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Shiki Dan posted:Except the only thing besides an Olympic gold medal that would qualify as a "World Championship" in Karate would be held by the World Karate Federation, which is the only organization of Karate that is not only international but also recognized by the Olympic Committee. All of these karate (and savate and tang soo do or whatever) organizations will have their own rules, of course. It's really hard to verify if someone fought full-contact or not, or if they did, whether they allowed knees and elbows and so on. Plenty of karate organizations have had rules that were basically there to prevent a Muay Thai guy or a boxer from just coming in and cleaning up against guys who had little or no full contact experience. Anyway, I don't know if Miller ever fought full contact. I expect all his championships are real, but "world kickboxing championship" in this context means that he won a championship tournament, for a karate league with a fairly wide presence, that was probably not full contact. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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The only legitimate karate championships are those sanctioned by the 100 groups claiming to govern Kyokushin.
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MassRafTer posted:The only legitimate karate championships are those sanctioned by the KUMITE and given to those who go through CHONG LI
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Outside of Chyna/Beth Phoenix/Kharma, LU's Aztec Warfare and Chikara's Infinite Gauntlet, are there any notable examples of Royal Rumble variations that have featured women?
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Gavok posted:Outside of Chyna/Beth Phoenix/Kharma, LU's Aztec Warfare and Chikara's Infinite Gauntlet, are there any notable examples of Royal Rumble variations that have featured women? A woman gets involved in the comedy battle royal WWA did on The Inception. It doesn't have set intervals for entrances but wrestlers and non wrestlers join the match at various points throughout it.
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Gavok posted:Outside of Chyna/Beth Phoenix/Kharma, LU's Aztec Warfare and Chikara's Infinite Gauntlet, are there any notable examples of Royal Rumble variations that have featured women?
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I scared a dog with a sweet chin music. If animals know its terror surely it's among the most devastating Re our earlier conversations
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So during tonight's Raw I once again heard the "So and so who has a body part specifically targeted is trying to get some blood flowing back into x body part..." And I just realized, after having heard this many a time...does this make any sense? The idea is whatever has been targeted is now in pain and hence attacking it will cause greater pain...how would blood flow help with that issue? Are they insinuating that all pain has a numbing effect?
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I guess the idea is that the damage they've taken has cut off circulation- especially if it's like a hold.
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Shiki Dan posted:Except the only thing besides an Olympic gold medal that would qualify as a "World Championship" in Karate would be held by the World Karate Federation, which is the only organization of Karate that is not only international but also recognized by the Olympic Committee. I remember reading over the WONs when Miller debuted and Meltzer did confirm that it wasn't bullshit. The tournaments were in the 80s and I'm not really surprised that a ton of records from those days aren't easily searchable. It was point karate. Halloween Jack posted:Dude, I did strip-mall dojo karate for like 8 years and this doesn't matter. Outside of K-1 and I suppose The Glory, kickboxing and "professional karate" championships have always been a mishmash of overlapping regional, state, national, and supposedly international titles. You mentioned ISKA like it's nothing but it's kind of a big deal. (If sport karate with foam-rubber gear is a big deal to you in the first place, that is.) There's only a handful of the many combat sports that exist which have a big enough economic base for there to have a clear standard as there is in Olympic judo and taekwondo and now in MMA. bingo
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I'm trying to compile a list of non-WWE versions of the Royal Rumble. Here's what I have: WCW: Countdown to Armageddon ECW: King of the Hill Battle Royal TNA: Gauntlet for the Gold Lucha Underground: Aztec Warfare Wrestling Society X: WSX Rumble Chikara: Countdown Showdown, Infinite Gauntlet Whatever that 108-Man New Years Royal Rumble from BJW/K-Dojo/DDT was called. Anything else of note? Did Ring of Honor ever do a variation of the Rumble?
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Gavok posted:I'm trying to compile a list of non-WWE versions of the Royal Rumble. Here's what I have: ROH has done the Honor Rumble a few times and NJPW has the Rumble on the WK preshow.
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ICW here in the UK does one as well, with the winner getting a MITB/G1 style briefcase for a title shot.
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Gavok posted:I'm trying to compile a list of non-WWE versions of the Royal Rumble. Here's what I have: Wouldn't the WCW one be World War 3?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wouldn't the WCW one be World War 3? No, WW3 is a more normal battle royal with everyone in from the start. The whole innovation of the Royal Rumble is the staggered entrances.
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DDT usually does a prelim comedy royal rumble on their big Peter Pan show, think it's usually for their 24/7 belt
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I’ve been watching Wrestling With Wregret’s PPV reviews recently (not sure what the Goon consensus on him is, he reminds me of AVGN for wrestling so he’s alright in my book), and saw his review for Survivor Series 95, with the main event between Diesel and Bret Hart. He gave the match and show a good review, but it made me think about Kevin Nash a bit. When it comes to his Diesel run, I don’t know anything about him before he was a main eventer. How and when did he debut? Was he pretty much a big deal from the beginning? I only halfway keep up with wrestling but can kind of trace other big names from that period, including Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and the like. But with Diesel it seems to be Pre-Diesel era and then Diesel in the main event era.
