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BiggerBoat posted:Since we're talking about animation, King of the Hill and Beavis and Butthead still hold up really well. Mike Judge is great. South Park won't because they got lazy and started doing current events as a way to keep the money coming in with minimal effort. No TV show in history boasts about being able to 'deliver more topical TV shows' without getting an immediate bump in their episode count because now the main choking point is the writing.
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purple death ray posted:one of us is living in bizarro world because IMO this episode ages better every single election year I was mostly thinking about how I couldn't imagine Trump and Clinton being stuck in an alien craft and then saying "this partisanship is tearing our country apart". I do agree that "Abortions for all! Very well, abortion for none! Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!" and slaving under the yoke of the oppressor to build a weapon to destroy some other planet nobody's heard about are evergreen, though.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:South Park won't because they got lazy and started doing current events as a way to keep the money coming in with minimal effort. No TV show in history boasts about being able to 'deliver more topical TV shows' without getting an immediate bump in their episode count because now the main choking point is the writing. I was in high school when SP hit and got super huge the first few seasons. Now I go back when it might be on late night syndication or something, and boy is it obvious that the main appeal at the time was that us edgelord teens like to laugh at the sex and poop jokes that absolutely aren't funny at all to a grownup. And then of course it transitioned to what you're talking about around the time the movie came out, where it turned into instead trying to keep up with pop culture, which it did amazingly well (remember the episode where they riffed on the whole taking Elian Gonzales from his relatives at gunpoint by the FBI like, less than a day after it actually happened?) but at the same time makes like half their episodes at least super duper dated now.
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Choco1980 posted:I was in high school when SP hit and got super huge the first few seasons. Now I go back when it might be on late night syndication or something, and boy is it obvious that the main appeal at the time was that us edgelord teens like to laugh at the sex and poop jokes that absolutely aren't funny at all to a grownup. And then of course it transitioned to what you're talking about around the time the movie came out, where it turned into instead trying to keep up with pop culture, which it did amazingly well (remember the episode where they riffed on the whole taking Elian Gonzales from his relatives at gunpoint by the FBI like, less than a day after it actually happened?) but at the same time makes like half their episodes at least super duper dated now. I spent 8 hours downloading the South Park Christmas special on New Years Eve over dialup and then everyone watched it on my laptop at the party that night. It was glorious. Talking poop!
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Krispy Wafer posted:Everything up through the 1970's was produced on film and even crappy film can generally be blown up/scanned with varying degrees of quality. For example, I think Sam Rami's first film ever was shot on 16mm and then blown up to 35mm. It looked terrible, but the fact that was even possible is a good indicator of film's versatility. They considred shooting it on Super-8 and blowing it up but when they tested it the grain got so big that it looked like Bruce Campbell was stuck in a constant hailstorm.
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FreudianSlippers posted:They considred shooting it on Super-8 and blowing it up but when they tested it the grain got so big that it looked like Bruce Campbell was stuck in a constant hailstorm. Yeah, I couldn't remember just how bad the film stock was so I gave them benefit of the doubt with 16mm.
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16mm was what the original Evil Dead was shot on, and it honestly looks fantastic. 16mm is good film stock.
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Twitch posted:I know this sentiment has been said before, but I wish my life was as awesome as Al Bundy's. Married with Children is now a science fiction show about a man who supports two kids, his wife, a dog and his mortgage on a shoe salesmans salary.
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There are a couple of shots that are a bit soft when seen on the properly big screen and in HD but I think those are them now pulling focus properly rather than anything to do with the film. Evil Dead might be my favorite film ever. The scene where Bruce is alone in the cabin and the camera just starts going crazy is amazing.
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BiggerBoat posted:Since we're talking about animation, King of the Hill and Beavis and Butthead still hold up really well. Mike Judge is great. Even before it became nothing but topical humor, South Park seemed to really rely on "random" pop culture references that were funny to 14 year old me, but are about as funny as a Newgrounds cartoon now. Beavis and Butt-Head is still loving hilarious 20+ years later because it's more a loving parody of youth culture.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Everything up through the 1970's was produced on film and even crappy film can generally be blown up/scanned with varying degrees of quality. For example, I think Sam Rami's first film ever was shot on 16mm and then blown up to 35mm. It looked terrible, but the fact that was even possible is a good indicator of film's versatility. There was a time where some shows would shoot on film for outdoor scenes (largely because the cameras were more portable) and video for indoor work. It's really noticeable on some old British shows like Doctor Who and is the basis of this Monty Python sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-kfRREA8M
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Twitch posted:Even before it became nothing but topical humor, South Park seemed to really rely on "random" pop culture references that were funny to 14 year old me, but are about as funny as a Newgrounds cartoon now. Beavis and Butt-Head is still loving hilarious 20+ years later because it's more a loving parody of youth culture. Have they released Beavis and Butthead with the compete music videos yet? Or should we expect that to just remain in hell forever?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:There was a time where some shows would shoot on film for outdoor scenes (largely because the cameras were more portable) and video for indoor work. It's really noticeable on some old British shows like Doctor Who and is the basis of this Monty Python sketch
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CommonShore posted:Have they released Beavis and Butthead with the compete music videos yet? Or should we expect that to just remain in hell forever? Pretty much nothing from MTV gets released anywhere unedited because it's a rights nightmare.
