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Night in the Woords:Grapplejack posted:Wait then what is the space cat? Buddha/God/the Super-Ego?
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Also I do want to say (NitW spoiler again) it really is just flat out wrong to assume the elder god stuff is what make Mae mentally ill. Her symptoms are pretty common of certain disorders and you also have to remember the dreams are a new thing from when she gets back to town (I think all of her dialogue indicates she hasn't had those dreams before then) and the incident that made her run back home happened far outside the influence of the town. It is extremely unlikely they are trying to say her mental illness is caused by the elder gods under her town. However, the game is emphasizing how the town being set in an old mind set prevents her from getting the help she needs
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I felt like so much of the Persona 4 stories amount to be Be Your True Self But Coincidentally That's What Society Wanted You To Be In The First Place and i don't like it very much anymore. Yukiko learns to like working at the inn. Yosuke learns to like working at Junes and living in town. Rise learns to like being an idol it seems to say that conforming is good actually as long as you work out all your anxieties about it, none of them rebel against a single thing. At least the Night in the Woods characters recognize they're unhappy and will only be happy on their terms Persona 4 is still a comforting game, I like it, maybe more than I should, but it's lost a lot of shine for me. and god the killer twist is so dumb, it's a very boring antagonist imo, the lamest Foil for a character I've seen Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 03:49
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glam rock hamhock posted:Also I do want to say (NitW spoiler again) it really is just flat out wrong to assume the elder god stuff is what make Mae mentally ill. today is the first i'm hearing of that theory and i'm gonna have to agree that it is a bad and wrong theory
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Grapplejack posted:Wait then what is the space cat? I always figured the Cat represented the uselessness of appealing to or relying on a higher power to extract you from your grief, because it really is all-seeing and all-knowing and thus doesn't care about you because, from its perspective, nothing matters. I thought it was really clever how it only speaks in the present-continuous tense; all of time and space is happening to it at once, and the only reason it even acknowledges Mae is because from its perspective the universe will end too quickly for it to stop giving a poo poo. Mae rejects its nihilism and the Black Goat's hunger because, from her perspective, things do matter, which is enough to get her through whatever little time she has in the world. The Sky Cat's conversation is probably my favorite gaming moment of the year and "the hole in the center of everything" is one of my all-time favorite metaphors, it's so good.
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yeah saying that the Black Goat caused Mae's mental illness is a really lovely take on mental illness and really flies in the face of everything the game has to say about marginalized people. Mae is a broken person because life makes broken people and life is a struggle, not because you slept too close to an elder god for twenty years
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Jan 6, 2018 03:52
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My theory is that Persona 3+4+5 were popular because they were dating sims and it turns out people like dating sims as long as you don't call them that.
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Expect My Mom posted:yeah saying that the Black Goat caused Mae's mental illness is a really lovely take on mental illness and really flies in the face of everything the game has to say about marginalized people. Mae is a broken person because life makes broken people and life is a struggle, not because you slept too close to an elder god for twenty years one might even say that life is... bizarre 
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Jan 6, 2018 03:53
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Raxivace posted:My theory is that Persona 3+4+5 were popular because they were dating sims and it turns out people like dating sims as long as you don't call them that. My theory is people like the games because they're really good
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Jan 6, 2018 03:54
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precision posted:one might even say that life is... bizarre
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Jan 6, 2018 03:55
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I like the games because they remind me of my youth as a Japanese teenager, always sacrificing myself to seal away gods of annihilation and being revived to compete in DANCE TOURNAMENTS.
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Jan 6, 2018 03:55
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i think it's probably true that the "life sim" aspects of Persona 3 and 4 were what made them popular because it sure as hell wasn't the deep, rewarding combat system
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Not sure what the price was on the steam sale, but chrono.gg has Wuppo special edition for $4.50 I played it this year after it was revealed as the best rated unknown game or whatever, by some kind of algorithm, and it was adorable and a lot of fun! Definitely worth that price 
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Raxivace posted:My theory is that Persona 3+4+5 were popular because they were dating sims and it turns out people like dating sims as long as you don't call them that. the dating was easily the one of the worst parts of persona 5
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Also the vast VAST majority of gamers don't give a poo poo if a games themes are problematic and in fact hate even the idea of thinking about things that way
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I must be misremembering then, I had thought during the conversation at the end the goat takes credit for it.
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Oxxidation posted:the dating was easily the one of the worst parts of persona 5
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Grapplejack posted:I must be misremembering then, I had thought during the conversation at the end the goat takes credit for it. we never even find out what the goat is saying because as far as mae can tell it's just babbling gibberish, mae accuses it of inflicting her recent bad dreams and poor sleep but that only went on for, like, a week also it turns out the dispossessed and aimless twentysomething literally cannot comprehend the temptations of the Capitalism God, get it, ya get it
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Expect My Mom posted:this is true cause you couldn't date the best characters in the game, yusuke, goro and ryuji Yuuki not your type emm 
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Oxxidation posted:the Black Goat is capitalism, and even if you don't think capitalism is actively malevolent, the game absolutely does lol now this game's appeal makes more sense.
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glam rock hamhock posted:Also the vast VAST majority of gamers don't give a poo poo if a games themes are problematic and in fact hate even the idea of thinking about things that way there’s a lot of spoilers for games I intend to play flying around so idk what the hell you are talking about specifically here but this statement is accurate, at least
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Let's veer away from spoiler chat. I got a metric fuckload of games during Steam/PSN sales and I'm looking at my library going 'I got nothing to play'. Why am I like this.
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I disagree with oxx's interpretation but that's mostly because I thought the game was more interesting as a character piece and the twist takes away from that imo. I still liked the game though.Edmond Dantes posted:Let's veer away from spoiler chat. Are you depressed? I get that sometimes. What you could try is putting a bunch of games that look interesting in a list and hit up an rng to pick one for you.
