really relieved that the game never did any dumb poo poo with Morag, like putting her in a dress or having her get a crush on Rex or something. It showed a remarkable amount of restraint given other aspects of the game/characters. She stays an adult just kind of accompanying the party for the entire game. Both her and Zeke (despite his goofiness) remain obviously more mature and experienced than Rex (and strangely Nia, despite the fact she should be older).

"Morag, how 'bout you put on a skirt or something?"
"How about you die in a fire?"


that h2h owned so much

ajkalan
Aug 17, 2011

I have to imagine that the weird cadences in the English voice acting were deliberate choices based on how characters' mouths were moving, because the Heart to Heart convos all sound markedly better than the story stuff.

I completed the Praxis/Theory questline and the boss at the end totally kicked my rear end; I probably should have equipped spike defense accessories on everyone. Putting 3 healers on Nia and one on Zeke worked well enough on the third try, though. Worth it, because now I have five levels of Nopon Wisdom, so I can finally open all those chests and doors on Argentum :toot:

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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

ajkalan posted:

I have to imagine that the weird cadences in the English voice acting were deliberate choices based on how characters' mouths were moving, because the Heart to Heart convos all sound markedly better than the story stuff.


I doubt that, because they completely ignored remotely matching the scene in Zeke's introduction. Which leaves me to believe it was one of those blind dubs, where most of it is reliant on the voice director. I'd be surprised if the VA's saw scenes half the time while recording.

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