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CommonShore posted:Have they released Beavis and Butthead with the compete music videos yet? Or should we expect that to just remain in hell forever? There is no way that will ever happen. The cost to license all the music is around $Texas so unless some lottery winner or billionaire decide they want to personally pay off every licensing fee, you'll only ever see a "real" collection in the form of VHS-ripped files floating around on illegal fileshare sites, with the added bonus of many in .mov or .rm format. Not to mention even if the series ever got a proper release, we'd probably still never see a number of the banned episodes. I remember watching back when the show was first run, but i had completely forgotten about the moment where Butt-head caves in a young Mexican boy's head with a baseball bat to steal his fireworks. That was a bit uhhhhhh  which was followed shortly by B&B swallowing condoms full of drugs which then burst inside their stomachs. Early B&B was some crazy poo poo
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Tiggum posted:I watch this every time someone posts it, hoping that this time I'll be able to tell what the supposedly incredibly obvious difference is, and I never can. It's more obvious here. This was shot in 1971. Funnily, it was reshoot of a black and white episode because of an ITV color technicians' strike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9exQpkGqA
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It's more obvious here. This was shot in 1971. Funnily, it was reshoot of a black and white episode because of an ITV color technicians' strike. I still have no idea what I'm supposed to be seeing.
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Look at things like: -The colors -The texture -Everything else
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CommonShore posted:Have they released Beavis and Butthead with the compete music videos yet? Or should we expect that to just remain in hell forever? If, in a corporate dystopian future where all entertainment IP has been consolidated into the possession of one megaconglomerate, the subcitizens might find brief respite from their crushing existences by spending their company scrip on time in the clean-air pods, or watching completely intact episodes of Beavis and Butthead.
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Lighting is big, but mostly in how its used or setup. A sitcom has three video recorders filming at the same time so they all need uniform light for scene cuts. A film camera is usually used alone so all you have to do is light one scene which means you can make it more dramatic. But there's also a better range of colors in film. Tape to me always seems too yellow. Resolution isn't as good, but that could be because we're watching 480i content upscaled to high definition. I don't recall how good or bad it looked back in the 80's on a 19 inch TV.
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I read somewhere that the X-Files was shot on film but transferred to video for broadcast. Which meant they had to redo most of the CGI when they remastered it for Blu-Ray because those shots were all done after the transfer and they were of course using the original films as a base. This might be complete bullshit but it also might be the truth and any info to to contrary is part of the conspiracy.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I read somewhere that the X-Files was shot on film but transferred to video for broadcast. Which meant they had to redo most of the CGI when they remastered it for Blu-Ray because those shots were all done after the transfer and they were of course using the original films as a base. Yes and the same was true re: the effects for Star Trek: TNG too I believe.
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Last Chance posted:Yes and the same was true re: the effects for Star Trek: TNG too I believe. From what i've been able to find, shoot on film, edit on video was pretty standard, and was a major reason why the TNG HD Remaster was so expensive, and the lower-than-expected sales of that are why HD remasters of DS9 and Voyager are very unlikely to happen. That, and the latter two shows made extensive use of CGI effects that were only rendered for Standard Definition.
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CommonShore posted:Have they released Beavis and Butthead with the compete music videos yet? Or should we expect that to just remain in hell forever? The most recent DVD release claims to have music videos, but it's also said "episodes hand picked by Mike Judge", so it's probably nowhere near complete. Some pirates made DVD ISOs with all of the episodes and videos intact, not sure how much I'm allowed to talk about that here, though.
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I don't know about B&B but there is absolutely a Daria Restoration Project aimed at putting all the proper music back in the show. I'd assume B&B has something similar. Like Twitch said, it's all  though.
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Twitch posted:The most recent DVD release claims to have music videos, but it's also said "episodes hand picked by Mike Judge", so it's probably nowhere near complete. TheKennedys posted:I don't know about B&B but there is absolutely a Daria Restoration Project aimed at putting all the proper music back in the show. I'd assume B&B has something similar. Like Twitch said, it's all Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people in the gray area of the law doing that with a variety of shows. It's quite neat because on one level it's illegal but on the other more respectful to the material than freaking Criterion would be for absolutely no budget. Fanbases are awesome sometimes, when they're not being assholes.