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precision posted:one might even say that life is... bizarre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY
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Is there a General JRPG thread, or a "Tales of" series thread It's been a long loving while since I played an JRPG, I picked Tales of Berseria just to see how it was like and I'm actually enjoying it, but a lot of the mechanics on it still confuse me and could use some help
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frajaq posted:Is there a General JRPG thread, or a "Tales of" series thread RPG Thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3353352 Tales of Threadia: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2936349
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FanaticalMilk posted:Outside of Tokyo proper, but my two favorite sites were: Thanks for the advice. I don’t ever really plan on staying out so late that trains wouldn’t run. My financial situation is okay but not loaded. I planned to have about 2000$ spending money with a little wiggle room. I’ve planned on doing some more touristy things through some websites where I can purchase some tour stuff and then for the other couple days I figured I would wander around and look for some cool places to eat/look around. Was just wondering if there was some places I needed to visit. I plan on going to Shibuya as I was never there before.
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Raxivace posted:RPG Thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3353352 thanks
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Raxivace posted:My theory is that Persona 3+4+5 were popular because they were dating sims and it turns out people like dating sims as long as you don't call them that. They're accessible JRPGs based on good core systems (SMTs turn system and fusion) stapled to an accessible simulation game which was itself probably novel for a lot of people.
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https://twitter.com/Swery65/status/949440042891591680 CAPTURE HIM
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the life is strange ending sucks because the moral basically just boils down to "you have to let your girlfriend die max" but chloe is like one of the three characters who are actually interesting and likable so why would i pick the town also persona 4 is dumb because the resolution to kanji potentially being gay is everyone saying "well i guess he isn't totally gay actually, so it's fine" and then yosuke constantly screams about how gay people scare him in every scene he's in with kanji for the rest of time. i love the music and art stuff and general atmosphere for persona 4 but goddamn does the writing not hold up
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if you chose the [ Life Is Strange Spoilers ] Bury Your Gays ending I don't wanna loving know you
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Grapplejack posted:Are you depressed? I get that sometimes. What you could try is putting a bunch of games that look interesting in a list and hit up an rng to pick one for you. Probably, but right now I'm blaming the heat (it's summer over here, which means 35C and 95% humidity) for not being able to focus on a game. Maybe I should start another LP...
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Expect My Mom posted:if you chose the [ Life Is Strange Spoilers ] Bury Your Gays ending I don't wanna loving know you stories aren't special just because they have lesbians
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i've been playing through dead rising since i picked it up last year on steam and i haven't done a full playthrough in uh. holy poo poo like eight years. anyway it's goodOxxidation posted:stories aren't special just because they have lesbians counterpoint: having a story focus around a gay relationship that's the most interesting part of the story but going with the moral of actually you had to let go and let your girlfriend die the whole time is loving stupid
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The Colonel posted:the life is strange ending sucks because the moral basically just boils down to "you have to let your girlfriend die max" but chloe is like one of the three characters who are actually interesting and likable so why would i pick the town Kanji realizes that gender roles are meaningless and it's up to him to decide what masculinity means to him, completing his arc. His entire concept of manhood is warped by TV cliches -- he adopts a biker motif because tough guys are bikers, even though he's actually fighting against the bikers. He projects his insecurities as being gay because he's a teenager and he's afraid and uncertain of his sexuality, on top of insecure about his "feminine" hobbies. That's the be-all, end-all of it. Yosuke makes some dumb gay panic jokes from time to time (because he too is an insecure teenager), but Kanji's whole "issue" has far less to do with sexuality and more to do with gender identity. He is, in fact, an inverse Naoto, and they are both grappling with the same issue from two differing perspectives. 8-Bit Scholar fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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The Black Stones posted:Thanks for the advice. you can eat, go the places you think are cool, and buy all the stupid nerd poo poo you want on $2000 for one week. unless said "stupid nerd poo poo" includes idk ultra rare items like high-demand turbo grafx games or mint copy of a first-print okami. use tabelog to search for food; the mobile version kinda sucks though so if you have a laptop to keep at the hotel, i'd plan ahead with that.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Kanji realizes that gender roles are meaningless and it's up to him to decide what masculinity means to him, completing his arc. His entire concept of manhood is warped by cliches -- he adopts a biker motif because tough guys are bikers, even though he's actually fighting against the bikers. He projects his insecurities as being gay because he's a teenager and he's afraid and uncertain of his sexuality, on top of insecure about his "feminine" hobbies. That's the be-all, end-all of it. Yosuke makes some dumb gay panic jokes from time to time, but Kanji's whole "issue" has far less to do with sexuality and more to do with gender identity. He is, in fact, an inverse Naoto, and they are both grappling with the same issue from two differing perspectives. i don't loving care what the deep resolution to kanji's arc is when his every interaction with yosuke is still gay panic jokes and they do nothing to resolve the fact that yosuke's entire relationship with kanji is screaming about being scared of the gays. no matter what they're going for with kanji that poo poo loving cheapens it
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The Colonel posted:i've been playing through dead rising since i picked it up last year on steam and i haven't done a full playthrough in uh. holy poo poo like eight years. anyway it's good the story is not remotely focused around the gay relationship, is the thing. the gay part isn't even mandatory! life is strange kicks off with max caulfield, who is literally named after one of the most famous developmentally arrested characters in fiction, witnessing a horrible tragedy that stems in large part from her dragging her feet and refusing to reach out to someone she cared for, and the rest of the game goes on to show that one way or another, the consequences and regrets that stemmed from her mistake can never be fully undone or taken back the fact that two girls might kiss doesn't change the calculus of this story one jot
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