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facebook jihad posted:I’ve been watching Wrestling With Wregret’s PPV reviews recently (not sure what the Goon consensus on him is, he reminds me of AVGN for wrestling so he’s alright in my book), and saw his review for Survivor Series 95, with the main event between Diesel and Bret Hart. He gave the match and show a good review, but it made me think about Kevin Nash a bit. He came in as Michaels' bodyguard in the early summer of 93 & within 18 months he'd held all 3 titles. Once he debuted there really wasn't a "pre-Diesel" period where he wasn't headed straight to the top of the promotion.
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we talkin pre-diesel kevin nash in here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKrr_VROsXU
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facebook jihad posted:I’ve been watching Wrestling With Wregret’s PPV reviews recently (not sure what the Goon consensus on him is, he reminds me of AVGN for wrestling so he’s alright in my book), and saw his review for Survivor Series 95, with the main event between Diesel and Bret Hart. He gave the match and show a good review, but it made me think about Kevin Nash a bit. I believe the consensus is somewhere between “He’s okay, but he’s no OSW!” and “Uh, who?” That said, I like Wrestling With Wregret. The dude is knowledgeable and earnest in his opinions, while still being entertaining. Plus, despite being in the business to some degree, he’s got a realistic view of how carny and ridiculous it can be.
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Oz, man. That's one I'll just never get.
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facebook jihad posted:I’ve been watching Wrestling With Wregret’s PPV reviews recently (not sure what the Goon consensus on him is, he reminds me of AVGN for wrestling so he’s alright in my book), and saw his review for Survivor Series 95, with the main event between Diesel and Bret Hart. He gave the match and show a good review, but it made me think about Kevin Nash a bit. Diesel was brought in as Shawn's bodyguard, but really didn't do anything of note in '93, going as far as being quickly eliminated in that year's Survivor Series. It wasn't until 94 that he got the mega push, with an impressive appearance in the Royal Rumble, then going on to win the I-C title, winning the Tag belts with Shawn (while as I-C champ) then winning the World belt in 8 seconds. The biggest problem with Diesel's run wasn't actually Nash's lack of ability or whatnot, what it came down to is Vince loves David vs Goliath storylines, which is a problem when your "David" is 7 feet tall. He wants a champion that can be looked at as a "Superhero" or "larger than life", but can also be booked as an underdog. I mean, when you look at Hogan's run, he would be always booked in matches against large guys. King Kong Bundy, Nikolai Volkoff, Andre the Giant, Kamala, Killer Khan, One Man Gang/Akeem, Earthquake, Big Boss Man. Other than Boss Man and Earthquake, none of the guys were great workers. And what's infuriating is some of Hogan's best and most memorable feuds were with the guys small than him, like Piper, Savage, and Orndorff (whose feud with Hogan drew 70,000 at The Big Event in Canada). Savage's first televised defense of the title was not against Ted DiBiase, but the One Man Gang. Warrior had a feud with Andre. The Undertaker had feuds with Yokozuna, The Berzerker, Nailz, Giant Gonzalez, Kamala. Vince's problem is it takes alot from him to won over by a smaller wrestler.
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It's basically what Pillman said about his football days. A small guy has to prove he can play, a big guy has to prove he can't.
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It's odd to me that Orndorff isn't better remembered by people who aren't hardcore wrestling nerds.
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facebook jihad posted:I’ve been watching Wrestling With Wregret’s PPV reviews recently (not sure what the Goon consensus on him is, he reminds me of AVGN for wrestling so he’s alright in my book), and saw his review for Survivor Series 95, with the main event between Diesel and Bret Hart. He gave the match and show a good review, but it made me think about Kevin Nash a bit. Wrestling with Wregret is ok, he's a bit too WWE focused these days for my taste
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Smoking Crow posted:Wrestling with Wregret is ok, he's a bit too WWE focused these days for my taste Kinda understandable since the focus is bad ideas
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Davros1 posted:The Undertaker had feuds with Yokozuna, The Berzerker, HUSS! HUSS! HUSS!
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Smoking Crow posted:Wrestling with Wregret is ok, he's a bit too WWE focused these days for my taste Yeah I rarely watch his reviews/commentary on the current stuff. But I showed my girlfriend his review of Hulk Rules and she thought it was hilarious even though she gives no fucks about wrestling in any form.
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facebook jihad posted:even though she gives no fucks about wrestling in any form. dump her rear end
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The Berzerker posted:HUSS! HUSS! HUSS! I always remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAjGhWl1EoA&t=2m0s Davros1 fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Davros1 posted:I always remembered this: Now that we have the internet the Berzerker reminds me of Raven telling hilarious coke stories about Nord and the Grappler from the Portland days
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Davros1 posted:I always remembered this: ...That, could have ended poorly.
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Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlwn_75NW_k
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I had a dream the other night that the WWE did old school raw 2.0 but didn’t bring back any old stars. Instead, they had current stars depict them. Who would y’all cast?
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Kane as Kane
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Dolph Ziggler as Duke Droese
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rusev as giant gonzales and aiden english as harvey whippleman
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Cene as Surfer Sting.
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This is kind of a meta question, but are there any good resources for learning about US professional wrestling before the 1990s and the blow-up of the Monday Night Wars and the Attitude era? As someone who grew up during that period, and with all the revisionist history put out by the WWE (promoting the Rockers without mentioning the influence of the Rock 'n' Roll Express, for instance), I really don't know that much about the old territories and separating fact and fiction. I've spent a lot of time lately listening to Cornette shoot interviews on YouTube, but I'd like to learn more.
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