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In Bring It On, a cis cheerleader asks a sexually confused high school boy if he “speaks fag”
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oldpainless posted:In Bring It On, a cis cheerleader asks a sexually confused high school boy if he “speaks fag” I mean, if she's meant to be an unlikable character, that's not as big of deal as it could be, since antagonists being bigots is something that's gonna be around long after we all die It's more lazy than problematic is what I'm saying, unless said character is supposed to be a decent person. I'm familiar with Bring it On (I recently found out there's like, 3 direct to video sequels and they all made money) but haven't seen it, so I don't actually know.
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Movie one: They Call Me Mister Tibbs! has a bit where Virgil Tibbs's wife tells him his son has hit his sister and she wants him to straighten him out, and Tibbs's response is basically, "Well, maybe she shouldn't have provoked him." Then he relents and goes to talk to his son, and almost immediately starts smacking him in the face and he's saying, "You promise not to hit your sister again or I'll keep hitting you, boy." Then he catches his son smoking, takes him to his room, gives him a joint and says, "If you're gonna smoke, do it right," but I'm not sure if that's aged badly or aged well or what.
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South Park also doesn't age well for me cuz as a kid that whole "the truth is in the middle! Both sides r dumb and we're apolitical man!!" mask was a pill I was dumb enough to swallow whereas now it's easy seeing them pushing their corny rear end ideology and we've got terms like "South Park Republican". The idea that there was no difference between a Kerry victory and Bush reelection also aged poorly but that may have been immediate on launch (a giant douche is still a tool with a purpose, even if it's oversized...a turd sandwich is useless & toxic...)
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I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. SVU is obviously a really messed up show in subject matter, but it's pretty pro-victim generally, with Mariska Hargitay becoming a real life activist for abuse victims, Criminal Intent has the irritating/compelling "detective who is troubled but brilliant" thing but that's a trope that will take a while to go away. Unrelated, but it's kind of funny how many people who were on Oz ended up as regulars on Law and Order or one of the spinoffs.
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Original L&O started in 89 which was still in the bad days of NYC and crime. So a lot of early episode focus on the city being a shithole with drugs everywhere and all sorts of slums.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. SVU is obviously a really messed up show in subject matter, but it's pretty pro-victim generally, with Mariska Hargitay becoming a real life activist for abuse victims, Criminal Intent has the irritating/compelling "detective who is troubled but brilliant" thing but that's a trope that will take a while to go away. A lot of L&O was ripped from the headlines, but that doesn't necessarily age it; there's plenty of stuff in shows that do that which are alluding to then-current events, but if you're ignorant of what the events it's referencing are, it probably won't seem dated. There are episodes of every Law & Order that basically adapt high-profile crimes, but if you're not knowledgeable about said crimes, they might not feel like they've aged poorly.
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muscles like this! posted:Original L&O started in 89 which was still in the bad days of NYC and crime. So a lot of early episode focus on the city being a shithole with drugs everywhere and all sorts of slums. Right, I guess I'm just wondering if there's an episode I'm missing where like, Briscoe leans on a dude because he's got info, but also is gay and that bothers Lenny, or something else that would make people go these days
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd be curious to see if there's any Law and Order (the original show) eps that age poorly. SVU is obviously a really messed up show in subject matter, but it's pretty pro-victim generally, with Mariska Hargitay becoming a real life activist for abuse victims, Criminal Intent has the irritating/compelling "detective who is troubled but brilliant" thing but that's a trope that will take a while to go away. At least Criminal Intent was less “troubled but brilliant” and more “loving insane but brilliant”. And it didn’t really show any of his home life, so instead of dumb drama plots that age badly it’s a lot of D’onfrio going apeshit while everyone around him is like
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Ugly In The Morning posted:At least Criminal Intent was less “troubled but brilliant” and more “loving insane but brilliant”. And it didn’t really show any of his home life, so instead of dumb drama plots that age badly it’s a lot of D’onfrio going apeshit while everyone around him is like That's a fair point. From what I remember, Vincent D' Onofrio, while a fine actor, actually had a couple breakdowns on set, and one was because he was flipping his poo poo because Bush got re-elected
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Right, I guess I'm just wondering if there's an episode I'm missing where like, Briscoe leans on a dude because he's got info, but also is gay and that bothers Lenny, or something else that would make people go There's an early episode about AIDS victims getting killed and it turns out it was a guy doing assisted suicides.The episode ends with Stone not bothering to prosecute the guy because he reveals that he has AIDS and they don't think he'll live long enough to go to prison. When it airs they put a disclaimer at the end saying that the info in the episode is totally out of date.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Right, I guess I'm just wondering if there's an episode I'm missing where like, Briscoe leans on a dude because he's got info, but also is gay and that bothers Lenny, or something else that would make people go The detectives of Law and Order vanilla were actually pretty progressive even if they might say something that might not pass now. In fact Logan's final act that gets him sent to Staten Island is punching a bigoted politician.
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Gaunab posted:The detectives of Law and Order vanilla were actually pretty progressive even if they might say something that might not pass now. In fact Logan's final act that gets him sent to Staten Island is punching a bigoted politician. I remember that! Good episode.
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